Except for the Syrians exaggerated role in storming the military fortress of Tel Al Zaatar, most are well established and known facts.I posted this not for any polemique purpose . But to try to understand what happened back then and why did this happened.
Most of us werent born back then so no one need to feel guilty.. but our duty to get the lessons from it..and we should understand what happened and never let it happen again.
This documentary reveal many interesting details unknown before.
. The syrian role in this massacre .
. The fact that kataeb wasnt the part that triggered the massacre .
. The role of some palestinian factions pro syria..
. The syrian - israeli background accord.
Lets talk also about damour ..Except for the Syrians exaggerated role in storming the military fortress of Tel Al Zaatar, most are well established and known facts.
Syrian artillery may have occasionally shelled the camp/fortress during the nearly two months long fighting, but in no way did that have any decisive impact on the battle's outcome. Also everyone knew Sa3ika was Syrian moukhabarat disguised as one of the many so called Palestinian liberation gangs. They also were the gang who spearheaded the Damour massacre.
In the video, Sa3ikas operative chief in Tal el Zaatar at the time claims neither the Lebanese Front nor the whole Lebanon could have stepped one millimeter inside Tall el Zaater had it not been for the Syrian military support. That's pure bullsh!t but which also indirectly describes the kind of heavy military buildup the bastards had managed to achieve in that "refugee camp" located at the heart of Lebanon, 200 km away from Israel's borders.
but never blame the snake for being so snaky, blame the lunatics who invite it to their bed.
its easy to Criticize the events , but when the Fatah and Sa3ika guys were wrecking havoc on their neighbourhoods, busting into the Matn Internal security headquarters to free their criminals and bashing a traffic policeman who didn't listen to their car sirens and let them through etc.. you realise that the left have a case to answer for. They used their political convictions to justify their own genocides and critic the reaction of the victims.most of the information in the documentary about the events leading to that battle are wrong or inaccurate
this is the reason why tall el za3tar had to go, without mentioning the killing of local civilians in that phase, just from a strategic perspective.
palestinians used the tal zaatar camp as a starting base to cut all the main roads around the camp, there was also attempts to connect to pro palestinian forces in the region, from karantina to nab3a to saloume to dekwane to tal el za3tar, there was only a little stretch left for peopel to be able to get eastern beirut from the region of metn, and that was between dekawneh and salomi, which was less than 1 km wide.
in other words eastern beirut was under siege and it was risking being cut from the other Christian areas.
the palestinians were very well prepared and very well trained for the fight. whereas from the other side people were under equipped, often times fighting with hunting guns, so it took a while to prepare for that battle, it was the first real battle for most of the Christian parties, they were simply attacking better trained, better equipped and better positioned militias.
on the local level in the region, the people did it because the palestinians committed all kinds of atrocities against civilians, and the locals had to quickly organize themselves efficiently enough to provide an adequate defense line to protect themselves and their families. on the strategic level however, it was about more than just that, it was to prevent eastern beirut from falling.
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the map i have attached explains the situation, the black circles indicate the areas where the palestinians and allies were positioned (tal el zaatar, nabaa, quarantina), and the red circles indicates the objective they were actually trying to occupy, had they been able to accomplish these objectives and join their positions all of eastern beirut would have fallen.
to note, the heavy grunt of the fighting was done by the Lebanese Army under GMA (Ra3d), the Tigers from Ahrar, the locals people of the area who showed exceptional courage, as to the phalanges, they were mostly in the way..
as long as the Lebanese are unable to agree on a unified version of the events, if only to write them down in our history, it is an indication that we are still in deep trouble and have not made our peace as a people with the civil war. the events of tal el zaatar are just another chapter in that book of disagreements, the honest truth remains with the inhabitants of the region from both sides.its easy to Criticize the events , but when the Fatah and Sa3ika guys were wrecking havoc on their neighbourhoods, busting into the Matn Internal security headquarters to free their criminals and bashing a traffic policeman who didn't listen to their car sirens and let them through etc.. you realise that the left have a case to answer for. They used their political convictions to justify their own genocides and critic the reaction of the victims.
as long as the Lebanese are unable to agree on a unified version of the events, if only to write them down in our history, it is an indication that we are still in deep trouble and have not made our peace as a people with the civil war. the events of tal el zaatar are just another chapter in that book of disagreements, the honest truth remains with the inhabitants of the region from both sides.
the reality of the matter however in something that @My Moria Moon already picked up, one of the palestinian fighters from that era described what kind of a fortress tal el zaatar was. turning the camp into a fortress was not done overnight, it took many years of preparation. this lone is enough evidence for a pre-planned and meditated aggression.
most people however do not care much about reality and truth, it is rather more about repeating certain mantras to them.
Ici c’est un piège mon ami de la part de Putin.1st this is off topic .
Second , as much as erdogan act is despisable..and i as secular cannot but condemn ..
But , the president of the biggest orthodox country in the world ( Russia ) said that is an internal turkish matter..
Now one could put it into its real dimension,,the inter religious context ..
The issue is completely different regarding the palestinian issue .. I dont agree with the palestinian president position.. But i still support the palestinian people struggle for peace..
My objective is not accusing .but understanding and learn lessons from our past..Ici c’est un piège mon ami de la part de Putin.
Toutes les autorités impériales couvent les unes les autres comme les corrompus de toutes les sectes et les parties au Liban.
Mais vraiment il va être un prétexte pour les sionistes.
je ne suis pas d’accord avec toi que c’est hors sujet.
Les palestiniens ont l’été bien accueillis par la majorité des libanais. Nous sommes une famille chrétienne et mon père était un libéral national (Ahrar). Il avait beaucoup d’amis palestiniens, j’avais Six ans en 1976 et je me souviens que j’ai même dormi chez ses amis.
Fatmeh jouait avec mes sœurs et moi avec Hassan wa Houssayn and 3idnane. Nous mangions et nous s’amusions ensemble et tal el zaatar was happening in same time and damour. Nothing changed our ties. Till Israeli invasion.
we don’t talk religion we live peacefully people in Lebanon were killing each other and we were living together.
To make the story short no one of us insulted the religion of other or nationality. The war against Palestinians were jaysh el sunna.
In that way so many of us will never be beside the laïc PLO Mahmoud Abbas anymore.
Every thing is linked to history I think.