Terbol landfill crisis

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Last night Mohamad Kamil Mrad who donated the land was ambushed on his way back home


Kamil Mrad statement

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    mohammad kamil murad??? chou 2osto 7eda?? fe pics eno houwe ma3 SF.
     
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    chou l 2ossa??
    Seems the story is going into 2 parallel and most probably connected directions

    1 - Business/Mafia related
    someone is unhappy with the land donation as they were planing (and still) to be monopolizing the dump in another location nearby

    2 - Sectarian
    The landfill will be accepting garbage from Zgharta, Koura, Bsharri as well as Menie and Doniyeh
    people were demonstrating 2 days ago at the landfill and attacking trucks loaded with trash shouting Allah Akbar against any 'Christian' garbage dumped in Terbol

    Hariri who supported the landfill at first, pulled out at the last second and now he's against it


    that's all i know
     
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    Seems the story is going into 2 parallel and most probably connected directions

    1 - Business/Mafia related
    someone is unhappy with the land donation as they were planing (and still) to be monopolizing the dump in another location nearby

    2 - Sectarian
    The landfill will be accepting garbage from Zgharta, Koura, Bsharri as well as Menie and Doniyeh
    people were demonstrating 2 days ago at the landfill and attacking trucks loaded with trash shouting Allah Akbar against any 'Christian' garbage dumped in Terbol

    Hariri who supported the landfill at first, pulled out at the last second and now he's against it


    that's all i know
    each governate should be taking care of its own garbage.
     
    LForever

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    طيب تلوث المياه الجوفية من مسؤول عنها؟ إنو معئول بيعملو مطمر زباله ع ضهر الجبل؟ مسخرة
     
    O Brother

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    Are they talking about jabal Turbol near Tripoli?

    Jabal Turbol is such a nice place with volcanic rocks and amazing view etc!!!
    ye3ni for Trablos it would be the equivalent for Jouniyeh making an area near or around Harisa a dump place!

    3a asas we don't have enough of shity landfills in that area! Nahr Abu Ali got already a huge dump!

    It is crazy how they choose dump areas in this .. country.. they take the most beautiful places and turn them into dumps!
     
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    Dreaming in Red

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    The crisis started months ago when Adweh landfill was closed after jraissati visited it. These northern areas slowly got filled with trash especially zgharta and ehden which is at its peak of tourism and was hurt bad. The minister didnt come up with any solution until the MPs started to threaten to escalate if he keeps neglecting the area. Every time there was a consensus on an area, the minister would say that it doesnt meet the standards or that the people dont want it. When he kept playing around and finding no real solution, the MPs escalated further and so he said he found a landfill in Fouwar ( muslim area in zgharta). Zgharta MPs along with others from the caza decided that they should have trash from dinniyeh too not only zgharta and koura and bcharre in that landfill so that it doesnt turn sectarian. Some local pressure stopped the landfill anyway ( mostly hariri and mikati supporters), and again jraissati said the only other area available is in Terbol ( also muslim area). Mrad, having good relations with Frangieh, who is directly targeted by this trash crisis because of the uproar that it is causing in zgharta city decided to help and the government decided that it meets the standards and it can be used and the guy didnt even care about the money, he just wanted to find a fast solution to help, and when the government decided on that area, everything seemed ok. Hariri, Mikati and others standing behind some businessmen who ironically had other lands nearby that they wanted to lend for huge sums refused, and for the past days the most sectarian campaign has happened in that area reminiscent of the civil war. We're talking about really low standards of secterian hate. Ofcourse some innocent people might not want a landfill there, but the government decided there, not Mrad or anybody. There were many areas in "christian" lands that the minister deemed unsuitable. Besides its their trash and donniyeh trash too.
    But the trash mafia has really exceeded any mafia that has ever taken over. Ya3neh Motor Mafia doesnt even scratch the dirtiness that the ascending trash mafia possess. To make some money, they are willing to create civil war in lebanon.
     
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    the guy didnt even care about the money, he just wanted to find a fast solution to help
    So this "nice guy" just volunteered to turn his land into a waste dump because he wants a "solution" you say?

    hhhmmm!!
     
    O Brother

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    Seems the story is going into 2 parallel and most probably connected directions

    1 - Business/Mafia related
    someone is unhappy with the land donation as they were planing (and still) to be monopolizing the dump in another location nearby

    2 - Sectarian
    The landfill will be accepting garbage from Zgharta, Koura, Bsharri as well as Menie and Doniyeh
    people were demonstrating 2 days ago at the landfill and attacking trucks loaded with trash shouting Allah Akbar against any 'Christian' garbage dumped in Terbol

    Hariri who supported the landfill at first, pulled out at the last second and now he's against it


    that's all i know
    This minister of trash is so arrogant where is he from? w la min tabe3?
     
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    I know the whole country is basically a dump but it would be interesting to see a detailed map of all the landfills in the country..
     
    Dreaming in Red

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    So this "nice guy" just volunteered to turn his land into a waste dump because he wants a "solution" you say?

    hhhmmm!!
    the crisis has been happening for months. It was creating havoc in zgharta city and its surroundings. No one, neither Mrad or anyone were involved in any solution, and there were lands near "christian" areas being offered by the zgharta municipality with agreement with many individuals to end the crisis. The minister was refusing. It was basically FPM trying to corner Zgharta and thus Frangieh. There is a lot to do with that crisis for the past months. When Frangieh and co threatened to escalate more and more, Jraissati started to work to solve the crisis but only on his terms. He chose the lands in fouwar and then terbol, and Frangieh agreed because he wanted the crisis to get over; but it turned sectarian to the bone. I mean after a few days of agreeing on the terbol land, he gets shot ? How low is that ? The guy offered the cheapest and fastest solution. Zgharta municipality ma sad2et inno there was a solution so they just went on with it. The fact that Mrad doesn't want any money for a temporary period even made it a more suitable place. Now whether the place is not suitable, that is the minister's work. He said it is the most suitable of all locations, so he campaigned for this place, and on the other hand Frangieh wanted any place to just dump the trash and get it over with because its hurting him in Zgharta. Ya3neh it started with FPM trying to score political points over Frangieh's municipality in zgharta, and ended in Hariri and co with the most sectarian campaign since 2005, and even reminiscent of the civil war simply to make some cash.
     
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    the crisis has been happening for months. It was creating havoc in zgharta city and its surroundings. No one, neither Mrad or anyone were involved in any solution, and there were lands near "christian" areas being offered by the zgharta municipality with agreement with many individuals to end the crisis. The minister was refusing. It was basically FPM trying to corner Zgharta and thus Frangieh. There is a lot to do with that crisis for the past months. When Frangieh and co threatened to escalate more and more, Jraissati started to work to solve the crisis but only on his terms. He chose the lands in fouwar and then terbol, and Frangieh agreed because he wanted the crisis to get over; but it turned sectarian to the bone. I mean after a few days of agreeing on the terbol land, he gets shot ? How low is that ? The guy offered the cheapest and fastest solution. Zgharta municipality ma sad2et inno there was a solution so they just went on with it. The fact that Mrad doesn't want any money for a temporary period even made it a more suitable place. Now whether the place is not suitable, that is the minister's work. He said it is the most suitable of all locations, so he campaigned for this place, and on the other hand Frangieh wanted any place to just dump the trash and get it over with because its hurting him in Zgharta. Ya3neh it started with FPM trying to score political points over Frangieh's municipality in zgharta, and ended in Hariri and co with the most sectarian campaign since 2005, and even reminiscent of the civil war simply to make some cash.
    Before we get into any conclusions concerning FPM trying to corner Zgharta

    Where does Michel Mouawad fall into all this ?
    What was his stance towards the originally planned Zgharta landfill ?
     
    Dreaming in Red

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    Before we get into any conclusions concerning FPM trying to corner Zgharta

    Where does Michel Mouawad fall into all this ?
    What was his stance towards the originally planned Zgharta landfill ?
    He was totally in compliance with FPM at first and many popular protests that happened against many proposed landfills were supported by him ( but mostly indirectly) because months ago his members quit the municipality of zgharta so he has been trying to score political points ever since against the municipality. But he has taken a very low profile from the start of the crisis and made some meetings here and there, but mostly doodling here and there to keep the uproar against the municipality at its highest without actually taking any serious measures. When Jraissati started to actually act after Frangieh threatened to escalate and called it a political crisis, there was more harmony between all sides Frangieh/Mouawad/Jraissati especially that the crisis is all over Zgharta and all people are being affected and there are diseases spreading. So there was coordination with Frangieh with regard the fact that the landfill has to take trash from donniyeh alongside zgharta and bcharre in order to keep secterian tensions low. When the landfill was finally agreed in Terbol, Mouawad supporters started to raise banners all over zgharta thanking him for saving the city. So he switched slowly from low profile to bigger exposure leading to the decision of the terbol landfill. Now after the crisis escalated and there is sectarian violence, he is back taking low profile and waiting to see how to play things for his favour with Frangieh/Mrad and to an extent Jraissati at the forefront.
     
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    He was totally in compliance with FPM at first and many popular protests that happened against many proposed landfills were supported by him ( but mostly indirectly) because months ago his members quit the municipality of zgharta so he has been trying to score political points ever since against the municipality. But he has taken a very low profile from the start of the crisis and made some meetings here and there, but mostly doodling here and there to keep the uproar against the municipality at its highest without actually taking any serious measures. When Jraissati started to actually act after Frangieh threatened to escalate and called it a political crisis, there was more harmony between all sides Frangieh/Mouawad/Jraissati especially that the crisis is all over Zgharta and all people are being affected and there are diseases spreading. So there was coordination with Frangieh with regard the fact that the landfill has to take trash from donniyeh alongside zgharta and bcharre in order to keep secterian tensions low. When the landfill was finally agreed in Terbol, Mouawad supporters started to raise banners all over zgharta thanking him for saving the city. So he switched slowly from low profile to bigger exposure leading to the decision of the terbol landfill. Now after the crisis escalated and there is sectarian violence, he is back taking low profile and waiting to see how to play things for his favour with Frangieh/Mrad and to an extent Jraissati at the forefront.
    Cheers for the info

    So we can also say that FPM was supporting Michel opposing a dumpster in Zgharta rather than cornering Zgharta...

    Terbol is in the middle of no where, it's a much better location than in Zghertawiye's backyard
    Sectarian issues aren't our problem,
    let the government deliver what they promised and bear responsibility, eventually the landfill in Terbol is becoming sanitary and environment friendly.
     
    Dreaming in Red

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    Cheers for the info

    So we can also say that FPM was supporting Michel opposing a dumpster in Zgharta rather than cornering Zgharta...

    Terbol is in the middle of no where, it's a much better location than in Zghertawiye's backyard
    Sectarian issues aren't our problem,
    let the government deliver what they promised and bear responsibility, eventually the landfill in Terbol is becoming sanitary and environment friendly.
    He never opposed a dumpster in zgharta. Actually the proposed dumpsters were not in zgharta it was in surrounding areas but more acceptable than terbol since terbol is a mountain and people are afraid it will pollute stored water. Regardless, he never had an opinion on this matter, he was always taking low profile and criticizing the municipality for finding no solution despite the fact that zgharta municipality started trash separation process and management since years, but it is getting no support financially whatseover from the state since most of the support is for Beirut and Mount Lebanon. So there are many obstacles facing them. He basically was relishing the uproar at the municipality of zgharta and avenging his withdrawal from the municipality. But because the trash crisis got so horribly bad and Frangieh threatened escalation, he started to work with jraissati and Frangieh to end it and keep politics away. But he never stopped milking it politically. His supporters were the only groups who even raised banners thanking him for solving the crisis at a time when people didnt give a f*ck who solved it and why. His whole career is built on scoring political points here and there but because Frangieh has his flaws, he can survive on this policy.

    Also regarding the location of the landfill, Ever since the old landfill was closed for zgharta trash, Frangieh didn't propose any land at first; he asked the ministry to provide any land they deem suitable, they were refusing to help, and so frangieh and co started offering lands for suggestion all of which were rejected. The problem wasnt about the location of the landfill, the problem that no one was providing any solution. The replies were that we need modern solutions and so on, which required a landfill anyway but they kept postponing finding one.When terbol was finally agreed upon but Hariri stopped it, Frangieh was even about to comply with Mikati/Hariri's blackmail over a nearby piece of land because the people got fed up completely, but once he realized the numbers being asked there was no way it was going to work and so the minister, Frangieh and everyone involved have to stick with Mrad's land. An absolute mafia is at work now. Monstrous and secterian.
     
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    the crisis has been happening for months. It was creating havoc in zgharta city and its surroundings. No one, neither Mrad or anyone were involved in any solution, and there were lands near "christian" areas being offered by the zgharta municipality with agreement with many individuals to end the crisis. The minister was refusing. It was basically FPM trying to corner Zgharta and thus Frangieh. There is a lot to do with that crisis for the past months. When Frangieh and co threatened to escalate more and more, Jraissati started to work to solve the crisis but only on his terms. He chose the lands in fouwar and then terbol, and Frangieh agreed because he wanted the crisis to get over; but it turned sectarian to the bone. I mean after a few days of agreeing on the terbol land, he gets shot ? How low is that ? The guy offered the cheapest and fastest solution. Zgharta municipality ma sad2et inno there was a solution so they just went on with it. The fact that Mrad doesn't want any money for a temporary period even made it a more suitable place. Now whether the place is not suitable, that is the minister's work. He said it is the most suitable of all locations, so he campaigned for this place, and on the other hand Frangieh wanted any place to just dump the trash and get it over with because its hurting him in Zgharta. Ya3neh it started with FPM trying to score political points over Frangieh's municipality in zgharta, and ended in Hariri and co with the most sectarian campaign since 2005, and even reminiscent of the civil war simply to make some cash.

    But the question I'm asking why this Mrad dude don't want any money?
    What is he getting from all this?

    I just have hard time to believe that someone would be willingly poisoning his own lands!

    And how did this turn all sectarian?
    It seems nobody wants a dump next door and that is it!

    I certainly have no details about the whereabout in Jabal Turbol the dump will be but as trabolsi it is unacceptable to make Jabal Terbol a dump place and poison it.. Jabal Terbol is a place of picnic and hiking if anything Jabal Turbol should be a natural reserve for tripoli and the government should actually encourage people not to make it a dump place!

    And making the dump in Turbol will certainly be another disastrous for Tripoli.. just imaging when it rains or when the wind blows!
    w fo2 heyk they want to take all trashfrom Zgharta, Bsharreh and Doniyeh to Jabal Turbol!!!

    I certainly do not trust this trash minister Jraysati or whatever his name is!

    You said it yourself there are areas in Zgharta already but the trash ministry refused them for some reasons!
     
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