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Terrorist attack in Turkey in the new year ; many killed and injured including many Lebanese

Is Turkey who is relatively cheap and without visas requirement a safe place for Lebanese Tourists

  • Yes

    Votes: 1 3.6%
  • No

    Votes: 18 64.3%
  • Mostly Yes

    Votes: 6 21.4%
  • Mostly No

    Votes: 3 10.7%

  • Total voters
    28

Libnene Qu7

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يافطة رفعت في اسطنبول منذ ايام "نحن مسلمون ، لا لإحتفالات الميلاد ورأس السنة"
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What to expect when some are taught like that :rolleyes::(

What a terrible horror.... I hope NO ONE would ever set a foot in this country... I never did and never encouraged anyone to go there.... Turkey will start eating the poison they have been cooking for their neighbors for a long time... RIP to all those who lost their life and speedy recovery to those who are wounded...

It's a shame what's happening to Turkey. It used to be an amazing place to visit, but ever since Erdogan took office he opened up the flood gates of Islamization. As they say, you reap what you sow.
 

NAFAR

Legendary Member
Turkey terrorist attacks are the direct results of the conflict between re-Islamization and the forced secularism in Turkey.
I had seen this first hand when i visited Marmaris 4 years ago:
While the main streets, the souk and the harbor area are very touristic western/ Mediterranean looking the backstreets are totally different.
One evening I ventured by walking deep inside the streets behind the fancy touristic facade and suddenly i was in the middle of 19 century look like streets with hundreds of bearded me who gathered for praying in mosques and in the squares; I guess my very arabic features and Al Salam 3alaykom greeting gave me a free ticket to go thru these streets without any hassle.
I still remember the anxiety and the unsafe feeling I got in until I found my way back to the touristic area.
It was my last visit to Turkey and i guess it was a wise decision.
 

Libnene Qu7

Super Ultra Senior Member
Orange Room Supporter
Turkey terrorist attacks are the direct results of the conflict between re-Islamization and the forced secularism in Turkey.
I had seen this first hand when i visited Marmaris 4 years ago:
While the main streets, the souk and the harbor area are very touristic western/ Mediterranean looking the backstreets are totally different.
One evening I ventured by walking deep inside the streets behind the fancy touristic facade and suddenly i was in the middle of 19 century look like streets with hundreds of bearded me who gathered for praying in mosques and in the squares; I guess my very arabic features and Al Salam 3alaykom greeting gave me a free ticket to go thru these streets without any hassle.
I still remember the anxiety and the unsafe feeling I got in until I found my way back to the touristic area.
It was my last visit to Turkey and i guess it was a wise decision.

Very intersting. It looks like there's substance to those who say that after Syria it's Turkey's turn.
 

tae

Well-Known Member
توقعت ريتا الشامي، أن تموت خلال ذهابها إلى إسطنبول للاحتفال بعيد رأس السنة، وهو ما حدث فعلاً؛ إذ لقيت حتفها مع عشرات آخرين قُتلوا في هجوم على ملهى ليلي خلال الاحتفال بقدوم العام الجديد.

وأعلنت وزارة الخارجية أمس الأحد أن "ثلاثة لبنانيين لقوا حتفهم في الهجوم"، وهم إلياس ورديني، وهيكل مسلم، وريتا الشامي. مضيفةً أن "أربعة لبنانيين آخرين أصيبوا".

ريتا التي تبلغ من العمر 26 عاماً قالت لشقيقتها قبل أن تسافر إلى إسطنبول: "انشاء الله منتسلى.. وأكتر شيء ممكن يصير إنوا موت بانفجار وإلحق أمي".

والد ريتا كشف لوسائل الاعلام: "حاولت أن أمنعها لكنها لم تقبل البقاء، وقد قررت أن تذهب مع أصدقائها".

كما نشرت وسائل الاعلام رسالة من ريتا أرسلتها لصديقتها قبل السفر إلى إسطنبول، قالت فيها إنها "ستذهب إلى إسطنبول ولكنها خائفة". اشارة الى أن ريتا هي الوحيدة بين أشقائها الشباب، وأن والدتها توفيت منذ أشهر.
 

tae

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الشابة ريتا الشامي كانت قد نشرت صورة لها على مواقع التواصل الإجتماعي تتحدث عن الموت والأعياد في السماء وكأنها كانت تشعر بما سيحدث

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rita Y. boulos

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  • الجيش التركي يعلن شن القوات الجوية الروسية غارات على أهدافٍ لداعش جنوب غربي مدينة الباب بريف حلب
  • 08:40
    بوتين يعزي بضحايا هجوم اسطنبول الإرهابي ويؤكد أن موسكو شريك موثوق لأنقرة في مكافحة الإرهاب
 

Dirty Dragon

Well-Known Member
Having visited this beautifully situated club twice, can't imagine the horror of a gunman shooting party goers in cold blood and people jumping into the waters and drowning between the continents of Europe and Asia.

Insider job is likely imo, at least from side of police. After shooting security men still having time to go inside to wreak all this havoc, and escaping alive? It is not like terror attacks were not expected. Plus the entire area is certainly monitored with cameras from every angle and should be very secure with a many police around and ready.
 

!Aoune32

Well-Known Member
[] mala orta. Turkey problem is a problem between secularism and islamic extremism. This is just the beginning in Turkey not the end. I suggest that the FM advisers all the Lebanese people to stop going there. Turkey is a big country of 80 million people and the issue is between itself. How in the world does one take to prison 35000 people including people in high positions in the Army and expect the Army and security forces to do their job properly?
 
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Dirty Dragon

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[] mala orta. Turkey problem is a problem between secularism and islamic extremism. This is just the beginning in Turkey not the end. I suggest that the FM advisers all the Lebanese people to stop going there. Turkey is a big country of 80 million people and the issue is between itself. How in the world does one take to prison 35000 people including people in high positions in the Army and expect the Army and security forces to do their job properly?

Meh, odds to get hurt are still statistically low. The travel warning that should be issued is that Istanbul is not what it used to be. Much too crowded, lots of Syrian refugees like in Lebanon. Turkey is paying the price of the Syrian war as well, and I think Erdoghan was angered by the position he was put in, Syrian war lasting much longer than expected and Turkey in the front lines with the USA hiding behind them and screwing them sometimes by deals with Russia.

You have a point, but the flip side is maybe one didn't clean enough. It is easy to discount government narrative of a conspiracy when one is witnessing crackdowns of this size. I can tell you, I have heard first hand accounts I trust 100% (not online, in person) of the cult like Gulanist organization and some quite disturbing practices; this was before the Syrian war. Not specific information about any operations but just how the organization functions as a cult and some things that go on.
 
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!Aoune32

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Meh, odds to get hurt are still statistically low. The travel warning that should be issued is that Istanbul is not what it used to be. Much too crowded, lots of Syrian refugees like in Lebanon. Turkey is paying the price of the Syrian war as well, and I think Erdoghan was angered by the position he was put in, Syrian war lasting much longer than expected and Turkey in the front lines with the USA hiding behind them and screwing them sometimes by deals with Russia.

You have a point, but the flip side is maybe one didn't clean enough. It is easy to discount government narrative of a conspiracy when one is witnessing crackdowns of this size. I can tell you, I have heard first hand accounts I trust 100% (not online, in person) of the cult like Gulanist organization and some quite disturbing practices; this was before the Syrian war. Not specific information about any operations but just how the organization functions as a cult and some things that go on.

The worst is yet to come. You have in Turkey millions of Kurds 15-20% and at least 1 million Alawites. They can do real damage. The whole security structure was brought down and left is just emptiness. The only way to fix it is the removal of Erdoghan and to install by force a secular system. These attacks are happening all over the world.
 

Jo

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5 جرحى من اللبنانيين سيعودون اليوم الى لبنان باستثناء بشرى الدويهي لانها بحاجة الى يومين او ثلاثة ايام لامكانية نقلها الى لبنان (LBCI)
 

Dirty Dragon

Well-Known Member
The worst is yet to come. You have in Turkey millions of Kurds 15-20% and at least 1 million Alawites. They can do real damage. The whole security structure was brought down and left is just emptiness. The only way to fix it is the removal of Erdoghan and to install by force a secular system. These attacks are happening all over the world.

Gulan the head of this large cult is less secular than Erdoghan. Do you want another "moderate" opposition ?

The secular generals and police chiefs etc ended up quitting or in jail or in exile or defected to Russia :) They are not allied with Gulan, they were replaced by the Erdoghan-Gulan alliance before those two had a split.
 

nonsense

Legendary Member
The Lebanese Victims of Istanbul’s Terrorist Attacks & Lebanese TV Stations’ Disgusting Unprofessionalism




I debated whether to write about this issue or not for the better part of the last few hours, but the response by Lebanese media to the Istanbul attacks, especially with regards to the Lebanese who fell victim to them, is disgusting and horrifying and should not be accepted any day longer or repeated in any way in any coverage in 2017.

In a terrorist attack on a night club in Istanbul, an abomination of a human being dressed as Santa opened fire and killed 39 people, injuring more than 60 others. Of those 100 people, around 13 are Lebanese as per initial estimates. Of those Lebanese, three have been confirmed to have passed away so far: Elias Wardini, Rita Chami and Haykal Moussallem.

Lebanon’s three victims were visiting Istanbul, like many Lebanese, thinking it was a safe place for them ring in the new year. They were there with friends, loved ones, hoping for the last moments of 2016 and the first of 2017 to bring them the happiness they were seeking out on that dance-floor.

Elias and Rita were enjoying the Istanbul snow together only hours before tragedy struck.



It’s heartbreaking how uncertain and fickle our existence as people and as Lebanese is.

Fewer things are as tragic as this: to fall victim to acts of terror, to have your death be analyzed a hundred thousand times fold, to be called a “martyr” in an attempt to normalize the horror to which Elias, Rita and Haykal were victims, and since this is Lebanon, to have your death become a national circus for your country’s media to bring in as many viewers and ad money as they possibly could.

Elias was a personal trainer. He was engaged, to be married. He was 26.

Rita was one of my close friend’s best friends. Her mother, who also happens to be her best friend had recently passed away after a tough battle with cancer. Rita had left her studies in Radio and TV to be by her mother’s side.

Haykal Moussallem was a married man, and a physical fitness trainer for many of Lebanon’s basketball teams. He was currently Tadamon’s trainer.

Elias Wardini, Rita Chami and Haykal Moussallem, I didn’t know you but I know many of your friends, and they all loved you so. May you all rest in peace, and may your family find solace in you being loved by so many this much.

Elias, Rita and Haykal were actual people. They loved, were loved. They tried to thrive, to build their lives, to reclaim things they had lost. That is a concept that is escaping Lebanese TV stations as they treat Elias, Rita and Haykal as nothing more than push notification entities to get traffic to their websites, sensational stories to get viewers to their channels and click-baits to drive ad money on their websites.

Dear Lebanese TV stations, let me copy paste the rant I’ve already written about you with its many expletives before I elaborate further:

Lebanese TV stations are so ****ing unprofessional. How despicable can you get to go to the houses of Istanbul’s victims, film their families receiving the news of their passing, asking them all kinds of ridiculous questions. How the **** do you think they’re feeling? Are they happy? Do you think I want to see people receiving the worst news of their lives? **** you.

It started with them spreading fake news, giving false hope to Elias Wardini’s family that he was safe and sound, without any basis, without fact checking it, without giving a shit how false hope is as devastating in instances such as this as knowing the truth:




They also did the same with Haykal Moussallem. Please note that both fake stories are the same; Haykal and Elias had jumped into the water:



When it was clear that Elias Wardini did not make it, they set up camp in the middle of his family’s house, filmed them receiving the news of his passing, filmed Elias’ sister receiving the shock of her life and reacting to it as she learned her brother was no more, made the father of the victim cry on national TV, interviewed politicians who couldn’t wait for their moment in the spotlight in the middle of the family’s house.

The more news about more victims surfaced, the more they sought out their sensationalism. More houses were visited. More devastated family members were asked “how they felt,” as if they would answer anything other than “heartbroken.” More interpretation by all knowing news hosts, anchors and reporters were thrown at us about how those families were dealing, coping, and receiving the news.

It’s as if they’re not aware that those that passed away and those that are in critical conditions are people with loved ones and friends who are worried about them. It’s as if they don’t know, based on our previous experiences with the horror we’ve experienced on our soil, how devastating such events could be, let alone have them take place on what should be joyful celebratory days. It’s like they’re not aware of the theatrics they are doing, the reality TV show they’re turning those families’ lives into as they’ll never be whole again, as they’ll never look at New Year’s Day the same once more.

It doesn’t stop there, but even after PM Saad Hariri personally asked Lebanese TV stations to stop their coverage from the houses of the victims, MTV’s reporters not only refuse to do so but call on the Red Cross on live TV to come to the victims’ houses because some of their family members had fainted from the news. Don’t they have a phone they could call from? Or an ounce of dignity they wanted to preserve by not pretending to play heroes on national TV?




That wasn’t the end of it. Our media tried to play the role of the only heroes in this affair, with them being the only entity fighting for our Lebanese victims. Fighting how? With the charade they were airing. Meanwhile, our government was on top of things with a plane being sent with medical equipment to bring back our countrymen home, have all their medical expenses paid for, and have MEA issue free tickets to Istanbul for all families involved.

My heart breaks on this first day of the year ten folds. It breaks because my country is, once again, at the heart of an international tragedy. It breaks for Rita, Elias and Haykal, for all the potential they had, for all the love they gave those that loved them, for all the hope they had and all the days they had in front of them. It breaks for their families, who are as broken as this country on this horrifying morning.

And throughout those breaks, I can’t but be disgusted at how our media handle – and always handle – our national losses. We are not material for you to get money. We are not sources for you to be sensational. We are not faceless names you call martyrs to rouse emotions. We are people. We have lives. We have families. We deserve privacy. We deserve some dignity. And you, dear media, deserve a big fat: **** you.
 

TayyarBeino

Legendary Member
وسائل إعلام تركية: الأجهزة الأمنية تقتحم منزلاً في إحدى ضواحي إسطنبول يتوقع وجود منفذ عملية الملهى بداخله
 

Elvis left the building

Legendary Member
The Lebanese Victims of Istanbul’s Terrorist Attacks & Lebanese TV Stations’ Disgusting Unprofessionalism




I debated whether to write about this issue or not for the better part of the last few hours, but the response by Lebanese media to the Istanbul attacks, especially with regards to the Lebanese who fell victim to them, is disgusting and horrifying and should not be accepted any day longer or repeated in any way in any coverage in 2017.

In a terrorist attack on a night club in Istanbul, an abomination of a human being dressed as Santa opened fire and killed 39 people, injuring more than 60 others. Of those 100 people, around 13 are Lebanese as per initial estimates. Of those Lebanese, three have been confirmed to have passed away so far: Elias Wardini, Rita Chami and Haykal Moussallem.

Lebanon’s three victims were visiting Istanbul, like many Lebanese, thinking it was a safe place for them ring in the new year. They were there with friends, loved ones, hoping for the last moments of 2016 and the first of 2017 to bring them the happiness they were seeking out on that dance-floor.

Elias and Rita were enjoying the Istanbul snow together only hours before tragedy struck.



It’s heartbreaking how uncertain and fickle our existence as people and as Lebanese is.

Fewer things are as tragic as this: to fall victim to acts of terror, to have your death be analyzed a hundred thousand times fold, to be called a “martyr” in an attempt to normalize the horror to which Elias, Rita and Haykal were victims, and since this is Lebanon, to have your death become a national circus for your country’s media to bring in as many viewers and ad money as they possibly could.

Elias was a personal trainer. He was engaged, to be married. He was 26.

Rita was one of my close friend’s best friends. Her mother, who also happens to be her best friend had recently passed away after a tough battle with cancer. Rita had left her studies in Radio and TV to be by her mother’s side.

Haykal Moussallem was a married man, and a physical fitness trainer for many of Lebanon’s basketball teams. He was currently Tadamon’s trainer.

Elias Wardini, Rita Chami and Haykal Moussallem, I didn’t know you but I know many of your friends, and they all loved you so. May you all rest in peace, and may your family find solace in you being loved by so many this much.

Elias, Rita and Haykal were actual people. They loved, were loved. They tried to thrive, to build their lives, to reclaim things they had lost. That is a concept that is escaping Lebanese TV stations as they treat Elias, Rita and Haykal as nothing more than push notification entities to get traffic to their websites, sensational stories to get viewers to their channels and click-baits to drive ad money on their websites.

Dear Lebanese TV stations, let me copy paste the rant I’ve already written about you with its many expletives before I elaborate further:

Lebanese TV stations are so ****ing unprofessional. How despicable can you get to go to the houses of Istanbul’s victims, film their families receiving the news of their passing, asking them all kinds of ridiculous questions. How the **** do you think they’re feeling? Are they happy? Do you think I want to see people receiving the worst news of their lives? **** you.

It started with them spreading fake news, giving false hope to Elias Wardini’s family that he was safe and sound, without any basis, without fact checking it, without giving a shit how false hope is as devastating in instances such as this as knowing the truth:




They also did the same with Haykal Moussallem. Please note that both fake stories are the same; Haykal and Elias had jumped into the water:



When it was clear that Elias Wardini did not make it, they set up camp in the middle of his family’s house, filmed them receiving the news of his passing, filmed Elias’ sister receiving the shock of her life and reacting to it as she learned her brother was no more, made the father of the victim cry on national TV, interviewed politicians who couldn’t wait for their moment in the spotlight in the middle of the family’s house.

The more news about more victims surfaced, the more they sought out their sensationalism. More houses were visited. More devastated family members were asked “how they felt,” as if they would answer anything other than “heartbroken.” More interpretation by all knowing news hosts, anchors and reporters were thrown at us about how those families were dealing, coping, and receiving the news.

It’s as if they’re not aware that those that passed away and those that are in critical conditions are people with loved ones and friends who are worried about them. It’s as if they don’t know, based on our previous experiences with the horror we’ve experienced on our soil, how devastating such events could be, let alone have them take place on what should be joyful celebratory days. It’s like they’re not aware of the theatrics they are doing, the reality TV show they’re turning those families’ lives into as they’ll never be whole again, as they’ll never look at New Year’s Day the same once more.

It doesn’t stop there, but even after PM Saad Hariri personally asked Lebanese TV stations to stop their coverage from the houses of the victims, MTV’s reporters not only refuse to do so but call on the Red Cross on live TV to come to the victims’ houses because some of their family members had fainted from the news. Don’t they have a phone they could call from? Or an ounce of dignity they wanted to preserve by not pretending to play heroes on national TV?




That wasn’t the end of it. Our media tried to play the role of the only heroes in this affair, with them being the only entity fighting for our Lebanese victims. Fighting how? With the charade they were airing. Meanwhile, our government was on top of things with a plane being sent with medical equipment to bring back our countrymen home, have all their medical expenses paid for, and have MEA issue free tickets to Istanbul for all families involved.

My heart breaks on this first day of the year ten folds. It breaks because my country is, once again, at the heart of an international tragedy. It breaks for Rita, Elias and Haykal, for all the potential they had, for all the love they gave those that loved them, for all the hope they had and all the days they had in front of them. It breaks for their families, who are as broken as this country on this horrifying morning.

And throughout those breaks, I can’t but be disgusted at how our media handle – and always handle – our national losses. We are not material for you to get money. We are not sources for you to be sensational. We are not faceless names you call martyrs to rouse emotions. We are people. We have lives. We have families. We deserve privacy. We deserve some dignity. And you, dear media, deserve a big fat: **** you.

no words can describe the horror of this tragedy

silence, contemplation, help and respect are the only things that can be afforded

this terrorist attack was horrible

for me our media was since 2005 and still is a bunch of topic milking whores

& i dont mean that as an insult

journalists in general, and ours in particular, are litterally cancer
 

TayyarBeino

Legendary Member
بالصورة - الشرطة التركية تنشر صورة جديدة أكثر وضوحاً للإرهابي منفذ اعتداء اسطنبول

2
JANUARY
2017
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نشرت قوات الأمن التركية صورة جديدة أكثر وضوحا للإرهابي الذي نفذ اعتداء اسطنبول وراح ضحيته 39 شخص وعشرات الجرحى. (شاهد الصورة المرفقة)

 

Dark Angel

Legendary Member
بالصورة - الشرطة التركية تنشر صورة جديدة أكثر وضوحاً للإرهابي منفذ اعتداء اسطنبول

2
JANUARY
2017
170102100453919~torkk.jpg

نشرت قوات الأمن التركية صورة جديدة أكثر وضوحا للإرهابي الذي نفذ اعتداء اسطنبول وراح ضحيته 39 شخص وعشرات الجرحى. (شاهد الصورة المرفقة)


it is obvious the guy in the photo above is not someone who is used to smiling.

there will always be people as such. the problem is that as technology advances the destructive power of these individuals increases dramatically. few centuries ago the worst such a guy could do was to grab a sword and strike a couple of people before being subdued. today a single individual could very well bring down a sky scraper.. in a few decades, one individual might very well be able to take out a complete city.
 

!Aoune32

Well-Known Member
it is obvious the guy in the photo above is not someone who is used to smiling.

there will always be people as such. the problem is that as technology advances the destructive power of these individuals increases dramatically. few centuries ago the worst such a guy could do was to grab a sword and strike a couple of people before being subdued. today a single individual could very well bring down a sky scraper.. in a few decades, one individual might very well be able to take out a complete city.

100%
Technology has advanced so much there is nothing you can do about these people except to kill them.
 
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