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Terrorist attack in Turkey in the new year ; many killed and injured including many Lebanese

Is Turkey who is relatively cheap and without visas requirement a safe place for Lebanese Tourists

  • Yes

    Votes: 1 3.6%
  • No

    Votes: 18 64.3%
  • Mostly Yes

    Votes: 6 21.4%
  • Mostly No

    Votes: 3 10.7%

  • Total voters
    28

Dark Angel

Legendary Member
100%
Technology has advanced so much there is nothing you can do about these people except to kill them.
this needs to be addressed on an ideological level, it is the leading cause behind these terror attacks. it is what turns a normal human being into a ticking time bomb. the terrorists are also the victims of this twisted ideology..
 

!Aoune32

Well-Known Member
this needs to be addressed on an ideological level, it is the leading cause behind these terror attacks. it is what turns a normal human being into a ticking time bomb.

i don't think you can ever stop this. you have people more and more focused on their IPhones masalan than their partners these days. these advances which ofcourse was done to cure cancer or some other diseases are now being used by terrorists and I am predicting that 2017 is going to be a bloody bloody year.

The only way to get rid of them is to search house by house and kill all of them. There is nothing else you can really do.
 

Dark Angel

Legendary Member
i don't think you can ever stop this. you have people more and more focused on their IPhones masalan than their partners these days. these advances which ofcourse was done to cure cancer or some other diseases are now being used by terrorists and I am predicting that 2017 is going to be a bloody bloody year.

The only way to get rid of them is to search house by house and kill all of them. There is nothing else you can really do.

there is plenty that can be done. the problem is that it is no longer socially acceptable to do it, because the world has grayed the area between right and wrong and oftentimes equates between good and evil. once these delineations are cleared, all evil ideologies will crumble on their own without much effort.
 

!Aoune32

Well-Known Member
there is plenty that can be done. the problem is that it is no longer socially acceptable to do it, because the world has grayed the area between right and wrong and oftentimes equates between good and evil. once these delineations are cleared, all evil ideologies will crumble on their own without much effort.

you can try to nuke the bastards but they will just breed more and more. you can't really stop a person who wants to kill himself in the name of GOD. With all these weapons that ISIS has and 2 billion dollars in it's pocket it is one powerful machine. It is more powerful than Al Qaeda ever was and it won't be finished anytime soon.
 

Dark Angel

Legendary Member
you can try to nuke the bastards but they will just breed more and more. you can't really stop a person who wants to kill himself in the name of GOD. With all these weapons that ISIS has and 2 billion dollars in it's pocket it is one powerful machine. It is more powerful than Al Qaeda ever was and it won't be finished anytime soon.

killing more people is not the answer. the root of the problem is very obvious. what needs to be addressed is that very root cause, not its symptoms. those people killing themselves used to be little kids once running and laughing and discovering the world, what turned them into monsters is their ideology. what needs to be done is undoing that school of thought.
 

!Aoune32

Well-Known Member
killing more people is not the answer. the root of the problem is very obvious. what needs to be addressed is that very root cause, not its symptoms. those people killing themselves used to be little kids once running and laughing and discovering the world, what turned them into monsters is their ideology. what needs to be done is undoing that school of thought.

the undoing is very hard. it is not easy. we are talking about undoing millions of minds. this will not happen in our lifetime. alot of those minds are in the western world. the western world has economic prosperity, jobs, etc etc but they still think the way they do. there is nothing one can do about it. you come and see in sydney there are places which look worst than Bab El Tebbaneh.
 

Dark Angel

Legendary Member
the undoing is very hard. it is not easy. we are talking about undoing millions of minds. this will not happen in our lifetime. alot of those minds are in the western world. the western world has economic prosperity, jobs, etc etc but they still think the way they do. there is nothing one can do about it. you come and see in sydney there are places which look worst than Bab El Tebbaneh.
killing millions upon millions will not undo the ideology and will keep producing the same fanaticism over and over. ideas are impervious to bullets, ideas will only succumb to other ideas.
 

!Aoune32

Well-Known Member
killing millions upon millions will not undo the ideology and will keep producing the same fanaticism over and over. ideas are impervious to bullets, ideas will only succumb to other ideas.

what do you suggest? sit them down and advise them right from wrong?
 

Libnene Qu7

Super Ultra Senior Member
Orange Room Supporter
Big kudos to the Lebanese government for showing a sense of responsibility and urgency during this tragedy. I honestly never expected to see something like this from our government, but then again when did we really have a real statesman at the head?

And a big fail to our f***ing media which showed zero respect for the families of the victims. I can't believe the level of morbidity Lebanese media has stooped down to just get a scoop. Do we really want to see a mother collapse from the news that her son got killed? Shameful, unprofessional, and disgusting.
 

Thawra # Furoshima

Well-Known Member
The worst is yet to come. You have in Turkey millions of Kurds 15-20% and at least 1 million Alawites. They can do real damage. The whole security structure was brought down and left is just emptiness. The only way to fix it is the removal of Erdoghan and to install by force a secular system. These attacks are happening all over the world.
At least 10 millions allawis...
 

nonsense

Legendary Member
no words can describe the horror of this tragedy

silence, contemplation, help and respect are the only things that can be afforded

this terrorist attack was horrible

for me our media was since 2005 and still is a bunch of topic milking whores

& i dont mean that as an insult

journalists in general, and ours in particular, are litterally cancer
Yes, especially since 2005, it has been undiluted crap that is pushed through the tv.

There should be some work on improving or regulating the standards of journalism. Who has/should have the authority to do this?

Some samples of what is out there...
Journalism ethics and standards - Wikipedia
Ethical Journalism Network - Promoting Ethics in Media - EJN

SPJ Code of Ethics | Society of Professional Journalists | Improving and protecting journalism since 1909
Code of Ethics
PREAMBLE

Members of the Society of Professional Journalists believe that public enlightenment is the forerunner of justice and the foundation of democracy. Ethical journalism strives to ensure the free exchange of information that is accurate, fair and thorough. An ethical journalist acts with integrity. The Society declares these four principles as the foundation of ethical journalism and encourages their use in its practice by all people in all media.

Seek Truth and Report It
Ethical journalism should be accurate and fair. Journalists should be honest and courageous in gathering, reporting and interpreting information.
Journalists should:
u Take responsibility for the accuracy of their work. Verify information before releasing it. Use original sources whenever possible.
u Remember that neither speed nor format excuses inaccuracy.
u Provide context. Take special care not to misrepresent or oversimplify in promoting, previewing or summarizing a story.
u Gather, update and correct information throughout the life of a news story.
u Be cautious when making promises, but keep the promises they make.
u Identify sources clearly. The public is entitled to as much information as possible
to judge the reliability and motivations of sources.
u Consider sources’ motives before promising anonymity. Reserve anonymity for sources who may face danger, retribution or other harm, and have information that cannot be obtained elsewhere. Explain why anonymity was granted.
u Diligently seek subjects of news coverage to allow them to respond to criticism or allegations of wrongdoing.
u Avoid undercover or other surreptitious methods of gathering information unless traditional, open methods will not yield information vital to the public.
u Be vigilant and courageous about holding those with power accountable. Give voice to the voiceless.
u Support the open and civil exchange of views, even views they find repugnant.
u Recognize a special obligation to serve as watchdogs over public affairs and government. Seek to ensure that the public’s business is conducted in the open, and that public records are open to all.
u Provide access to source material when it is relevant and appropriate.
u Boldly tell the story of the diversity and magnitude of the human experience. Seek sources whose voices we seldom hear.
u Avoid stereotyping. Journalists should examine the ways their values and experiences may shape their reporting.
u Label advocacy and commentary.
u Never deliberately distort facts or context, including visual information. Clearly label illustrations and re-enactments.
u Never plagiarize. Always attribute.

Minimize Harm
Ethical journalism treats sources, subjects, colleagues and members of the public as human beings deserving of respect.
Journalists should:
u Balance the public’s need for information against potential harm or discomfort. Pursuit of the news is not a license for arrogance or undue intrusiveness.
u Show compassion for those who may be affected by news coverage. Use heightened sensitivity when dealing with juveniles, victims of sex crimes, and sources or subjects who are inexperienced or unable to give consent. Consider cultural differences in approach and treatment.
u Recognize that legal access to information differs from an ethical justification to publish or broadcast.
u Realize that private people have a greater right to control information about themselves than public figures and others who seek power, influence or attention. Weigh the consequences of publishing or broadcasting personal information.
u Avoid pandering to lurid curiosity, even if others do.
u Balance a suspect’s right to a fair trial with the public’s right to know. Consider the implications of identifying criminal suspects before they face legal charges.
u Consider the long-term implications of the extended reach and permanence of publication. Provide updated and more complete information as appropriate.


Act Independently
The highest and primary obligation of ethical journalism is to serve the public.
Journalists should:
u Avoid conflicts of interest, real or perceived. Disclose unavoidable conflicts.
u Refuse gifts, favors, fees, free travel and special treatment, and avoid political and other outside activities that may compromise integrity or impartiality, or may damage credibility.
u Be wary of sources offering information for favors or money; do not pay for access to news. Identify content provided by outside sources, whether paid or not.
u Deny favored treatment to advertisers, donors or any other special interests, and resist internal and external pressure to influence coverage.
u Distinguish news from advertising and shun hybrids that blur the lines between the two. Prominently label sponsored content.

Be Accountable and Transparent
Ethical journalism means taking responsibility for one's work and
explaining one’s decisions to the public.
Journalists should:
u Explain ethical choices and processes to audiences. Encourage a civil dialogue with the public about journalistic practices, coverage and news content.
u Respond quickly to questions about accuracy, clarity and fairness.
u Acknowledge mistakes and correct them promptly and prominently. Explain corrections and clarifications carefully and clearly.
u Expose unethical conduct in journalism, including within their organizations.
u Abide by the same high standards they expect of others.

قلل من الضرر
تعامل الصحافة الأخلاقية المصادر والمواضيع والزملاء وأف ا رد الجمهور بوصفهم أناس يستحقون الاحت ا رم.
يبنغي على الصحفيين :
إحداث التوازن بين حاجة الجمهور إلى المعلومات والضرر المحتمل أو الإزعاج. البحث عن الأخبار ليست رخصة للغطرسة -
أو التدخل الفضولي الذي لا مبرر له.
إظهار التعاطف مع أولئك الذين قد تمسهم التغطية الإخبارية. استخدام الحساسية - العالية عند التعامل مع جنوح الأحداث
وضحايا الج ا رئم الجنسية والمصادر أو الاشخاص الذين يفتقرون إلى الخبرة أو غير القاد رين على التعبير عن الرضا. الأخذ
بعين الاعتبار الاختلافات الثقافية في التغطية والمعالجة الإعلامية.
معرفة الفرق بين الحق القانوني في الوصول إلى المعلومات والتبرير الأخلاقي للنشر أو البث. -
إد ا رك أن الأف ا رد الخواص يملكون حقا أكبر في التحكم في المعلومات الخاصة بهم من الشخصيات العامة وغيرهم ممن -
يبحثون على القوة أوالنفوذ أو الانتباه. تقييم عواقب نشر أو بث المعلومات الشخصية.
تجنب إرضاء الفضول المتوهج، حتى لو كان الآخرون يفعلون ذلك. -
إحداث التوازن بين حق المتهم في محاكمة عادلة وحق الجمهور في المعرفة. النظر في الآثار المترتبة على تحديد المشتبه -
فيهم جنائيا قبل أن توجه لهم اتهامات قانونية.
النظر في الآثار البعيدة المدي من ج ا زء النشر المتسم بالاتساع والديمومة. تحديث المعلومات واستكمالها حسب مقتضى -
الحال
.
 

!Aoune32

Well-Known Member
تتابع وزارة الخارجية والمغتربين عبر مدير عام المغتربين هيثم جمعة والقائم بالاعمال بالوكالة لسفارة لبنان في جنوب افريقيا المعتمدة لدى أنغولا آرا خجاطوريان، موضوع مقتل رجل الاعمال اللبناني أمين بكري مواليد العام ١٩٦١ من بلدة صير الغربية - قضاء النبطية، والذي تعرّض لعملية إطلاق نار منذ يومين في احدى ضواحي العاصمة لواندا، مما أدّى الى مقتله.


يُشار الى ان معتمد البعثة في دولة أنغولا محمد نسر يتابع هذا الموضوع مع السلطات الأمنية الانغولية لإجراء التحريات والتحقيقات اللازمة لكشف الجناة وتوقيفهم.



وقد اجرى رئيس الحكومة سعد الحريري اتصالاً مع الوزير جبران باسيل طالباً منه تكثيف الاتصالات مع الجهات المعنية للتسريع في التحقيقات وملاحقة الفاعلين ومعاقبتهم،وقام الوزير باسيل بإجراء اللازم.

Another Lebanese, this time in Africa!
 

SeaAb

Legendary Member
Staff member
Super Penguin
Horrible - One minute you're celebrating life and the next...
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Fakhr eddine 1618

Legendary Member
ouffff

i was away and didn't follow the news till yesterday

3an jadd, I ma not understanding how the guy kept shooting 45 minutes with nobody interrupting him

Then he also left peacefully and disappeared ???????

I was in Rome and there were in Metro and all public known places at each 15 meters army soldiers with their guns and patrols
There was a small problem at colosseo at around 1:00PM on New Years Eve and suddenly intelligence officers popped out of the foule with their civil clothes and put the champagne bottles aside and controlled the situation: this is what is called REAL SECURITY. Security were among people and nobody felt it

But to have someone shooting for 45 minutes without anybody blocking him ???????? and having two critical incidents just week ago should have alarmed to improve security !!!
I am afraid that Erdogan might have put all competent security officers in Jail for different excuses and now Turkey is paying the price
 

Dirty Dragon

Well-Known Member
ouffff

i was away and didn't follow the news till yesterday

3an jadd, I ma not understanding how the guy kept shooting 45 minutes with nobody interrupting him

Then he also left peacefully and disappeared ???????

I was in Rome and there were in Metro and all public known places at each 15 meters army soldiers with their guns and patrols
There was a small problem at colosseo at around 1:00PM on New Years Eve and suddenly intelligence officers popped out of the foule with their civil clothes and put the champagne bottles aside and controlled the situation: this is what is called REAL SECURITY. Security were among people and nobody felt it

But to have someone shooting for 45 minutes without anybody blocking him ???????? and having two critical incidents just week ago should have alarmed to improve security !!!
I am afraid that Erdogan might have put all competent security officers in Jail for different excuses and now Turkey is paying the price

Heard this relayed through a friend of a friend who was there that on NYE. I trust my friend to relay accurately but don't know the person who is the "source". So not responsible for any mutations, embellishments, or even flying elephants incurred in the transfer of this information :p

The attack started bit after 1AM, the Turkish police supposedly relaxed because it was "past midnight / danger time".

This person was hiding in the a bathroom when attack started. Said multiple shooters were heard talking, maybe 2-3 and they sounded Islamic but not Arabic.

The first to be shot were two Saudi twin brothers, and seems the people there are under the impression that attackers knew not only the place but even the tables and who was sitting where.

They shot people in bursts every few minutes and in a manner to maximize casualties. Spraying the water to try and hit the people who jumped and shooting inside bathrooms at the doors to try and hit those hiding inside.

Police cars/sirens were heard outside the club as early as 10-20 mins after the attack started, but the police didn't get inside till an hour after.

When the police got inside and saw the mess they initially told people to run for their lives. Which might have given the shooters an opportunity to escape. In the end they rounded up the survivors to the restaurants in surrounding areas and told them to sit in the exact groups they went to the club with (a restaurant table mirroring the club tables). They searched and questioned everyone extremely thoroughly at this point before letting them out early morning.
 

!Aoune32

Well-Known Member
what is outstanding is that in the whole night club 2-3 people couldn't just hold the man? they couldn't have tackled him? everyone too busy running and he is shooting? it just tells you how people are these days. 30 years ago people would have caught a person if he snatched an old ladies purse, now something like this and people just walk away or run out.
 
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