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Israel The Arab-Israeli conflict: Is Israel the victim?

Who is the real culprit in the Arab-Israeli conflict:

  • Israel

    Votes: 1 10.0%
  • Arab countries, for refusing to adopt the UN's partition plan

    Votes: 7 70.0%
  • The British mandate's policies

    Votes: 2 20.0%

  • Total voters
    10
True Palestinian

True Palestinian

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The canaanite gods were there before yahwe claimed the land as his own for his people.

Maybe the canaanites have a more credible claim for jerusalem.
Israelites were basically Canaanite, and Judaism largely derives from Canaanite polytheism.

Checkmate ;)
 
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  • Iron Maiden

    Iron Maiden

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    Do you agree that Jews deserve a safe homeland after having witnessed the horrors of WWII and Arab discrimination? Which place sounds like the natural homeland for Jews?
    Hint: it's a place that was invaded by Muslims in the 7th century.
    Any religious claims are bogus hope you got your answer.

    And FYI, the muslim invasion of the levant, as much as it was destructive for the mashrqis, did not kick the jews out of the area.

    The pleasure goes to emperor hadrian after the third jewish uprising against rome, sacked jerusalem and built a new city over its ruins whose name replaced jerusalem.
    Jerusalem’s name was lost until the crusaders came and took it.

    Again a bit of reading m8
     
    True Palestinian

    True Palestinian

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    Do you agree that Jews deserve a safe homeland after having witnessed the horrors of WWII and Arab discrimination? Which place sounds like the natural homeland for Jews?
    Hint: it's a place that was invaded by Muslims in the 7th century.
    I once asked that question to a polak because all the jarabs were telling me to "go back to Poland". "Madagascar" was his answer :lol:
     
    True Palestinian

    True Palestinian

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    So a monotheist religion is also a polytheist religion? #bigbrains
    Started out as a henotheistic/monolatric religion. Check the Elephantine papyri, you'll discover that all the way down to the 6th century BCE Yahweh had a consort (Anat-Yahu).
     
    Iron Maiden

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    Started out as a henotheistic/monolatric religion. Check the Elephantine papyri, you'll discover that all the way down to the 6th century BCE Yahweh had a consort (Anat-Yahu).
    Freat stuff, the point remains, judaism was preceded by other religions on that piece of land, who have an older claim to it.

    #JerusalemBelongsToAdonis
     
    Ice Tea

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    As far as i know the druze and maronites weren't imported in the late 19th century to mount lebanon.

    Next
    How was the Jews 'imported' to Palestine? There was never a single time in history that Palestine was empty of Jews.

    And some Maronites do have roots elsewhere in greater Syria. Likewise, a great deal of Lebanese Druze have roots in Sweida. Why do you think Maronite and Druze movements started elsewhere but thrived the most in Mount Lebanon? Exactly, because the first followers of those faiths came to Mount Lebanon as REFUGEES. The same Maronites and Druze were the ones that made Lebanon prosper.

    Since the Middle Ages Palestine had been receiving Jewish refugees from both Europe and the MENA region, in addition to the Jews that NEVER ceased to completely exist there. At the time of the UN partition plan, Jews were already a significant portion of the population and the majority in places like Safed, Haifa, Jaffa (Tel Aviv) and yes, Jerusalem.

    Also, after the first big Aliyah in the late 19th century Jews start improving a lot the conditions in Palestine: started building hospitals and universities, brought new agriculture techniques and even eradicated diceases like Malaria. All of these attracted immigrants from all over the Arab world to Palestine, which was seen before as a poverty-ridden godforsaken place.
     
    True Palestinian

    True Palestinian

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    How was the Jews 'imported' to Palestine? There was never a single time in history that Palestine was empty of Jews.
    Jerusalem had a Jewish majority 100 years before Israel's independence. It took Jordan's Arabisation and Islamisation + de-Judaisation of Jerusalem from 1948 to 1967 to change that in the Old City (so-called "East Jerusalem"), moar here.
     
    Ice Tea

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    Jerusalem had a Jewish majority 100 years before Israel's independence. It took Jordan's Arabisation and Islamisation + de-Judaisation of Jerusalem from 1948 to 1967 to change that in the Old City (so-called "East Jerusalem"), moar here.

    The whole 'Jews stole Jerusalem from Muslims' is just a pretext to hate Jews. Which is quite ironic given Jerusalem is only 'important' to Muslims because of the Jewish/Biblical events that took place there.

    Also, Muslims are conveniently silent that some of the most important cities to Christians (Constantinople, Antioch, Alexandria) are all Muslim-occupied now.
     
    Iron Maiden

    Iron Maiden

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    How was the Jews 'imported' to Palestine? There was never a single time in history that Palestine was empty of Jews.

    And some Maronites do have roots elsewhere in greater Syria. Likewise, a great deal of Lebanese Druze have roots in Sweida. Why do you think Maronite and Druze movements started elsewhere but thrived the most in Mount Lebanon? Exactly, because the first followers of those faiths came to Mount Lebanon as REFUGEES. The same Maronites and Druze were the ones that made Lebanon prosper.

    Since the Middle Ages Palestine had been receiving Jewish refugees from both Europe and the MENA region, in addition to the Jews that NEVER ceased to completely exist there. At the time of the UN partition plan, Jews were already a significant portion of the population and the majority in places like Safed, Haifa, Jaffa (Tel Aviv) and yes, Jerusalem.

    Also, after the first big Aliyah in the late 19th century Jews start improving a lot the conditions in Palestine: started building hospitals and universities, brought new agriculture techniques and even eradicated diceases like Malaria. All of these attracted immigrants from all over the Arab world to Palestine, which was seen before as a poverty-ridden godforsaken place.
    So all the boats that were coming in were just delivering kosher food for the millions of jews living there since the middle ages?? ??
     
    True Palestinian

    True Palestinian

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    The whole 'Jews stole Jerusalem from Muslims' is just a pretext to hate Jews. Which is quite ironic given Jerusalem is only 'important' to Muslims because of the Jewish/Biblical events that took place there.

    Also, Muslims are conveniently silent that some of the most important cities to Christians (Constantinople, Antioch, Alexandria) are all Muslim-occupied now.
    Before the 6-day war, Jerusalem was an unimportant part of the jarab world, and an irrelevant city in the muslim world. When the IDF liberated Har HaBayit, the place was full of weeds (also check 2obbet es sakhra's roof):





    ^^They only started caring when Jews reached the place... Which goes on to prove that No Jews = No News ?

    Either way, denying the Jewish claim to Jerusalem is a very dirty trick, it's the most Jewish city on planet earth, everything starts and ends there. If you don't recognise the Jews' historical right to Jerusalem, then you don't recognise their right to exist anywhere else, really... Not in Tel Aviv (which is a literal settlement btw, unlike Jerusalem), and certainly not anywhere else.
     
    Iron Maiden

    Iron Maiden

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    The whole 'Jews stole Jerusalem from Muslims' is just a pretext to hate Jews. Which is quite ironic given Jerusalem is only 'important' to Muslims because of the Jewish/Biblical events that took place there.

    Also, Muslims are conveniently silent that some of the most important cities to Christians (Constantinople, Antioch, Alexandria) are all Muslim-occupied now.
    Enta ktir awe man, zionist bought land from the royal family and forcibly unrooted people who were living there because, color me surprised, they wouldnt just abandon it.

    Also nicely cherry picking my posts, you were taught well ?
     
    Iron Maiden

    Iron Maiden

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    Before the 6-day war, Jerusalem was an unimportant part of the jarab world, and an irrelevant city in the muslim world. When the IDF liberated Har HaBayit, the place was full of weeds (also check 2obbet es sakhra's roof):





    ^^Which goes on to prove that No Jews = No News ?

    Either way, denying the Jewish claim to Jerusalem is a very dirty trick, it's the most Jewish city on planet earth, everything starts and ends there. If you don't recognise the Jews' historical right to Jerusalem, then you don't recognise their right to exist anywhere else, really... Not in Tel Aviv (which is a literal settlement btw, unlike Jerusalem), and certainly not anywhere else.
    Go unearth the corpse if hadrian and talk to him about the weeds ??
     
    True Palestinian

    True Palestinian

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    Enta ktir awe man, zionist bought land from the royal family and forcibly unrooted people who were living there because, color me surprised, they wouldnt just abandon it. ?
    Ironically-enough, most of the landowners from which the Jewish Agency bought land were from the Lebanese aristocracy. Here's a map reflecting the real extent of Jewish (blue) and Arab (green) land ownership in 1947:

     
    Iron Maiden

    Iron Maiden

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    Ironically-enough, most of the landowners from which the Jewish Agency bought land were from the Lebanese aristocracy. Here's a map reflecting the real extent of Jewish (blue) and Arab (green) land ownership in 1947:

    Thx for making my point, rich people from europe bought land and told people who liv there to get gtfo and then asked to get more land in the partition plan itjout even paying for it ??

    They were there since the midfle ages by the billions ??
     
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