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"The Dictatorship of No Alternatives"

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"The Dictatorship of No Alternatives" is a remarkable statement that I came across while reading this article.

A question occurs, especially regarding people who are committed to an ideology, religion, doctrine.. and who are working to shape the world in a certain way. What if you achieved what you work and wish for, and then you yourself change your mind?

Wouldn't this possibility be enough for us to leave a room not only for doubt in our minds, since the religiously or ideologically driven person would wipe out this opportunity for the sake of total submission and "conviction/ faith," wholeheartedly following "the path," but also a room or better to say a bridge to the future?

Aren't we somehow issuing an early order of execution to our future self by canceling the options from the real world when we vehemently and tenaciously seek to change the world in our image?

One would then understand pluralism as not only accepting the Other, as the prevailing line goes, but also a space we create to rescue ourselves from dropping our future self into the dictatorship of no alternatives.
 
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    "The Dictatorship of No Alternatives" is a remarkable statement that I came across while reading this article.

    A question occurs, especially regarding people who are committed to an ideology, religion, doctrine.. and who are working to shape the world in a certain way. What if you achieved what you work and wish for, and then you yourself change your mind?

    Wouldn't this possibility be enough for us to leave a room not only for doubt in our minds, since the religiously or ideologically driven person would wipe out this opportunity for the sake of total submission and "conviction/ faith," wholeheartedly following "the path," but also a room or better to say a bridge to the future?

    Aren't we somehow issuing an early order of execution to our future self by canceling the options from the real world when we vehemently and tenaciously seek to change the world in our image?

    One would then understand pluralism as not only accepting the Other, as the prevailing line goes, but also a space we create to rescue ourselves from dropping our future self into the dictatorship of no alternatives.
    If I understand properly, pluralism can be a consciously lived experience that humans have the agency to control in spite of social changes (like the ubiquity of surveillance tech)? If so, absolutely, humans will always retain the ability to be the masters of their own destiny. However, allow me to simply state that another narrative of this same scenario, sees that humans' ability to control their destiny can be significantly choked by powerful social forces.

    A Brave new World by Aldous Huxley paints a picture of a world where personalization and convenience transmute to create something beyond our control.
     
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    Ralph N

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    Jesus is dead - the word of Allah remains boundless by time and space - till the end of "our human" time
    Jesus didnt die like Muhamad... he went up to heaven in front of all the people so did Marry Mother of Jesus... so stop lying... Muhamad served Satan Jesus is Light and Love...any action from any human being whether his Christian or any other religion any action that is damaging someone by word, physical emotional and spiritual is evil and it only serves Satan...

    Jesus was love.. Muhamad was War killed thousands .... Any Christian or Muslims who killed anyone in his life or encouraged anyone to kill an other person will head to hell....
     
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    Jesus didnt die like Muhamad... he went up to heaven in front of all the people so did Marry Mother of Jesus... so stop lying...
    really ? people saw Jesus go to heaven ? people saw Mariam go to heaven with their own eyes ?
    Muhamad served Satan Jesus is Light and Love...any action from any human being whether his Christian or any other religion any action that is damaging someone by word, physical emotional and spiritual is evil and it only serves Satan...
    so if someone dies in his bed it means Allah is evil?
    Jesus was love.. Muhamad was War killed thousands .... Any Christian or Muslims who killed anyone in his life or encouraged anyone to kill an other person will head to hell....
    according to your logic:
    1-Aoun murderer
    2-Ja3ja3 murderer
    3-Hassan Nassrallah murderer
    4-Crusaders are all murderers
    5-Trump the crusader murderer
    6-israelies are murderers
    7-Jumblat murderer
    8-Lebanese Army murderer
    9-Berry murderer
    etc ....
     
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    Ralph N

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    really ? people saw Jesus go to heaven ? people saw Mariam go to heaven with their own eyes ?

    so if someone dies in his bed it means Allah is evil?

    according to your logic:
    1-Aoun murderer
    2-Ja3ja3 murderer
    3-Hassan Nassrallah murderer
    4-Crusaders are all murderers
    5-Trump the crusader murderer
    6-israelies are murderers
    7-Jumblat murderer
    8-Lebanese Army murderer
    9-Berry murderer
    etc ....
    Sadly yes....

    There is Gandhi thought... And if it happened once, it could happen again...
    Peace and love is the only way...
     
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    Ralph N

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    really ? people saw Jesus go to heaven ? people saw Mariam go to heaven with their own eyes ?
    Yes they did...
    so if someone dies in his bed it means Allah is evil?

    etc ....
    Who is Allah?... Evil is working... Not God...

    Whos your god>? and what is it?... Karma... and soul....
     
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    Sadly yes....
    There is Gandhi thought... And if it happened once, it could happen again...
    Peace and love is the only way...
    ألا أن غاندي ليس من أتباع عيسى أبن مرّيمّ أنما يعبدّ الصنمّ شيفا الذي لا يغني من فقرّ أو جوعّ
     
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    Ralph N

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    ألا أن غاندي ليس من أتباع عيسى أبن مرّيمّ أنما يعبدّ الصنمّ شيفا الذي لا يغني من فقرّ أو جوعّ
    You need to know what Shiva is What Krishna is and what Brahma is and what Vishnu is...
    If you dont know what they are dont judge it...
    He doesnt worship stone or statues... All the religions of the world originated from India... Zaroaster, Judaism, Christianity, Islam..
    The root of every religion is Hinduism... But u need to carefully examine it, dont prejudge it...
     
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    Ralph N

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    Shiva is known as "The Destroyer" within the Trimurti, the Hindu trinity that includes Brahma and Vishnu.[1][12] In Shaivism tradition, Shiva is one of the supreme beings who creates, protects and transforms the universe.[7][8][9] In the Shaktism tradition, the Goddess, or Devi, is described as one of the supreme, yet Shiva is revered along with Vishnu and Brahma. A goddess is stated to be the energy and creative power (Shakti) of each, with Parvati (Sati) the equal complementary partner of Shiva.[13][14] He is one of the five equivalent deities in Panchayatana puja of the Smarta tradition of Hinduism.[10]

    Everything in the Universe is related to three things, Birth, life and death..

    Read the Mahabharata and Bahgavat Gita...

    Shiva is not an evil destroyer, but it means one of the process the universe has to go through...
     
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    Who is Allah?... Evil is working... Not God...
    Whos your god>? and what is it?... Karma... and soul....


    وَهَلْ أَتَاكَ حَدِيثُ مُوسَىٰ (9) إِذْ رَأَىٰ نَارًا فَقَالَ لِأَهْلِهِ امْكُثُوا إِنِّي آنَسْتُ نَارًا لَّعَلِّي آتِيكُم مِّنْهَا بِقَبَسٍ أَوْ أَجِدُ عَلَى النَّارِ هُدًى (10) فَلَمَّا أَتَاهَا نُودِيَ يَا مُوسَىٰ (11) إِنِّي أَنَا رَبُّكَ فَاخْلَعْ نَعْلَيْكَ ۖ إِنَّكَ بِالْوَادِ الْمُقَدَّسِ طُوًى وَأَنَا اخْتَرْتُكَ فَاسْتَمِعْ لِمَا يُوحَىٰ (13) إِنَّنِي أَنَا اللَّهُ لَا إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا أَنَا فَاعْبُدْنِي وَأَقِمِ الصَّلَاةَ لِذِكْرِي (14) إِنَّ السَّاعَةَ آتِيَةٌ أَكَادُ أُخْفِيهَا لِتُجْزَىٰ كُلُّ نَفْسٍ بِمَا تَسْعَىٰ (15) فَلَا يَصُدَّنَّكَ عَنْهَا مَن لَّا يُؤْمِنُ بِهَا وَاتَّبَعَ هَوَاهُ فَتَرْدَىٰ
     
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    Thoma

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    Jesus is dead - the word of Allah remains boundless by time and space - till the end of "our human" time
    Except that Jesus Christ is the Word of God, God in flesh, God himself, and therefore by your own reasoning he cannot be dead, and true to form (and recorded history) he prevailed over death.
     
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    Except that Jesus Christ is the Word of God
    True, so was Moses and those before Moses and those After Moses
    , God in flesh, God himself, and therefore by your own reasoning he cannot be dead, and true to form (and recorded history) he prevailed over death.
    NOT TRUE - Allah cannot be contained in flesh and bone - if the body was not there, that's because the roman soldiers buried him the second day after the crucifix else the body will smell and rodents will be attracted to the location of the dead body
    وَلَمَّا جَاءَ مُوسَىٰ لِمِيقَاتِنَا وَكَلَّمَهُ رَبُّهُ قَالَ رَبِّ أَرِنِي أَنظُرْ إِلَيْكَ ۚ قَالَ لَن تَرَانِي وَلَٰكِنِ انظُرْ إِلَى الْجَبَلِ فَإِنِ اسْتَقَرَّ مَكَانَهُ فَسَوْفَ تَرَانِي ۚ فَلَمَّا تَجَلَّىٰ رَبُّهُ لِلْجَبَلِ جَعَلَهُ دَكًّا وَخَرَّ مُوسَىٰ صَعِقًا ۚ فَلَمَّا أَفَاقَ قَالَ سُبْحَانَكَ تُبْتُ إِلَيْكَ وَأَنَا أَوَّلُ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ
     
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    Thoma

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    True, so was Moses and those before Moses and those After Moses

    NOT TRUE - Allah cannot be contained in flesh and bone - if the body was not there, that's because the roman soldiers buried him the second day after the crucifix else the body will smell and rodents will be attracted to the location of the dead body
    وَلَمَّا جَاءَ مُوسَىٰ لِمِيقَاتِنَا وَكَلَّمَهُ رَبُّهُ قَالَ رَبِّ أَرِنِي أَنظُرْ إِلَيْكَ ۚ قَالَ لَن تَرَانِي وَلَٰكِنِ انظُرْ إِلَى الْجَبَلِ فَإِنِ اسْتَقَرَّ مَكَانَهُ فَسَوْفَ تَرَانِي ۚ فَلَمَّا تَجَلَّىٰ رَبُّهُ لِلْجَبَلِ جَعَلَهُ دَكًّا وَخَرَّ مُوسَىٰ صَعِقًا ۚ فَلَمَّا أَفَاقَ قَالَ سُبْحَانَكَ تُبْتُ إِلَيْكَ وَأَنَا أَوَّلُ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ
    Except that Jesus Christ is the Word of God not only in the aspect characteristic of a prophet, but in the aspect where in the beginning he just was, was with God, and was God, where he was that by and through which all things were made and that without which nothing that was made was made, where he is that which was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and is full of grace and truth.

    You already believe a form of the incarnation in your belief about the Quran. The incarnation doesn't make God 'contained' anymore or any differently than 'what you believe about the Quran' does. Does the belief about the Quran being 'Allah speaking', 'Allah himself in the world (to the exclusion of any creature)' make Allah 'contained'?
     
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    Except that Jesus Christ is the Word of God not only in the aspect characteristic of a prophet, but in the aspect where in the beginning he just was, was with God, and was God, where he was that by and through which all things were made and that without which nothing that was made was made, where he is that which was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and is full of grace and truth.
    did anyone understand anything from the above?!
    does that even make any logic or sense to you? anyone please
    You already believe a form of the incarnation in your belief about the Quran. The incarnation doesn't make God 'contained' anymore or any differently than 'what you believe about the Quran' does. Does the belief about the Quran being 'Allah speaking', 'Allah himself in the world (to the exclusion of any creature)' make Allah 'contained'?
    I didn't understand what do you mean with the above .. did you read what I wrote earlier ? .. you cannot see Allah until you die
     
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    Thoma

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    did anyone understand anything from the above?!
    does that even make any logic or sense to you? anyone please

    I didn't understand what do you mean with the above .. did you read what I wrote earlier ? .. you cannot see Allah until you die
    My reply was in reference to the beginning of John Chapter 1 "(1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God, (2) He was in the beginning with God. (3) All things came to be through him, and without him nothing came to be. (4) What came to be through him was life and this life was the light of the human race. ... (10) He was in the world, and the world came to be through him, but the world did not know him. ... (14) And the Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us, and we saw his glory, the glory as of the Father’s only Son, full of grace and truth."

    In other words, the Word (Logos), which was in the beginning (before creation), was with God, and was God. It was that by and thru which everything that God made was made. It was this Word that took human form and dwelt among us. Jesus is that Word that took human form. Jesus is therefore the Word of God not in the sense of being in essence a created expression of the Word of God (as with any other creature), but in the sense of being himself the Word of God. Jesus is thus God in human form. Through Jesus, God, and no other than God, has spoken and acted in creation. Jesus existed as the Word of God before God ever began to create. Jesus in essence is thus not of the created order by nature but enjoys the fullness of deity (e.g. co-existing with/in God, i.e. existing in essence before, without and independently of creation).

    You cannot object to that on principle without being led to object to your belief about the Quran. Re-read the above paragraph while replacing 'Jesus' with 'Quran', 'himself' with 'itself', 'he' with 'it', and 'human form' with 'book form' and you shall get it.

    Speaking of the devil, the Quran does implicitly and unintentionally affirm this truth when it applies the title 'the word of God' (in all its textual forms; 'a word of God', 'a word from God', 'God's word', 'His word') to Jesus, and to Jesus alone. The Quran further affirms the truth that 'Jesus is the word of God not in the sense of being merely a created expression/transmitter of the word of God, but in the sense of being himself the word of God' by indicating that the word of God did not just come to Jesus from above (revealed to Jesus), as is the case with the prophets (and angels), rather Jesus himself is referred to as a word of God that came from heaven to earth; Jesus is himself a revelation, and not merely a (created) receiver and transmitter of revelation, of God himself to men, Jesus is God communicating himself directly to/with/in creation.

    Jesus therefore is, according to the Quran, a) not only different from all the prophets, but also on par with the Quran (no other prophet has been given the title 'word of God' in the Quran, because none other is, in this sense, this special revelation of God's mind and will), b) that by which alone can we understand the mind and will of God (to know it is to know God), and c) consequently, Jesus and the Quran should be one and the same, in total conformity with each other (which is the opposite case in reality).
     
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