The electronic cigarette: A serious and healthier alternative to tobacco smoking

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Actually it's my fault. I formulated my question in a wrong way. What I meant is, did you consider the Eleaf Istick before deciding on getting the Joye eGrip? (One being the Microsoft of boxes and the other one being the Apple of boxes)
I like the way the eGrip looks a lot, so if I had to choose between them I'd go for the eGrip.

That said, the eGrip is the only one of the two that I actually have available to me, since I get my vaping stuff directly from a vendor in Kuwait when I go to visit my family (http://jawikw.com/e-cigarettes.html?limit=16).

I'm so happy that this setup suited you. I have tried so many, and it is by far my favorite along with the CE5-S with BDC. (You should try it sometimes, just for a change. PS: Don't get the new BVC atomizers yet, get the good old BDC ones. I think they're more reliable at this stage.)
I do plan on getting a new tank, but I also have to replace my battery unfortunately. It fell on the ground HARD a few weeks ago and hasn't been the same since. And they aren't supplying the Evod anymore so I have to get something else :(

Thanks a lot bro . I wouldn't want to put any burden on your kindness but I appreciate it a lot. However, if you need anything (cash or online order) or any help, you can count on me.
It's no burden at all, you have helped me immensely.
 
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  • Abou Sandal

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    Missed this part. I actually ran out of my GLV and started using that new Lebanese vendor in Kaslik (the guy I insulted a few pages back :yo:) to supply my liquid. Not too bad, nothing great, but sufficient.

    BTW are these the atomizers that you mentioned:

    أسپاير ET-S حارق مزدوج - الأتومايزرات
    أسباير سي إي5 حارق مزدوج - الأتومايزرات

    ??

    Are they actually better than the protanks? They're cheaper (obviously more expensive doesn't necessarily mean better but I'm just making sure).
    Yes exactly. Those are the ones.

    The Aspire CE5-S : Aspire CE5-S - Aspire Clearomizers - Aspire - Clearomizers Tanks
    The Aspire ET-S : Aspire ET-S - Aspire Clearomizers - Aspire - Clearomizers Tanks

    They both use these 2 atomizers:

    1- The (old) BDC : Aspire BDC Coils - Aspire Coils - Aspire - Clearomizers Tanks
    2- The (new) BVC: http://sweet-vapes.com/clearomizers-cartomizers-tanks/aspire/aspire-coils/aspire-bvc-coils-1688.html

    Yes they perform like champs and the life of the atomizers is much more extended than that of the Kangers.

    PS: Keep this website address as a reference. It's an excellent site that has everything one might need in a single place. But most importantly, he accepts international orders, with non US credit cards and ships internationally. And that is important.

    As for the liquids, you need to stock up man...That would avoid you the burden of buying from people right after insulting them...lol
     
    Abou Sandal

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    I like the way the eGrip looks a lot, so if I had to choose between them I'd go for the eGrip.
    Yeah me too. Absolutely spot on, even if the eGrip is limited to Joye's atomizers while the Istick is open to any atomizer on the market...Still...beauty has a price. (Which is why I labelled one as Microsoft and the other as Apple...lol)

    That said, the eGrip is the only one of the two that I actually have available to me, since I get my vaping stuff directly from a vendor in Kuwait when I go to visit my family (http://jawikw.com/e-cigarettes.html?limit=16).
    Ah ok...That explains it.

    I do plan on getting a new tank, but I also have to replace my battery unfortunately. It fell on the ground HARD a few weeks ago and hasn't been the same since. And they aren't supplying the Evod anymore so I have to get something else :(
    As a rule, I always rotate 2 batteries while 2 new ones are always sitting in the drawer waiting either for their time, or for an emergency.
    I still get [email protected] a lot because I give away to others to encourage them, and end up being in shortage....lol

    It's no burden at all, you have helped me immensely.
    Don't mention it man. It's a pleasure and I'm really glad to help.

    PS: When you go to Europe or to the US and you need to stock up on E-liquid, go to this website where you can get your order in bulk and receive it within 2 days:

    Freedom to Vape

    The liquid is Hangsen...Still one of the purest and most consistent and most pleasing liquid around...(And forget the Euro ones....they're a waste, except few UK liquids, but those are too expensive to stock on.)
     
    Bandar

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    The eGrip ran out of stock :frown: :crying: I feel like the grinch stole my christmas :(((((
     
    Bandar

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    Abou Sandal; a bit of a stupid question but how long should I expect a clearomizer to last? I don't mean the coils but the clearo itself, the Pyrex and other parts that make up the entire tank (if it matters what clearo we are talking about, it is the MPT3).

    Edit: Also, any idea what the difference is between the EVOD 2 and the EVOD Glass?
     
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    Figured out the difference between the EVOD 2 and EVOD Glass, original question remains :playball:
     
    Abou Sandal

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    @<u><a href="http://www.oroom.org/forum/members/abou-sandal/" target="_blank">Abou Sandal</a></u>; a bit of a stupid question but how long should I expect a clearomizer to last? I don't mean the coils but the clearo itself, the Pyrex and other parts that make up the entire tank (if it matters what clearo we are talking about, it is the MPT3).

    Edit: Also, any idea what the difference is between the EVOD 2 and the EVOD Glass?
    Figured out the difference between the EVOD 2 and EVOD Glass, original question remains :playball:
    Hahaha...Good then.

    As for the first question, it is actually a legitimate question. The answer is: It lasts as long as you don't break any part of it (like by dropping it for example). There is really no time limit here. But parts can indeed break up by falling down. Otherwise, as long as you change your coils, you're good to vape. But on the long run, you'll probably put it away all by yourself out of boredom...lol

    And this is for the second question (Should someone need to know):

     
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    Quit vaping... it is bad for you. (quitting smoking goes without saying :), I wont repeat it) but vaping is also bad for your health, quit it. More motivation is what you need? consider this: It looks goofy as heck :)
     
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    Abou Sandal;

    I'm thinking of getting the Aspire ET-S like you recommended but there's a slight problem - the vendor is only stocking BVC replacement coil heads. Should I just get the EVOD Glass instead or take the risk and get the Aspire?

    Edit: Reviews and forums re: the BVC seem to indicate that it works pretty well...on the other hand if I get the EVOD Glass I can just get ~20 Kanger coil heads that will work both on the MPT3 as well as the EVOD and not have to worry when I get back to Leb...
     
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    jesus christ....me wantsssss it...

     
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    Bandar

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    Because looking like a douche needs accessories
    Really? You're doing a fine job of it and I can't even see if you have any accessories or not. Keep being a sore loser #6, I'm sure your blandness will some day be interesting

    there's no 6th place emoticon so this will do for you: :third:

    now get the **** out of this prestigious thread, you don't belong here boy.

    Edit: I mistook you for the other uninteresting and unremarkable poster Hooksy when I called you 6th place. You actually are 3rd place so the emote fits you perfectly! Congrats on finishing 3rd place and losing to a Haririst on an FPM website you pile of boring shit.
     
    Abou Sandal

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    Abou Sandal;

    I'm thinking of getting the Aspire ET-S like you recommended but there's a slight problem - the vendor is only stocking BVC replacement coil heads. Should I just get the EVOD Glass instead or take the risk and get the Aspire?

    Edit: Reviews and forums re: the BVC seem to indicate that it works pretty well...on the other hand if I get the EVOD Glass I can just get ~20 Kanger coil heads that will work both on the MPT3 as well as the EVOD and not have to worry when I get back to Leb...
    Yes I heard that there is a third improved version of the BVC. (The first was good. The second was supposed to be an improvement but turned out to be the opposite. The third should be quite good) Don't get me wrong, they perform very well and slightly better than the BDC. But it's just that some users complained about flooding problems (probably due to added holes that bring more juice to a more powerful dual combination). This is why I couldn't recommend it...yet. But if the site you'll get yours from has good reviews, it must probably be that he is selling the better version.

    As for the new Kanger coils for the Evod-Glass, what Kanger did, is make them duals to try to reach out the level of the BDC from Aspire specifically. That would give them better performance and extended life, which is exactly where Aspire was leading. And with those new coils, Kanger did indeed succeed. Those new coils can be considered as the twins of the BDC if not the BVC now. So sure I would recommend them, and will probably even be getting some at the first opportunity. So yeah, go ahead and get them...sure. You can always try the Aspire later anyway. (Or not since they're both probably the same as a matter of fact)
     
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    Not that it makes any difference to the fact that it looks like you're swallowing a bullet, but Johnny's always cool.
     
    Abou Sandal

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    Man this is pure BS. That is called an organized lie. Don't just believe anything you read from the press, especially the mainstream one. Do your own diligence and get the truth by yourself.
    Now those who put up such posters with such blatant lies, and really make such efforts in trying to discredit e-cigs, are the real douches, I believe...


    Now here is the reply:


    CASAA responds to untruthful e-cigarette propaganda


    FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 7, 2012

    CASAA recently filed a complaint against Ellen Hahn, director of the Tobacco Policy Research Program and the Clean Indoor Air Partnership including the Kentucky Center for Smoke-free Policy in the College of Nursing, for attempting to influence a hotel to cancel an e-cigarette meet in Lexington, KY. (Hahn also is the Project Director for a Robert Wood Johnson Foundation (NRT manufacturer Johnson & Johnson)-funded project, "Northern Kentucky Clean Indoor Air Collaborative for Healthy Communities.")

    Around the same time, under the guise of an organization called "Tobacco-Free UK," which appears to be a University of Kentucky Tobacco-Free Task Force also headed by Ellen Hahn, a poster began springing up around campus as students were returning to start classes. The poster (shown right) was titled "E-Cigarettes - 3 strikes. You're out." and ridiculously attempted to portray e-cigarettes as having no supporting evidence that they help people quit smoking, will cause cancer and are as harmful as breathing in the fumes of nail polish remover, paint thinner and fluid for "embalming dead bodies."

    CASAA took some time to research the story behind these claims because, unlike Tobacco-free UK, we pride ourselves in disseminating truthful accurate, scientific and sourceable facts. The resulting flyer (shown left) was first conceptualized and then designed to reveal the falsehoods put forth on the TFUK poster. Because CASAA membership is made up completely of volunteers, the flyer was designed on a white background with very little graphics to keep costs down when printing.

    The TFUK poster cited one source for its claims: "E-Cigarettes: Promise or Peril?" co-authored by none other than...Ellen Hahn. So we found the sources listed in her paper and posted them (with actual links) on the corresponding web page for our flyer at casaa.org/TFUK.html. Now you can actually see for yourself how twisted and innacurate the "facts" listed on the TFUK poster really are. If you are in the University of Kentucky area, please help get these counter-flyers out on and around the campus!

    CASAA: CASAA responds to untruthful e-cigarette propaganda
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    Sources for CASAA Counter flyer to Tobacco-Free UK poster

    Quitting
    1. Effect of an electronic nicotine delivery device (e-Cigarette) on smoking reduction and cessation: a prospective 6-month pilot study
    Polosa et al
    BMC Public Health | Full text | Effect of an Electronic Nicotine Delivery Device (e-Cigarette) on Smoking Reduction and Cessation: A Prospective 6-Month Pilot Study

    2. CASAA 2010 E-cigarette User survey
    https://www.surveymonkey.com/sr.aspx?sm=HrpzL8PN5cP366RWhWvCTjggiZM_2b8yQJHfwE9UXRNhE_3d

    Nitrosamines
    Detected: 8 ng
    Nicotine Patch: 8 ng

    3. Safety Report on the Ruyanпї Ѕ e-cigarette Cartridge and Inhaled Aerosol, Murray Laugesen, Health New Zealand
    http://casaa.org/uploads/RuyanCartridgeReport30-Oct-08.pdf

    4. FDA Final Report "Evaluation of e-cigarettes"
    http://casaa.org/uploads/FDA_Evaluation_e-cigarettes.pdf

    5. Technical Review and Analysis of FDA Report: "Evaluation of e-cigarettes", Exponent Health Sciences Response to the FDA Summary
    http://casaa.org/uploads/Exponent_Response-to-the-FDA-Summary.pdf

    6. NJoy Study of TSNAs in Njoy Electronic Cigarette Vapor
    http://casaa.org/uploads/Study_TSNAs_in_NJOY_Vapor.pdf

    7. Electronic cigarettes as a harm reduction strategy for tobacco control: A step forward or a repeat of past mistakes?
    Zachary Cahn & Michael Siegel
    http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/centers-institutes/population-development/files/article.jphp.pdf

    Formaldehyde
    Detected: 0.25 ppm
    OSHA Limit: 0.75 ppm

    3. Safety Report on the Ruyanпї Ѕ e-cigarette Cartridge and Inhaled Aerosol, Murray Laugesen, Health New Zealand
    http://casaa.org/uploads/RuyanCartridgeReport30-Oct-08.pdf

    8. OSHA Formaldehyde Fact Sheet
    http://www.osha.gov/OshDoc/data_General_Facts/formaldehyde-factsheet.pdf

    Acetone
    Detected: 0.16 ppm
    OSHA Limit: 1,000 ppm

    3. Safety Report on the Ruyanпї Ѕ e-cigarette Cartridge and Inhaled Aerosol, Murray Laugesen, Health New Zealand
    http://casaa.org/uploads/RuyanCartridgeReport30-Oct-08.pdf

    9. Toxicologial Profile For Acetone, Section 5.2.1 Air
    Agency for Toxic Substances & Disease Registry
    http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp21.pdf

    10. OSHA Guideline for Acetone
    http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/81-123/pdfs/0004.pdf

    Xylene
    Detected: 0.18 ppm
    OSHA Limit: 100 ppm

    3. Safety Report on the Ruyanпї Ѕ e-cigarette Cartridge and Inhaled Aerosol, Murray Laugesen, Health New Zealand
    http://casaa.org/uploads/RuyanCartridgeReport30-Oct-08.pdf

    11. Occupational Safety and Health Guideline for Xylene
    http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/healthguidelines/xylene/recognition.html


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    "There is no honest content whatsoever in the invocation of what these chemicals are sometimes used for; this information is irrelevant, but the reader is led to assume it is meaningful and to draw the obvious conclusion about what it means. The only reason for including those words is to mislead the reader."
    - Dr. Carl Phillips (http://antithrlies.wordpress.com/2012/08/26/chemophobia)

    "This [Tobacco-Free UK] poster contains a host of misleading statements, a scientific claim without any evidence, and an outright lie, as well as extremely damaging and irresponsible medical advice. "
    - Dr. Michael Siegel (http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/2012/08/tobacco-free-uk-declares-that.html)

    It baffles me that, despite accumulating evidence attesting to the use of e-cigarettes as effective smoking cessation devices, prominent public health organizations continue to emphasize the alleged dangers of allowing these products on the market. They cite the bizarrely unscientific statements attributed to former assistant FDA commissioner Josh Sharfstein in 2009, when he misled smokers trying to quit by targeting ‘carcinogens’ in e-cigarette vapor. Dr. Hahn should be equally ashamed of such irresponsible assertions, which will cost smokers their health and their lives.”
    - Dr. Gilbert Ross, American Council on Science and Health (http://www.acsh.org/factsfears/newsid.3827/news_detail.asp)
     
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