The Exploits, Excesses and Hysteria of the Black Hearted Ziad

Rafidi

Rafidi

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I don't see anything wrong in what he said.
The US is openly stating the plan they are exercising.

And the people will have to decide. The corruption inside the country and the split in politics, in addition to the coming hunger will make it hard for people to keep the fight up.

All of these sentences are only citing the obvious. Where is the problem?
Fighting corruption, and Berri changing his attitude to governance (unfortunately old men dont change) are must. If the US government is serious about fighting corruption, the US should start by dropping its local minions who are the champions of corruption in Lebanon. And according to @Ralph N Berri is "an American agent". So the US has a big role to play in not supporting corrupt people in Lebanon; unfortunately, US allies in Lebanon are the most corrupt. But we wont accept to backstab the resistance under the guise of fighting corruption or fighting hunger. When the resistance rose from the ashes, we were a million times worse than we are today and it succeeded. No economic war, no economic sabotage and blackmail and no pressure or sanction will change that will to make sure we sustain our country. Fighting corruption is not a day's work. It is a continuous process. I, more than any one on this forum have repeatedly called for:

1. Dripping the legal immunity of MPs, ministers and all state and govt officials.

2. To make asset declaration binding and a law on all govt and state officials before and after assuming office.

3. Lifting banking secrecy of all state and govt officials.

4. An independent judiciary by having judges elected, selected or appointed by the judiciary body and not by politicians.

So the fight against corruption and the need for it cannot he overemphasized. It is a national need. But we shouldn't mix that with political and military/defensive demands and needs and threats we face as whole. If one part of Lebanon falls to foreign threat, the entire country will fall.
 
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  • Rafidi

    Rafidi

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    Ya3neh its "payback" time. That is what you are implying. First, this guy said he gave the southerners flour during the war. It prompted a southerner to take some bags of flour and canned food to the FPM office to return the favor. Now, he is overtalking and we are being told we are misinterpreting his message. Tayyeb, let's see if he would be humble enough to clarify. We are living in critical and tough times where such mistakes or misinterpretation should not happen between allies.

    If FPMers think by standing with Hezballah you are doing the Shia a favor, then you are mistaken and shortsighted. The internal hawks cant wait for the right opportunity to undo the FPM and Aoun's legacy. The mifirng of Aswad is a disservice to the FPM before it is hurtful to Hezballah and its popular base.
     
    Dr. Strangelove

    Dr. Strangelove

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    Ya3neh its "payback" time. That is what you are implying. First, this guy said he gave the southerners flour during the war. It prompted a southerner to take some bags of flour and canned food to the FPM office to return the favor. Now, he is overtalking and we are being told we are misinterpreting his message. Tayyeb, let's see if he would be humble enough to clarify. We are living in critical and tough times where such mistakes or misinterpretation should not happen between allies.

    If FPMers think by standing with Hezballah you are doing the Shia a favor, then you are mistaken and shortsighted. The internal hawks cant wait for the right opportunity to undo the FPM and Aoun's legacy. The mifirng of Aswad is a disservice to the FPM before it is hurtful to Hezballah and its popular base.
    No, my friend. It means FPM has respected and honored its alliance with HA, willingly and without return, despite constantly being fed shit by criminals under its umbrella (Berri, Franjieh and others).

    What did the FPM get in return? Red lines not to be crossed? No cooperation during elections (to put it mildly)? A huge political cost? A lack of support in the fight against corruption and building a state?

    HA, whether it understands it or not, has only one real ally - Aoun, Bassil and the FPM. FPM has suffered greatly for this alliance. It is high time HA lived up to its side of the understanding and stood by us for the good of everybody.
     
    Rafidi

    Rafidi

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    No, my friend. It means FPM has respected and honored its alliance with HA, willingly and without return, despite constantly being fed shit by criminals under its umbrella (Berri, Franjieh and others).

    What did the FPM get in return? Red lines not to be crossed? No cooperation during elections (to put it mildly)? A huge political cost? A lack of support in the fight against corruption and building a state?

    HA, whether it understands it or not, has only one real ally - Aoun, Bassil and the FPM. FPM has suffered greatly for this alliance. It is high time HA lived up to its side of the understanding and stood by us for the good of everybody.
    SHN has repeatedly stated that whenever they have observations or any complaint on allies, relay their points privately. They dont go about in the media and sending coded messages across. You guys at a time elevated Hariri to the status of a repentant saint. You also have your shortcomings. If you want an electoral alliance to gain Shia votes, there is a way to go about it quietly. And it is impossible for two different parties to have identical views on all issues.

    And no one is denying the fact that the FPM is the only reliable ally within Lebanon. We know the FPM through Aoun and his brave stances and nationalistic and patriotic speeches that are all embracing. And then SHN convinced his popular base in one of his speeches that Bassil is similar to Aoun and he has a good relationship with him. We dont know who Aswad is. We dont even want to know. He is too temperamental, sectarian and blows unguarded utterances. Even Basil has his disagreements with Aswad. And let's hope his utterance in the OP was a slip of tongue or misinterpreted as you say and let's hope he clarifies what he intended to say for the good of an alliance that is proving over time to be the foundation stone of the future Lebanon.
     
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    Ralph N

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    SHN has repeatedly stated that whenever they have observations or any complaint on allies, relay their points privately. They dont go about in the media and sending coded messages across. You guys at a time elevated Hariri to the status of a repentant saint. You also have your shortcomings. If you want an electoral alliance to gain Shia votes, there is a way to go about it quietly. And it is impossible for two different parties to have identical views on all issues.

    And no one is denying the fact that the FPM is the only reliable ally within Lebanon. We know the FPM through Aoun and his brave stances and nationalistic and patriotic speeches that are all embracing. And then SHN convinced his popular base in one of his speeches that Bassil is similar to Aoun and he has a good relationship with him. We dont know who Aswad is. We dont even want to know. He is too temperamental, sectarian and blows unguarded utterances. Even Basil has his disagreements with Aswad. And let's hope his utterance in the OP was a slip of tongue or misinterpreted as you say and let's hope he clarifies what he intended to say for the good of an alliance that is proving over time to be the foundation stone of the future Lebanon.
    SHN has repeaditly back stabbed MIchel aoun with Ziad Hawat in 2010 and before that, he back stabbed us in ashrafiye, in all elections, he back stabbed wiam wahab, hajje 3emlino eddis la zalame, he is an iranian agent... his loyalty is not for lebanon its for iran.. and FPM was the most trusted and reliable ally you could have had, but you chose the traitor Berri and Frango on FPM and Michel Aoun...

    Stop it, ma hadda ba2a msada2kon.. ma elna jledetkon, frankly people just dont care anymore about israel.... Resistance or no... people dont care... its over... Hizb Alla is over.
     
    Rafidi

    Rafidi

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    SHN has repeaditly back stabbed MIchel aoun with Ziad Hawat in 2010 and before that, he back stabbed us in ashrafiye, in all elections, he back stabbed wiam wahab, hajje 3emlino eddis la zalame, he is an iranian agent... his loyalty is not for lebanon its for iran.. and FPM was the most trusted and reliable ally you could have had, but you chose the traitor Berri and Frango on FPM and Michel Aoun...

    Stop it, ma hadda ba2a msada2kon.. ma elna jledetkon, frankly people just dont care anymore about israel.... Resistance or no... people dont care... its over... Hizb Alla is over.
    You are hilarious. You must really be suffering from that disease Qteish diagnosed and described. :lol:
     
    SeaAb

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    SHN has repeaditly back stabbed MIchel aoun with Ziad Hawat in 2010 and before that, he back stabbed us in ashrafiye, in all elections, he back stabbed wiam wahab, hajje 3emlino eddis la zalame, he is an iranian agent... his loyalty is not for lebanon its for iran.. and FPM was the most trusted and reliable ally you could have had, but you chose the traitor Berri and Frango on FPM and Michel Aoun...

    Stop it, ma hadda ba2a msada2kon.. ma elna jledetkon, frankly people just dont care anymore about israel.... Resistance or no... people dont care... its over... Hizb Alla is over.
    They also extended Sukleen's contract w tarako FPM la7alon in the government voting against it. That was around 10 years ago. w 3edd w 3edd...
     
    AtheistForYeezus

    AtheistForYeezus

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    Can we rename this thread to "The sensible, smart, and refreshingly honest Ziad?"

    Like this thread if you agree. The moderators will change the title once we reach 5 likes.
     
    Tayyar9

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    @Rafidi with all due respect, I think you didn't understand anything about what was said. Read what I attached, that's a shia expalining what Ziad meant. FPM never did and will never backstab anyone. We are the ones getting backstabbed by the silence of HA regarding corruption issues. It's time for HA to understand that we can't live with this corruption any longer. It's not FPM or the President that will stop supporting HA, it's the people. When the people will have no more food on the table, they won't listen to anyone anymore, you won't be able to explain to them anything anymore.
     

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    Ralph N

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    You are hilarious. You must really be suffering from that disease Qteish diagnosed and described. :lol:
    That was your reply for betraying us? ... good you admit your betrayels...
     
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    Ralph N

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    شعب غدار ضيعان الوفا معن

    روحو يبقى بري ينفعكن بالحرب الجاي


    15 years and you back stab FPM and Aoun... khalasna ba2a... Lik hatta wiam wahab ta3anto bi dahro... lik ento sermeyet jumblat betla3ebkon. jabarkon tentekhbo hmede w ekher shi ta3ankon bi daherkon lehmar weke3 bel 2005 bas la2ano hmar X 10 we2e3 bel 2018 kamen... ghaddarin, ento ma btestehalo ykoun 3endkon awfiya.. ghadarin... alla la yesemehkon.

    Sha3eb kezeb 3emel halo Lebnene ... ento kezebin ya iraniye... rehto 3a souria 3alla haleb kermel bashar kermel iran.. bas hone bi lebnen ma 2edretro trabou la beri... w nehna badna nsade2kon...

    Ento ghaddarin.
     
    SeaAb

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    شعب غدار ضيعان الوفا معن
    روحو يبقى بري ينفعكن بالحرب الجاي
    In the next war, if it happens, FPMers will always side with Lebanese. Ma khass hayde b hay...
     
    Iron Maiden

    Iron Maiden

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    SHN has repeatedly stated that whenever they have observations or any complaint on allies, relay their points privately. They dont go about in the media and sending coded messages across. You guys at a time elevated Hariri to the status of a repentant saint. You also have your shortcomings. If you want an electoral alliance to gain Shia votes, there is a way to go about it quietly. And it is impossible for two different parties to have identical views on all issues.

    And no one is denying the fact that the FPM is the only reliable ally within Lebanon. We know the FPM through Aoun and his brave stances and nationalistic and patriotic speeches that are all embracing. And then SHN convinced his popular base in one of his speeches that Bassil is similar to Aoun and he has a good relationship with him. We dont know who Aswad is. We dont even want to know. He is too temperamental, sectarian and blows unguarded utterances. Even Basil has his disagreements with Aswad. And let's hope his utterance in the OP was a slip of tongue or misinterpreted as you say and let's hope he clarifies what he intended to say for the good of an alliance that is proving over time to be the foundation stone of the future Lebanon.
    SHN in his last tv speech spoke for an hour abt syria abd the region.
    the priorities of a lebanese party cannot at this time be so out of touch with the realities of the ground. time to put one’s balls on the table, either fix this damn state or just keep watching it crumble and fall into anarchy and lose your mantle.

    what ziad did was a mere wake up call, its like ur alarm clock when it belches at 7am, its very annoying but u need to hear it :)
     
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