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The French Initiative [Saad Hariri renamed as PM]

Rafidi

Legendary Member
And both of them are willing to let go of these ministries. The constitution doesn't say a sect can own a ministry. Sleiman Franjieh was once a minister of interior and Marwan Hmadeh was an Energy minister. No sect has any right on any ministry.

When will you accept to let go of the PM post for your sect?
 

Rafidi

Legendary Member
Bassil has an inferiority complex bigger than the entire country. Saad forming a government without him is the biggest slap bassil can ever take specially with the parliamentary majority and the presidency he has.

Basil caused it for himself. He started shifting from his allies.

I told them on this forum a while back. That without their alliance with Hezbollah they will lose everything. Aoun will end his tenure in 2 years. And you will find yourselves out of government like in 2005. The FPMers have a weak memory. Hezballah literally got the FPM into govt after Doha. The more they are given, the more they want. They are insatiable. Always crying for a bone to remain happy. Otherwise, they attack their friends and foes alike.

There is no other solution than accepting Saad Hariri to form a new govt. FPMers once called him a reform democrat. Give him another chance. Basil is not the president or PM. He doesnt have to be in govt.
 

Weezy

Well-Known Member
Basil caused it for himself. He started shifting from his allies.

I told them on this forum a while back. That without their alliance with Hezbollah they will lose everything. Aoun will end his tenure in 2 years. And you will find yourselves out of government like in 2005. The FPMers have a weak memory. Hezballah literally got the FPM into govt after Doha. The more they are given, the more they want. They are insatiable. Always crying for a bone to remain happy. Otherwise, they attack their friends and foes alike.

There is no other solution than accepting Saad Hariri to form a new govt. FPMers once called him a reform democrat. Give him another chance. Basil is not the president or PM. He doesnt have to be in govt.

Hezb won't be able to save them this time. In the next elections they're losing big time. LF will get some 25 MPs
 

TayyarBeino

Legendary Member

المجلس السياسي للتيار أجمع على عدم تسمية الحريري: لتشكيل حكومة مهمة يكون رئيسها ووزرائها من أهل الإختصاص


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OCTOBER
2020

عقد المجلس السياسي للتيار الوطني الحر إجتماعه الدوري إلكترونيًا برئاسة رئيس التيار النائب جبران باسيل وبعد مناقشة جدول أعماله أصدر البيان الآتي:
١- يؤكد المجلس تمسُّكه بالمبادرة الفرنسية وبتشكيل حكومة مهمة يكون رئيسها ووزرائها من أهل الإختصاص وتكون إصلاحية منتجة وفاعلة برئيسها ووزرائها وبرنامجها، على أن تدعمها الكتل النيابية. وإستنادًا الى ذلك أجمع المجلس السياسي على عدم تسمية دولة الرئيس سعد الحريري لرئاسة الحكومة بإعتباره ليس صاحب إختصاص مع تأكيد الإحترام لشخصه ولموقعه التمثيلي والسياسي. ويرفض المجلس السياسي تسخيف الخلاف حول هذه النقطة بتصويره خلافًا شخصيًا يمكن حلّه بلقاء أو بإتصال هاتفي، كما يرفض تحوير موقف التيار في الإعلام والسياسة من خلال حملة ممنهجة تصوّر موقفه وكأنه متوقف على إتصال سياسي لم يطلبه التيار أصلاً بل جاء التداول فيه نتيجة حملة إتصالات قام بها تيار المستقبل ورئيسه ونتيجة فبركات سياسية إعلامية صار التسويق لها. إن هذا كله لن يغيّر في موقف التيار أساسًا لأن عمق الموقف نابع من وجوب إعتماد معايير واحدة لتشكيل الحكومة:
• إذا كانت حكومة إختصاصيين فيجب أن ينطبق هذا المعيار على رئيسها ووزرائها معًا.
• إذا كانت حكومة سياسية أو تكنوسياسية فإن معيار التمثيل السياسي يجب أن تنطبق على كل مكوناتها وفقًا لقوا


التيار ورئيسه وكأنه ممنوع عليهم أن يمتلكوا حرية الإختيار بدعم أو عدم دعم هذه الشخصية السياسية أو تلك، تحت طائلة إتهامهم بالعرقلة.
إن قرار رئيس الجمهورية بتأجيل الإستشارات أمرٌ يعود له، لكنه في مطلق الأحوال لن يُغيّر في موقف التيار، وفي الوقت نفسه يؤكد التيار الوطني الحر على تمسكه بإستمرار الحوار مع تيار المستقبل وهو سيعمل على تطويره تنفيذًا للبرنامج الإصلاحي تبعًا لما تم الإتفاق عليه في خلال زيارة وفد المستقبل للمقر المركزي للتيار قبل أيام.
٢- لاحظ المجلس السياسي إستمرار المحاولات السياسية والإعلامية اليائسة لإحداث فراق سياسي بين التيار الوطني الحر وحزب الله، وهي محاولات لم تتوقف منذ عقد التفاهم بينهما قبل 14 سنة، وهو تفاهم لا يمكن تجاوز أبعاده الوطنية. أما المواضيع التي يختلف الطرفان بشأنها فقد أصبحت معروفة، وعلى الرغم من أسف التيار لعدم معالجتها مما يفوت على لبنان الفرص لضرب الفساد، وفقدان قوة دفع لبناء الدولة، إلا أن هذا لا يلغي ثابتة أن تفاهم مار مخايل حمى لبنان ووحدته من إعتداءات إسرائيل ومن الإرهاب وسيبقى عاملًا أساسيًا من عوامل قوة لبنان.
٣- ابدى المجلس السياسي إرتياحه لإطلاق مفاوضات ترسيم الحدود البحرية والبرية وهو يعتبرها وسيلة ممكنة من أجل الحفاظ على حقوق لبنان في حال أحسَنَ المفاوض اللبناني إستخدامها لتحصيل ما تم الإستهتار به وإهماله في السابق. كما يعتبر المجلس أن إعتماد لبنان على القانون الدولي لتثبيت حقوقه في ثرواته والإفادة منها هو مدخل لبناء الإستقرار والسلام، في حال تخلّت إسرائيل عن منطق القوّة وقبلت بأحكام القانون الدولي ورضخت لمنطق الحق.
٤- يحذّر المجلس السياسي من الإجراءات التي تمنع المودعين من الحصول على أموالهم بالليرة اللبنانية بعدما حرمهم الإنهيار من الحصول على أموالهم بالعملات الأجنبية ويؤكد المجلس أن المضيّ بهذه الإجراءات سيرتّب تصاعد النقمة الشعبيّة والتيار لن يكون إلا بجانب الناس، وسيدرس كل الخطوات والإجراءات التي يمكن القيام بها.
٥- ناقش المجلس السياسي كيفية تطوير وتفعيل إستراتيجية التيار في مكافحة الفساد، وأكد تصميمه على بذل كل الجهود الممكنة لإقرار القوانين الإصلاحية في مجلس النواب ولا سيما المتصلة بمكافحة الفساد، وعلى إستمرار كل مساعيه لتحريك ملفات الفساد العالقة في القضاء والتدقيق المالي في وجه كل محاولات إيقافه.
 

TayyarBeino

Legendary Member
@billnizzam2020

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10h

بعد ٣٠ سنة على ١٩٩٠ وبعد ١٥ سنة من الانسحاب السوري في حدن مصدق انه اذا جمع ٢٢ صوت مسيحي من النواب المسيحيين التابعين لبري وجنبلاط والحريري و المردة والنواب الارمن بيرجع يركب سيبة حكم سنية شيعية درزية متل ايام التسعينات لك حتى الفرزلي رجع ينشط بدن ايام عنجر من دون غازي كنعان
 

TayyarBeino

Legendary Member

اللواء ابراهيم: لم ألمس أي رأي أميركيّ بأي شخصيّة لترؤس الحكومة اللبنانية

السبت ١٧ تشرين الأول ٢٠٢٠ 14:17سياسة


كشف المدير العام للأمن العام اللواء عباس ابراهيم انه لم يلمس أي رأي أميركيّ بأي شخصيّة لترؤس الحكومة اللبنانية.


وأكّد في حديث تلفزيوني انّ زيارته واشنطن كانت ناجحة ولها طابع أمنيّ. وقال: "لا أحمل أي رسالة سياسيّة أميركيّة الى المسؤولين اللبنانيّين ولمست كل حرص على استقرار لبنان وعلى الإسراع في تشكيل الحكومة، غير أنّني لم ألمس أي رأي أميركيّ بأي شخصيّة لترؤس الحكومة اللبنانية".
وأضاف: "لم يتمّ التطرّق الى موضوع "حزب الله" خلال زيارتي واشنطن والعنوان الأساس هو الإسراع في تشكيل الحكومة".
 

TayyarBeino

Legendary Member
@wiamwahhab

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5m

فتشوا عما قاله شنكر في لقاءاته .هناك شيء تغير في الموقف الأميركي . بعد الإنتخابات يمكن أن نتأكد إذا كان تغييراً فعلياً أم غيمة صيف.
 

TayyarBeino

Legendary Member
قال القيادي في تيار المستقبل مصطفى علوش: "فلنذهب إلى الاستشارات يوم الخميس فإما ان يكلَّف الرئيس سعيد الحريري بتشكيل الحكومة أو يشكلون الحكومة التي يريدون".

وعن موقف المملكة العربية السعودية من ترشيح الحريري، كشف علوش عبر صحيفة "الأنباء الإلكترونية" أن "الاتصالات بين الحريري والرياض متوقفة، وهو يتواصل مع السعودية من خلال الرئيس ماكرون، لكنهم في المقابل يشترطون على الحريري لعودة العلاقة معه تشكيل حكومة من دون حزب الله".

 

Lebnaouneh

Legendary Member
قال القيادي في تيار المستقبل مصطفى علوش: "فلنذهب إلى الاستشارات يوم الخميس فإما ان يكلَّف الرئيس سعيد الحريري بتشكيل الحكومة أو يشكلون الحكومة التي يريدون".

وعن موقف المملكة العربية السعودية من ترشيح الحريري، كشف علوش عبر صحيفة "الأنباء الإلكترونية" أن "الاتصالات بين الحريري والرياض متوقفة، وهو يتواصل مع السعودية من خلال الرئيس ماكرون، لكنهم في المقابل يشترطون على الحريري لعودة العلاقة معه تشكيل حكومة من دون حزب الله".

So both US and KSA are putting a condition on Hariri to have a government without Hezbollah
Meaning either Hariri joins mumana3a camp or no government, am I right?
 

agnostic

Legendary Member
So both US and KSA are putting a condition on Hariri to have a government without Hezbollah
Meaning either Hariri joins mumana3a camp or no government, am I right?
This is not new. They can just consider to have won and that HA is out of the government. Such mentalities can never conceive losing or being wrong.

Anyway Americans are not insisting anymore in excluding HA from the Lebanese government...
 

HalaMadrid

Well-Known Member
Orange Room Supporter
no, not blindly, impose conditions if you must. Going back to the old formula is not a solution, Hariri is 100% right about that. For the record hariri is definitely not my first choice as PM, but i would atleast like to see his proposal. Who are these ministers hariri wants to appoint? We havent time to waste.
How is this not the very definition of going back to the old formula? When does your definition of "old" start? What could he possibly propose that would be acceptable? Because his proposal as far as I can tell is "bring me back and I'll give *some* of you your shares." The very definition of time wasting.

For the record on my part, I know quite well he's definitely coming back with the support of HA, PSP, and AMAL as the white knight, I just don't understand how we can pretend like that's some kind of positive development lol.
 

zero

Member
How is this not the very definition of going back to the old formula? When does your definition of "old" start? What could he possibly propose that would be acceptable? Because his proposal as far as I can tell is "bring me back and I'll give *some* of you your shares." The very definition of time wasting.

For the record on my part, I know quite well he's definitely coming back with the support of HA, PSP, and AMAL as the white knight, I just don't understand how we can pretend like that's some kind of positive development lol.
Like i said i would like to see what he proposes first in terms of appointed ministers before jumping to conclusions. I definitely dont prefer hariri but with the right ministers+ a conditional 6 month term+ transparency i would be okay with it for now considering our country is on the edge of total collapse. What would you like to see happen? Be more specific than "i dont want hariri".
 

Raficoo

Well-Known Member



BEIRUT: French President Emmanuel Macron is outraged by Lebanese political leaders’ failure to act quickly to form a new government to deliver reforms and has therefore decided to wash his hands of the Lebanese crisis for now, a Western diplomatic source said Sunday.

However, despite Macron’s frustration with rival Lebanese politicians’ lack of seriousness in dealing with the country’s worst economic and financial crunch in decades, the French initiative to rescue Lebanon from a series of multiple crises is still alive, the source told The Daily Star.

“President Macron has washed his hands of the Lebanese crisis, in a move reflecting his disappointment with Lebanon’s political leaders’ continued obstruction of the formation of a new government to enact urgent reforms. He has relegated to the French cell of former French ambassadors who served in Lebanon the job of following up on the implementation of the French initiative to save Lebanon,” the source said.

Macron’s fiery stance came after President Michel Aoun this week suddenly postponed until Oct. 22 binding parliamentary consultations to designate a new prime minister that were set to take place Thursday, apparently due to a lack of strong Christian support for former Prime Minister Saad Hariri’s nomination.

Hariri had appeared assured of gaining the support of a parliamentary majority sufficient to designate him to form a new government despite opposition from the two main Christian blocs -- the Free Patriotic Movement and the Lebanese Forces. Hariri, backed by France and regional powers, had emerged as the favorite candidate to form the next government in the absence of a serious Sunni rival.

Aoun cited what he called “difficulties that need to be resolved” for his decision to postpone the parliamentary consultations. But Future Movement MP Assem Araji had told The Daily Star that Aoun acted at FPM leader MP Gebran Bassil’s behest to postpone the parliamentary consultations in a bid to block Hariri’s designation for the premiership.

A source at Baabda Palace Sunday said the binding consultations would go ahead as scheduled Thursday. “So far, the consultations will take place as planned on Thursday. Barring last-minute hitches, Prime Minister Hariri is expected to be designated as prime minister Thursday,” the source told The Daily Star.

The source said he was unaware of any direct or indirect contacts between Hariri and Bassil in a last-ditch attempt to facilitate the formation of a new government after the FPM leader had declared that his parliamentary bloc would not nominate Hariri for the premiership.

In what appeared to be the first reaction to Aoun’s postponement of the parliamentary consultations to designate a new prime minister, France Saturday renewed its calls for Lebanese leaders to form a government, stressing it was time to “choose advancement rather than paralysis and chaos.”

The French Foreign Ministry reportedly said in a statement that the formation of a government “capable of implementing necessary reforms remains postponed, despite promises that all Lebanese political forces have reaffirmed.”

France held Lebanon’s political authorities responsible for “the prolonged obstruction that prevents any response to the demands expressed by the Lebanese,” adding that Paris is “ready to assist Lebanon in reforms that would mobilize the international community.”

In a press conference in Paris on Sept. 27, a day after Prime Minister-designate Mustapha Adib stepped down after failing to form a small Cabinet of nonpartisan experts, Macron blasted Lebanon’s political leaders, accusing them of “collective betrayal” over their failure to form a new government, but he gave them another four to six weeks to implement the road map proposed by France to avert the country’s total collapse.

Despite Bassil’s escalation against Hariri’s nomination for the country’s top Sunni post, a senior Future source said the ex-premier would not bow out of the premiership race.

“Prime Minister Hariri will not withdraw from the premiership race. He is resolved to form a small Cabinet of non-partisan specialists to implement the reform program agreed upon by Lebanese political leaders during their meeting with President Macron at the Pine Palace [Sept. 1],” the Future source told The Daily Star Sunday, referring to the French ambassador’s official residence in Beirut.

Asked about the prospects of contacts between Hariri and Bassil, whose ties with the head of the Future Movement have been strained since last year, in a bid to break the ice between them, the source said: “Nothing will change from now until the date of the binding parliamentary consultations.”

Does the Future Movement fear another postponement of Thursday’s parliamentary consultations to pick a new prime minister, the source said: “We will not comment. We are waiting for Thursday’s consultations.”

In a toughening of its position against Hariri, the FPM renewed its rejection to nominate the former prime minister for the premiership, while reiterating its support for the French initiative.

“The [FPM’s] Political Council affirms its adherence to the French initiative and the formation of a mission government, whose head and ministers are specialists, a Cabinet with a reformist program, whose head and ministers are productive and effective,” said a statement issued after an electronic meeting of the FPM’s Political Council chaired by Bassil Saturday.

“The Political Council unanimously agreed not to nominate Prime Minister Saad Hariri for the premiership because he is not a specialist, while stressing the respect for his person and representative and political position,” the statement said.

The statement rejected accusations that the FPM and Bassil were obstructing the government formation, saying such accusations were part of a campaign targeting the FPM and its leader. The statement said that postponing parliamentary consultations would not change the FPM’s stance on Hariri’s nomination.

The delayed consultations were meant to poll parliamentary blocs on their choice for a new prime minister, after Adib stepped down last month in a move that has thrown the country into uncertainty and cast gloom on the French initiative to rescue Lebanon.

Lebanon has been left without a fully functioning government since caretaker Prime Minister Hassan Diab submitted his Cabinet’s resignation on Aug. 10 over the Beirut Port explosion.

Maronite Patriarch Bechara al-Rai Sunday slammed Lebanon’s political leaders for delaying the government formation and accused them of plunging the country into a state of “paralysis.” Rai called out the country’s leaders during his sermon asking, “Who has the luxury of time to delay parliamentary consultations and the formation of a government?”

He added that the leaders should keep their hands off the government, questioning their actions with regards to the Constitution, the Taif Accord and the lives of the Lebanese people. “You are responsible for throwing the country into a state of complete paralysis,” Rai said, addressing politicians. “The responsibility is collective.”

The patriarch further criticized the ruling class by saying they are deliberately ignoring the demands of the people, who have lost confidence in them and the Lebanese state.
 

TayyarBeino

Legendary Member
@ZiadAssouad

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8h

استقالة بحجة مطلب شعبي ثم انهيار عام لكل الدولة بتوقيت مريب،عودة للترشح بعد بروز الاموال من الخارج ،فتحاصص بين حلفاء ومتخاصمين وتقاسم وزارات،ولكن عندما وصل الدور الى الحصة المسيحية يطلبون منهم الترفع والتعبد لنظريات مبدئية عن حسن الادارة والسلوك العام.. فبيطير المسيحي وبيبقوا هني
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يللي بدو يخلص لبنان ما كان فيه يخلصو قبل ما يستعين بالفرنسي او دايما بدنا حدا يمسكنا بأيدينا
dada dada
.دخلك خلص شركاتك و بعدين تمرن فينا
 
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