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The French Initiative [Saad Hariri renamed as PM]

Resign

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He has to sign it, he has no choice. if he doesn't, he'll be hammered all day long for obstructing the French initiative and the flow of billions of dollars from the West. MTV will blast it all day long that he wants to destroy the country to pave the way for HA's regime change. Nothing will change with this government and people will still curse him for being a failure of a President after hyping up his "3ahed" so much and doing nothing to make it a reality. It's a catch 22, but something to work with is better than nothing.

Dude...
Look at Gebran Bassil now
He’s licking Hariri’s boots to give him a seat at the table.
Their problem with Hariri was purely about positions that’s it.
Hariri gives them their seats, Aoun signs
As simple as that.
 

oldschool

Active Member
He has to sign it, he has no choice. if he doesn't, he'll be hammered all day long for obstructing the French initiative and the flow of billions of dollars from the West. MTV will blast it all day long that he wants to destroy the country to pave the way for HA's regime change. Nothing will change with this government and people will still curse him for being a failure of a President after hyping up his "3ahed" so much and doing nothing to make it a reality. It's a catch 22, but something to work with is better than nothing.

You really don’t know aoun or history
 

oldschool

Active Member
You think he won't sign?
A government that excludes him and fpm but includes other sects/parties?

I think he would never sign it.

What in his life history or past makes you think he would sign it? When has he ever done something like that? The guy stood his ground when Israel/Syria/the United States armies were threatening him, when he was exiled, when he came back and they tried to corner him by painting him as Syrian and give him less deputies, when he made the MoU with Hezballah, when the presidential elections happened and everyone thought frangiye had it, etc...

He has never accepted to be bullied into any position by anyone.

Even if they tell him it’s either that or a collapse, he knows excluding the Christians and having a new troika is a collapse on its own and far bigger and more dangerous. He will make concessions on number and who ministers are but nothing more, imo.
 

The_FPMer

Well-Known Member
A government that excludes him and fpm but includes other sects/parties?

I think he would never sign it.

What in his life history or past makes you think he would sign it? When has he ever done something like that? The guy stood his ground when Israel/Syria/the United States armies were threatening him, when he was exiled, when he came back and they tried to corner him by painting him as Syrian and give him less deputies, when he made the MoU with Hezballah, when the presidential elections happened and everyone thought frangiye had it, etc...

He has never accepted to be bullied into any position by anyone.

Even if they tell him it’s either that or a collapse, he knows excluding the Christians and having a new troika is a collapse on its own and far bigger and more dangerous. He will make concessions on number and who ministers are but nothing more, imo.
I frankly don't believe he'll be excluded at all but that is beside the point. So what if they give him his expected seats in government if the result will be as atrocious as previous governments? He shouldn't sign based on it being "business as usual" and not ma 3atou 7ossto.
 

oldschool

Active Member
I frankly don't believe he'll be excluded at all but that is beside the point. So what if they give him his expected seats in government if the result will be as atrocious as previous governments? He shouldn't sign based on it being "business as usual" and not ma 3atou 7ossto.
What are you expecting?

A government of independants? Who? Who will choose them? What do you do when shiites say they want to chose their representatives? What do you do when sunnis say the same?

What is your leverage to bring such a government? Who will support it? Even if you somehow find these independants, what will you do if Berri sabotages everything they do? Diab was backed by Hezballa and still Berri sabotaged him...

What happens if such a government takes a decision to cut da3em for example, and lets say the shiite parties go on demos and close their areas. What would a government do?


The only way that wouldve been possible is if in October 17 the revolutionaries (who i dont believe exist anyway), had formed a leadership and went up to the president with a clear list of demands and names and pressured on the streets for these. And even then the parties hadnt yet played any of their cards.

we are a country with tribal corrupt minded people and any government will be a reflection of that or you need an overwhelming outside force.
 

HalaMadrid

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The protests at the embassy is one example of the silly machismo decision-making by Christians leaders. No, the protests didn't singlehandedly lead to the ruins of the Lebanese Christians, but they were a clear signal to the Americans that Geagea and Aoun are not legitimate players and therefore they got eventually sidelined.
The American administrations that think juan guidao is a serious player in Venezuela? That's what you posit American policy is based on?
 

Viral

Active Member
Yeah old video, If I was Yazbek Wehbeh, i would have dropped the mic and punch him on his face as a lebanese citizen, shu hal 7aqir hayda!
Too bad we gave those retards more air time than those who were trying to make senses.
As far as I’m concerned, anyone who opens his mouth and mentions thwara again should be punched in the face and have his teeth broken…
 

TayyarBeino

Legendary Member
كشف عضو كتلة التنمية والتحرير النائب قاسم هاشم أن "الحكومة ستكون شبه تكنو سياسية لكن بوزراء ذوي اختصاص بخلفيات سياسية ستسميهم الكتل ويختار منهم الرئيس المكلف مع رئيس الجمهورية والامر سينسحب على كل الكتل".

وفي حديث للـ
OTV،
نوّه هاشم بأن "الاجواء الحكومية ايجابية والنوايا جيدة لدى مختلف الكتل، وهناك تفاهم شبه نهائي حول صورة الحكومة، ومن هنا حتى نهاية الاسبوع قد نكون امام حكومة".

وأعلن في هذا الخصوص،أن "اتجاه الحكومة ان تكون من 20 وزيرًا ووزارة المال باتت خارج النقاش وستكون من حصة التنمية والتحرير بإسم غير حزبي والمداورة مطروحة على الحقائب الاخرى والنقاش فيها بدأ".

أشار هاشم إلى أن "رئيس المجلس النيابي نبيه بري لعب دورًا وسيطا بين الرئيس المكلف بتشكيل الحكومة سعد الحريري ورئيس التيار الوطني الحر جبران باسيل لتقريب وجهات النظر وكي يشارك باسيل بالاستشارات النيابية غير الملزمة، واتوقع ان يعرض الحريري تصوره الحكومي خلال 48 ساعة".

 

SoFP1

The Chosen One
Orange Room Supporter
كشف عضو كتلة التنمية والتحرير النائب قاسم هاشم أن "الحكومة ستكون شبه تكنو سياسية لكن بوزراء ذوي اختصاص بخلفيات سياسية ستسميهم الكتل ويختار منهم الرئيس المكلف مع رئيس الجمهورية والامر سينسحب على كل الكتل".

وفي حديث للـ
OTV،
نوّه هاشم بأن "الاجواء الحكومية ايجابية والنوايا جيدة لدى مختلف الكتل، وهناك تفاهم شبه نهائي حول صورة الحكومة، ومن هنا حتى نهاية الاسبوع قد نكون امام حكومة".

وأعلن في هذا الخصوص،أن "اتجاه الحكومة ان تكون من 20 وزيرًا ووزارة المال باتت خارج النقاش وستكون من حصة التنمية والتحرير بإسم غير حزبي والمداورة مطروحة على الحقائب الاخرى والنقاش فيها بدأ".

أشار هاشم إلى أن "رئيس المجلس النيابي نبيه بري لعب دورًا وسيطا بين الرئيس المكلف بتشكيل الحكومة سعد الحريري ورئيس التيار الوطني الحر جبران باسيل لتقريب وجهات النظر وكي يشارك باسيل بالاستشارات النيابية غير الملزمة، واتوقع ان يعرض الحريري تصوره الحكومي خلال 48 ساعة".

What was all this commotion about MOF/Shia for at the Adib formation stage? If the MOF was 100% with Shia/Berri, why didn't they just go with Adib? We lost valuable time for no reason whatsoever. This is beyond stupid. Thank God I'm leaving this dump.
 

TayyarBeino

Legendary Member

هل تبصر الحكومة النور هذا الأسبوع؟ هذا ما كشفه الإعلامي حسّان الحسن​


26
OCTOBER
2020​

 

TayyarBeino

Legendary Member
20:09 - مصادر للـ mtv:
جنبلاط قد لا يُعطى الا حقيبة واحدة في الحكومة بينما يصرّ ارسلان على التمثّل على الرغم من مقاطعته للاستشارات
20:07 - مصادر للـ mtv:
التواصل مستمرّ بين بري والحريري وهناك استبعاد لتشكيل الحكومة هذا الأسبوع وحزب الله يصرّ على التمسّك بحقيبة الصحة التي يطالب بها أيضاً جنبلاط
 
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