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The French Initiative [Saad Hariri renamed as PM]

Rafidi

Legendary Member
Funny you were trashing HA/Amal for demanding that last time with Adib hahahah

Our leaders are like wild animals toward the people. Most of them. They have immunity from prosecution and they feel big and invincible. No laws to hold them accountable and responsible and no rules to put pressure on them to work and achieve certain results and outcomes within a timeframe. So they do as they like and how they like and when, and through foreign influences and they dont care people are suffering, jobless or dying from hunger. And these are the same animals who want the resistance to hand over its weapons to them. An incompetent bulk of a$$holes. You cant wipe your nasty @$$e$ without directives from abroad or without sectarian permutations. You think you can face a strong enemy that is way more discipline than you? Of course, the call for the resistance to hand over its weapons has always been the directive given to you as tools and not because you want to assume the role of responsible leaders to defend the country; but rather to have it surrender as your foreign masters demand. It is a sad reality a successful resistance movement is part of such govts with filthy men and restrained by sectarian equations and balances. Most of these goats need to be flushed out.
 

TayyarBeino

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@joellebouyounes

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امام الوضع المتأزم...بعبدا قد تتحرك بالساعات ال٤٨ المقبلة ومواقف من المأزق الحكومي مهمة مرتقبة لرئيس الجمهورية بكلمته للبنانيين برسالة الاستقلال...
 

TayyarBeino

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@Nada_Andraos

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١/ اللقاء السري الذي حصل بين رئيس الجمهورية ورئيس الحكومة المكلف كان عاصفا، عرض الاخير على عون حكومة من ١٨ وزيراً واصر على تسمية الوزراء المسيحيين فيها واعطاء الرئيس خيار تسمية وزيرين للخارجية والدفاع فرفع الرئيس الجلسة وانتهى اللقاء اللااتفاق.
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٢/ مصادر واسعة الاطلاع اعتبرت أن الحريري يمارس لعبة من لعبتين اما محاولة العودة إلى الهيمنة على الحكومة وبالتحديد على الوزراء المسيحيين كما في زمن الوصاية السورية أو الهروب إلى الأمام لكي لا يشكل خوفا من تطورات معينة
 

Rafidi

Legendary Member
Funny you were trashing HA/Amal for demanding that last time with Adib hahahah

As much as I would want to agree with you and pinch FPMers, but we need to understand, as supporters of FPM and the Resistance that our interests are mutual and complementary.

It is time we realize that we both are targeted for our nationalistic principles and ideals. And it is time we stop bickering and stop attacking ourselves.

The first demand for the rogues, as directed by their foreign masters is to ensure Hezballah is out of the government.

They wanted the largest and most popular and most powerful party in Lebanon to be out of the government. They want to disenfranchise the Lebanese. This of course did not work.

The next demand Saad Hariri proposed was a govt of professionals or specialists.

His demand, through Adib was to name all the specialist ministers. Or for the former PMs to name the Shia and Sunni and Druze as well as Suni ministers.

This would have automatically being a coup against the parliamentary majority and a slap to the president, who would have been forced to sign a govt formed and led by the parliamentary minority. This didnt work out and Adib resigned.

Now Saad Hariri has come with another scheme. He cant exclude Hezballah. He cant name all the ministers. So his demand is to name the Christian ministers and exclude the FPM. The demand now is against FPM but the target is still Hezballah.

The question is why does Saad want to name Christian ministers? Is Saad Hariri a Christian? What is his business with naming Christian ministers when all other major parties in their respective sects are naming their ministers? Why this insistence to exclude the FPM, which has most Christian MPs? Why this attempt at marginalizing a major party in the country?

In my opinion, the target is the same. The mean is different. His goal is still to form a govt that meets the description of Geagea. Geagea has repeatedly said that for as long as this current parliament majority exist, there is no solution. The goal is still to stage a coup and grab power by trying to control the govt alone and destroying the parliamentary majority consisting of Hezballah and the FPM and their allies.

So by excluding the FPM and Saad naming the Christian ministers, he has automatically taken over the majority in the new govt. He names Sunni and Christian ministers. What a childish attempt. What a stupid genius he thinks he is. If Hezballah accepts to be in such govt without the FPM, then the alliance between Hezballah and the FPM will also hit rock bottom. The reason Hezballah has come out to state unequivocally that there will be no government without the FPM.

In the event Saad has a majority of ministers (Sunni + Christoan ministers), and his foreign masters give him a directive to executive like on May 5, 2008, and he goes ahead like a coward, if Hezballah and Amal ministers resign, his govt will continue to stand like the Saniora govt. Then going back to parliament to bring down the govt might not work or might not be possible because assuming Hezballah is naive and joins a govt where Saad names Christian ministers and FPM is excluded, then FPM might not be encouraged to join hands in parliament to bring down the govt if Saad executes any treasonous foreign directive. The parliamentary majority would be disintegrated. The scheme to stage a coup against the parliamentary majority is still on. The reason FPM and Hezballah need each other and we as Lebanese by must stand by these two parties because they are the only two parties which do not take foreign directives to fight their compatriots like others do - because they are tools and they get paid for their services to foreign countries. And these two parties, in spite of their mistakes, remain the cleanest options for the Lebanese. The FPM and Hezballah base need to come closer together and stop the bickering.

January 20 is not far. Afterwards, Saad would be inconsequential in the political scheme of things in Lebanon. If he fails to form a govt before Trump leaves, I doubt he would succeed in forming any govt thereafter and even if he does, it would be short lived. With Biden removing sanctions on Iran and returning to the nuclear deal and engaging in further negotiations, our situation in Lebanon will change. I dont trust Saad Hariri will form a govt whereby the March 8 parties or Hezballah and its allies, including FPM are majority in the govt. Saad is scared of getting sanctioned. He is not a Gebran Basil to go ahead with such bold decision that would upset his foreign masters. I hope I am wrong. But I dont want to dream Hariri will be a man of his decisions and will go ahead to form a govt that the parliamentary majority controls, contrary to the dreams of his foreign masters. And he doesnt have much time. His political relevance will die off after 20th January 2021. The parliamentary majority can then nominate just neutral Sunnu figure or even a March 8 Sunni figure to become PM. If he doesnt form a govt by January 20, he will never form a govt afterwards. If he forms a govt, and he upsets his masters, and the parliamentary majority gets most ministers in the new govt headed by him, then he would have gained the trust of the Lebanese and the parliamentary majority and after January 20th his situation too would improve (with the West, but not with the Arab dictatorships though), even if he gets sanctioned temporarily before that date. I am not optimist about any govt formation before January 20th.
 

Robin Hood

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
When will the French do once the deadline is over? Will they pause their initiative until Trump leaves?

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Viral

Active Member
Directly related to Government formation delays.
GMA fighting to preserve and protect Lebanon's rights.
Hariri fighting on behalf of Israel by orders from the US.

 

Aegon

Active Member
3 Pres. 2 FPM. 1 Tashnaq. 1 Marada. - That leaves 2 more Christian ministers. Who should they go to? Is this what Hariri is fighting for?
Sunnis are getting 4 total. Hariri will get 3. Mikati will get 1. This is why he is trying to get 1 or 2 more for FM.
 

Walidos

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Orange Room Supporter
3 Pres. 2 FPM. 1 Tashnaq. 1 Marada. - That leaves 2 more Christian ministers. Who should they go to? Is this what Hariri is fighting for?
Sunnis are getting 4 total. Hariri will get 3. Mikati will get 1. This is why he is trying to get 1 or 2 more for FM.
No that’s not how hariri is counting. Per the news and reactions, he wants the following:
1 tashnag, 1 or 2 marada, 2 president, 4 Sunni (1 of which mikati) - all other Christian ministers he names...
 

Viral

Active Member
Imagine South Lebanon still occupied without the resistance and Pompeo standing in Bint-Jbeil declaring it part of Israel along with the Golan Heights. But hey, who knows his decency and live conscience might have let us keep our oil and gas in block 9…

 

Aegon

Active Member
No that’s not how hariri is counting. Per the news and reactions, he wants the following:
1 tashnag, 1 or 2 marada, 2 president, 4 Sunni (1 of which mikati) - all other Christian ministers he names...
Wow, if thats true... then what a scumbag. Maybe he is butthurt FPM did not nominate him.
 

Danny Z

Legendary Member
Decided to stop by to see if there is government yet... Hmm not yet apparently. I will be back on this thread in a couple of weeks unless an earthquake and a Tsunami rocks Beirut, maybe we will get some government movement if it happens since Financial meltdown and Nitrate Explosion were not enough.
My weekly check in on this thread, hmmmm I guess nothing changed.
 

agnostic

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