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The French Initiative [Saad Hariri renamed as PM]

Rafidi

Legendary Member
So I take it HA is also not naming any ministers?

That is what he is implying. What a genius. A complete joke. He wants to act as if he has the majority in parliament. He doesnt for God's sake. They are only nominating him as an act of kindness and as charity for the sake of Lebanon's religious balance, since most Sunnis voted for him and do not think they can find a better alternative to him. His entire mission and scheming from one condition to another has been in a quest to undo the parliamentary majority, which he doesnt have. He wants to form a government where he is a kingmaker and has majority of ministers to do anything. This is the reason he feels emboldened to demand he names Christian ministers. This guy doesnt know that beggars cannot set conditions. He needs to be reminded that he lost the parliamentary majority which he had previously. He lost the election. He is only the PM because he represents 60% of his community. Not even all of his community.

After January 20, it wont be anymore relevant to keep him as PM. It wont even be in our interest anymore. Time is running out for him. It was actually a mistake that he got nominated. The President shouldnt have called for consultation till after the result of the US election.
 

Lebnaouneh

Legendary Member
What do you guys think of this? He explains Saad Hariri’s behavior
This guy Khaled Momtaz is interesting to follow, even though there is a possibility what he is saying might be all bullshit (whether he is aware of it or not), it still represents the narrative that is circulated and believed on the other side of the fence that we should be aware of if we want to have a fruitful debate
7otouleh sakhafet Resign 3a janab for a bit
 

Walidos

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
What do you guys think of this? He explains Saad Hariri’s behavior
This guy Khaled Momtaz is interesting to follow, even though there is a possibility what he is saying might be all bullshit (whether he is aware of it or not), it still represents the narrative that is circulated and believed on the other side of the fence that we should be aware of if we want to have a fruitful debate
7otouleh sakhafet Resign 3a janab for a bit
Interesting, but if that were the case, why would Hariri be so hellbent against Bassil and FPM? If they are equally rejected by the Americans, wouldn’t he try to have the same stance as FPM towards HA and ally with them? Seems stupid not to when your are facing sanctions and isolation from the other side... doesn’t tie up in my mind.
 

Rafidi

Legendary Member
What do you guys think of this? He explains Saad Hariri’s behavior
This guy Khaled Momtaz is interesting to follow, even though there is a possibility what he is saying might be all bullshit (whether he is aware of it or not), it still represents the narrative that is circulated and believed on the other side of the fence that we should be aware of if we want to have a fruitful debate
7otouleh sakhafet Resign 3a janab for a bit

Firstly, if we have a woke government, this dog would be dragged into a prison cell and investigated. If we have any sense of "national security" or national pride, this dog would be punished for incitement, threatening the peace and security of the country, and soliciting foreign destruction upon the country and it's people. An ugly creature full of bitterness and toxicity. He is propagating fear and sabotaging the national currency.

Secondly, let him learn the difference between the letter G and the letter J in the English language. It is JCPOA and not GCPOA.

Thirdly, this his incitement or rather excitement about war doesnt scare us at all. Trump did not start one in 4 years, and you think he would start one in two months? In fact, he needs congress approval to start one. And any adventure by him, like a strike on Lebanon or Iran will mean uncalculated retaliation and consequences that could see him end up in prison after he hands over. He would endanger American lives and interests and that could get him to face legal charges. The Democrats wont mind seeing him behind bars for convincing reasons, like starting a destructive and uncalculated conflict abroad. Any strike or war on Lebanon will witness a similar and proportional destruction on the Israehelli side and can potentially engulf the entire region. We are not weak at all to be threatened, intimidated or cowed. We are strong and very powerful and capable of defending ourselves.

Now, we are talking about economic crisis. That doesnt stop us at all from defending ourselves. When there is war, there is no limit to what our people can do and will do and the help we can get from Syria, Iraq, and Iran and as far away from Pakistan, Afghanistan and Yemen. The Arabs he is counting on to start a war are too coward to even dream of one. They need who will protect their thrones. They should first finish the failure they started in Yemen. We can take the war into their capitals in the Gulf and make them live the same experience this dog is wishing for us. Israehell will not initiate one for their sake either. Israehell does all it can for it's own self interests and calculations. I dont think Israehell is interested in war at a time we are trying to demarcate the maritime border, in a move that will see it secure resources and billions of dollars.

Fourthly, America is the boss to the Arabs and not the other way round. When America asks the Arabs to pay, they would reply: how much. So if the US is in economic crisis because of COVID-19, the Arabs will still pay whether under Biden or Trump. That's all. No issue here if it is Trump or Biden. America gives instructions and the Arabs obey. The relationship between the US and the Arabs is not an alliance. It is a master - slave relationship. And the main benefactors from this are Israehell and the American economy through oil. So the Gulf Arabs have no say in what and how the US behaves. If Netanyahu himself is apprehensive of the incoming administration, I don't see why the Arab slaves should think they have a say or leverage over the US. The US can cause them lots of damages if they dare oppose any directive. The Arabs are not Iran. They are not self dependent when it comes to their defense. Opposing the US, whether under Biden or Trump and the US retaliating would mean the end of their reign as kings and emirs. This is not a joke or a hide and seek game. Perhaps the Arabs would learn this after Biden takes over and they dare oppose his directives. There is no guaranty they wont be at the receiving end of America's wrath. If the US can sanction its allies in Europe and China and Russia, who are these Arab subjects? If the US engineered ISIS to devastate Iraq and Syria (going by the confessions of Obama administration officials), what guarantees are there the US wont do the same to Saudi and UAE rulers and Kuwait and use that as pretext to take over the oil fields and get free oil for the next decade to empower its economy post COVID-19? There is a saying that he who takes a ride on the back of a lion will end up in the stomach of the lion. The main point again is the fact that the Arab rulers dont possess self defense and are reliant on the US and now Israehell and also, the Arab rulers rule through fear and intimidation and heavy handedness. They are not ruling their nations by ideology or through persuasion like it is the case in Iran.

Lastly, let us assume Trump actually secure another term through whatever slight possibility there is. And I don't believe that is going to happen; and this dog, who is very pro Trump for sectarian reasons is still in denial and shock of Trump's defeat. He is using Trump's rhetoric that the media doesnt decide an election. But let us assume Trump secures a second term through any slight possibility. Trump wants a deal with Iran. That is the bottom line. Whether Trump wins or not, a US deal with Iran will happen after January 20 regardless who takes over, to avoid any catastrophe in the region and in the world of a direct US-Iran confrontation. Let us say Trump loses this time and wins in 2024. He still wants a deal with Iran whereby he can face his nation and say he did it better. War isn't going to pay off. It will result in body bags and a long and messy conflict, worse than the one Bush started in Iraq. And if Trump gets his way and secures a second term, will America experience peace or political upheaval, insurgency or even civil war? The liberal left will by no way fold its arms and accept to live under Trump for another 4 years.
 
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Lebnaouneh

Legendary Member
Interesting, but if that were the case, why would Hariri be so hellbent against Bassil and FPM? If they are equally rejected by the Americans, wouldn’t he try to have the same stance as FPM towards HA and ally with them? Seems stupid not to when your are facing sanctions and isolation from the other side... doesn’t tie up in my mind.
Mbala his story fits
The bottom line is there is a hard stop from the US that Hariri is not daring to cross

1. Creating a problem with FPM is only an excuse to justify no government formation (red line by US if Hezbollah has influence directly or indirectly as per Khaled and it is something Hezbollah cannot risk to have a government like Siniora’s that would make war on them easy so Hariri is stuck)

2. It also serves an interest to put pressure on FPM by trying to make them responsible in the media for the delay

3. Also the shiite duo is the main other power broker in this country and the one Hariri is using to get back to prime ministry and corner FPM (who is refusing Hariri) so he wouldn’t be harsh with them
 

Lebnaouneh

Legendary Member
Firstly, if we have a woke government, this dog would be dragged into a prison cell and investigated. If we have any sense of "national security" or national pride, this dog would be punished for incitement, threatening the peace and security of the country, and soliciting foreign destruction upon the country and it's people. An ugly creature full of bitterness and toxicity. He is propagating fear and sabotaging the national currency.

Secondly, let him learn the difference between the letter G and the letter J in the English language. It is JCPOA and not GCPOA.

Thirdly, this his incitement or rather excitement about war doesnt scare us at all. Trump did not start one in 4 years, and you think he would start one in two months? In fact, he needs congress approval to start one. And any adventure by him, like a strike on Lebanon or Iran will mean uncalculated retaliation and consequences that could see him end up in prison after he hands over. He would endanger American lives and interests and that could get him to face legal charges. The Democrats wont mind seeing him behind bars for convincing reasons, like starting a destructive and uncalculated conflict abroad. Any strike or war on Lebanon will witness a similar and proportional destruction on the Israehelli side and can potentially engulf the entire region. We are not weak at all to be threatened, intimidated or cowed. We are strong and very powerful and capable of defending ourselves.

Now, we are talking about economic crisis. That doesnt stop us at all from defending ourselves. When there is war, there is no limit to what our people can do and will do and the help we can get from Syria, Iraq, and Iran and as far away from Pakistan, Afghanistan and Yemen. The Arabs he is counting on to start a war are too coward to even dream of one. They need who will protect their thrones. They should first finish the failure they started in Yemen. We can take the war into their capitals in the Gulf and make them live the same experience this dog is wishing for us. Israehell will not initiate one for their sake either. Israehell does all it can for it's own self interests and calculations. I dont think Israehell is interested in war at a time we are trying to demarcate the maritime border, in a move that will see it secure resources and billions of dollars.

Fourthly, America is the boss to the Arabs and not the other way round. When America asks the Arabs to pay, they would reply: how much. So if the US is in economic crisis because of COVID-19, the Arabs will still pay whether under Biden or Trump. That's all. No issue here if it is Trump or Biden. America gives instructions and the Arabs obey. The relationship between the US and the Arabs is not an alliance. It is a master - slave relationship. And the main benefactors from this are Israehell and the American economy through oil. So the Gulf Arabs have no say in what and how the US behaves. If Netanyahu himself is apprehensive of the incoming administration, I don't see why the Arab slaves should think they have a say or leverage over the US. The US can cause them lots of damages if they dare oppose any directive. The Arabs are not Iran. They are not self dependent when it comes to their defense. Opposing the US, whether under Biden or Trump and the US retaliating would mean the end of their reign as kings and emirs. This is not a joke or a hide and seek game. Perhaps the Arabs would learn this after Biden takes over and they dare oppose his directives. There is no guaranty they wont be at the receiving end of America's wrath. If the US can sanction its allies in Europe and China and Russia, who are these Arab subjects? If the US engineered ISIS to devastate Iraq and Syria (going by the confessions of Obama administration officials), what guarantees are there the US wont do the same to Saudi and UAE rulers and Kuwait and use that as pretext to take over the oil fields and get free oil for the next decade to empower its economy post COVID-19? There is a saying that he who takes a ride on the back of a lion will end up in the stomach of the lion. The main point again is the fact that the Arab rulers dont possess self defense and are reliant on the US and now Israehell and also, the Arab rulers rule through fear and intimidation and heavy handedness. They are not ruling their nations by ideology or through persuasion like it is the case in Iran.

Lastly, let us assume Trump actually secure another term through whatever slight possibility there is. And I don't believe that is going to happen; and this dog, who is very pro Trump for sectarian reasons is still in denial and shock of Trump's defeat. He is using Trump's rhetoric that the media doesnt decide an election. But let us assume Trump secures a second term through any slight possibility. Trump wants a deal with Iran. That is the bottom line. Whether Trump wins or not, a US deal with Iran will happen after January 20 regardless who takes over, to avoid any catastrophe in the region and in the world of a direct US-Iran confrontation. Let us say Trump loses this time and wins in 2024. He still wants a deal with Iran whereby he can face his nation and say he did it better. War isn't going to pay off. It will result in body bags and a long and messy conflict, worse than the one Bush started in Iraq. And if Trump gets his way and secures a second term, will America experience peace or political upheaval, insurgency or even civil war? The liberal left will by no way fold its arms and accept to live under Trump for another 4 years.
Good comeback points
 

Walidos

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
Mbala his story fits
The bottom line is there is a hard stop from the US that Hariri is not daring to cross

1. Creating a problem with FPM is only an excuse to justify no government formation (red line by US if Hezbollah has influence directly or indirectly as per Khaled and it is something Hezbollah cannot risk to have a government like Siniora’s that would make war on them easy so Hariri is stuck)

2. It also serves an interest to put pressure on FPM by trying to make them responsible in the media for the delay

3. Also the shiite duo is the main other power broker in this country and the one Hariri is using to get back to prime ministry and corner FPM (who is refusing Hariri) so he wouldn’t be harsh with them
that means hariri is trying to appease the Americans and get back on their good side, which means the analysis (hariri is no longer wanted by the USA) is fragile or lacking: they want him under certain conditions...
 

divergent

New Member
Any strike or war on Lebanon will witness a similar and proportional destruction on the Israehelli side and can potentially engulf the entire region. We are not weak at all to be threatened, intimidated or cowed. We are strong and very powerful and capable of defending ourselves.
Really? You are ready to confront the US and Israel? Hezbollah even couldn't defeat its sunni twin ISIS in Syria. Only russian intervention saved them.
 

NewLeb

Member
1. What gives the French more rights than the Russian, Chinese, Syrian or beloved Iranian to invite himself because of the corruption?

Well, for starters, no one is trying to immigrate to any of those crap-hole countries. They’re all trying to get into the West, and for good reason.
 

agnostic

Legendary Member
Well, for starters, no one is trying to immigrate to any of those crap-hole countries. They’re all trying to get into the West, and for good reason.

For starters of starters, your information are outdated.

Anyway you didn't address the core of my question that you quoted.
 

NewLeb

Member
For starters of starters, your information are outdated.

Anyway you didn't address the core of the question.

I did actually. Human nature is naturally attracted to power and wealth.

Unless he’s a real man of God, why would I seek assistance from an incompetent loser who can’t feed his own children?
 
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