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The French Initiative [Saad Hariri renamed as PM]

Rafidi

Legendary Member
No. But what's wrong in what I said? This country is finished

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If your postulations are true, are you informing us because we are ignorant of what is on ground or are you a prophet of doom who needs to foresee the future on our behalf and inform us? What exactly is the purpose of your one rant in every post?
 

Rafidi

Legendary Member
10h

يتم عرض وزيرين من اصل ١٨ وزير للتشاور مع الرئيس والباقي يحسم امره مع الثنائي الشيعي وسعد وجنبلاط ان رفض الخضوع تبدأ حملة عليه انه خاضع لجبران وانه معرقل للحل ويسبب بتدمير الاقتصاد وضد المبادرة الفرنسية وطائفي ويظهر الثوار وتنهار الليرة ويهدد بالعقوبات لعبة قذرة لن تمر بعد اليوم
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اوراق الحريري جرى احراقها في الخليج يخاف تحدي الحزب واغضاب بري اختار الطريق الاسهل ، حصار عون وعزل باسيل عبر تسمية الوزراء المسيحيين عسى ان يستطيع ترويج ذلك خليجيا انه ضرب حلفاء الحزب كونه اجبن من مواجهة الحزب عجز عن الثنائي الشيعي فاختار مواجهة المسيحيين لظنه انهم اسهل

Lest we forget, where are the "revolutionaries" of Khaldeh and Jal el Dib? We have missed them and the show they used to stage every night for the cameras. It seems the strings are moved by the same person who wants to form a govt. and exclude another community by imposing on it his own choice of ministers on its behalf.
 

Rafidi

Legendary Member
Good comeback points

He is apparently tense, bitter and confused. He foresees a war but at the same time he thinks America is broke and it needs to appease its Arab slaves to restart its economy by attacking Iran/Lebanon. In other words he is asking for America to commit suicide. Starting a war needs money. He says America is broke. Starting a war with Iran/Lebanon would mean all the oil fields would be set ablaze within hours by Iranian missiles. So there would be no hope for the American economy if a war breaks out. If America is truly broke and desperate, and its Arab slaves are proving stubborn, I think there is a bigger and better chance for the US to invade the gulf countries under whatever pretexts and take over the oil fields to support its economy with free oil, than the chance of the US attacking a defense ready Iran/Lebanon.
 

Robin Hood

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Orange Room Supporter
He is apparently tense, bitter and confused. He foresees a war but at the same time he thinks America is broke and it needs to appease its Arab slaves to restart its economy by attacking Iran/Lebanon. In other words he is asking for America to commit suicide. Starting a war needs money. He says America is broke. Starting a war with Iran/Lebanon would mean all the oil fields would be set ablaze within hours by Iranian missiles. So there would be no hope for the American economy if a war breaks out. If America is truly broke and desperate, and its Arab slaves are proving stubborn, I think there is a bigger and better chance for the US to invade the gulf countries under whatever pretexts and take over the oil fields to support its economy with free oil, than the chance of the US attacking a defense ready Iran/Lebanon.
The US is destroying Lebanon as we speak.

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NewLeb

Member
Why can't you be direct and answer the question you quote instead of putting mysteries. My question didn't speak about seeking assistance.

Correct, you referred to corruption. Corrupt states are a reflection of a corrupt populace, and these countries- the more corrupt they tend to be- look like crapholes, and have very poor economic indicators (like GDP and currency rates).

Non-corrupt countries are most often than not economically abundant and stable. That’s why everyone wants to move to America, or Dubai.

It only makes sense for Lebanon to focus mainly on the West in this case, the same way a novice dervish looks up to his spiritual Master to guide him in the path. The West are clearly the experts here.

Beside that, the Chinese regime has proved its efficiency in feeding and taking care of the Chinese people.

A process that took decades and killed millions. The point is that although moving towards the East is fine and dandy, it still makes sense to maintain a strong and firm footing in the West.

The Shiites have always been a suppressed minority, so they are somewhat “on the outside” of Western culture, identity and norms. The converse can also be said about the non-Shiite Lebanese population, who are totally ignorant of life from the perspective of a Shiite individual.

However, what we are witnessing today is a clash between two identities, and the result will simply be a fusion of both. The Shiites will get some of the West, and the non-Shiites will get a little bit of the Shiite. And so it has been, since time immortal....
 

NewLeb

Member
It doesnt appear your have the mental acumen to read and understand. At this particular stage we are in, any attack on one is an attack on all. There are two opposing camps. Hezballah faced Israehell for 34 days in 2006. This is 2020. I do not wish for war and I hope for negotiations and dialogue and for lasting solutions. But the clown in the video thinks he is talking to kids. Whoever is pumping his @$$ to utter the rubbish he did is grossly miscalculating.

And FYI ISIS isnt Hezballah's twin. ISIS was the creation of the masters of Geagea and co. And it was an international plot to destroy Syria and oust Assad. A world war declared on Assad and his allies. And it did not work out. Russia joined the war in 2015. That is after the war had lasted for 4 years. So dont get too excited here. I am not telling you Hezballah is superman. But when two camps are facing off, Hezbollah is not alone and will not be left alone. Dont count your chicks before they hatch.

You don’t get it. At the end of the day, the West/Israel has the means and power to destroy Hezbollah completely.

All they have to do is vaporize the entire South of Lebanon, killing and destroying everything that moves.

Can they do it? Sure. Can Hezbollah? Doubt it.
 

agnostic

Legendary Member
Correct, you referred to corruption. Corrupt states are a reflection of a corrupt populace, and these countries- the more corrupt they tend to be- look like crapholes, and have very poor economic indicators (like GDP and currency rates).

Non-corrupt countries are most often than not economically abundant and stable. That’s why everyone wants to move to America, or Dubai.

It only makes sense for Lebanon to focus mainly on the West in this case, the same way a novice dervish looks up to his spiritual Master to guide him in the path. The West are clearly the experts here.

This is my question that you quoted.
1. What gives the French more rights than the Russian, Chinese, Syrian or beloved Iranian to invite himself because of the corruption?

And you are still unable to answer it directly.


A process that took decades and killed millions. The point is that although moving towards the East is fine and dandy, it still makes sense to maintain a strong and firm footing in the West.
The problem is that the West is imposing on the Lebanese to go in war against HA or to be suffocated. Also the Lebanese are blackmailed by the West to not try to go East.


The Shiites have always been a suppressed minority, so they are somewhat “on the outside” of Western culture, identity and norms. The converse can also be said about the non-Shiite Lebanese population, who are totally ignorant of life from the perspective of a Shiite individual.

However, what we are witnessing today is a clash between two identities, and the result will simply be a fusion of both. The Shiites will get some of the West, and the non-Shiites will get a little bit of the Shiite. And so it has been, since time immortal....
That's your vision that has been repeated in so many of your posts. I find it not worth to be debated because it minimizes resp. maximizes matters that my endoctrinement maximizes resp. minimizes.
 

Walidos

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
Well, let’s start by blaming Ibrahim Kan3an for this fiasco. He is was bad as Wasni and Berri in torpedoing this
Actually, turns out he was right on the forensic audit: salemeh refused to provide A&M the data under the umbrella of the secrecy act, despite the minister and multiple judicial authorities confirming that they could still do it... kanaan was saying if we need to make a law to ensure no barriers and get it going then let’s... in this instance, he was right...
 

Rafidi

Legendary Member
You don’t get it. At the end of the day, the West/Israel has the means and power to destroy Hezbollah completely.

All they have to do is vaporize the entire South of Lebanon, killing and destroying everything that moves.

Can they do it? Sure. Can Hezbollah? Doubt it.

Many sides can do different mad things, like committing genocide, which apparently you are promoting and dreaming of. The venom and hate boiling in your mind has reached such a level. I am sure you are also feeling frustrated and crazy to have such an idea cross your mind. Assad can also load thousands of rockets with chemicals and launch them on Palestine and kill everyone that moves in Palestine, Arab and Jew and bring the entire conflict to an end or to a temporary halt and then he can commit suicide. He can also load some Iranian ballistic missiles and aim them at Europe. How about that? Do you fancy a world of complete madness? So many crazy things can be done. But then you live or die with the repercussions of a new world order, where no one would ever feel safe again or where there will never be peace again, if not a complete breakdown of world peace and the world economy, which will see us officially into world war 3. When such a precedence is set, and they can, by the way, also wipe out Lebanon because humans have all the power they need from all sides to inflict maximum terror and destruction, then no one ever would trust the other and everyone will seek ways to preempt being taken by surprise by first going to the maximum level or extent of madness. No one has a monopoly on terror and madness. Be rest assured.
 

NewLeb

Member
Many sides can do different mad things, like committing genocide, which apparently you are promoting and dreaming of. The venom and hate boiling in your mind has reached such a level. I am sure you are also feeling frustrated and crazy to have such an idea cross your mind. Assad can also load thousands of rockets with chemicals and launch them on Palestine and kill everyone that moves in Palestine, Arab and Jew and bring the entire conflict to an end or to a temporary halt and then he can commit suicide. He can also load some Iranian ballistic missiles and aim them at Europe. How about that? Do you fancy a world of complete madness? So many crazy things can be done. But then you live or die with the repercussions of a new world order, where no one would ever feel safe again or where there will never be peace again, if not a complete breakdown of world peace and the world economy, which will see us officially into world war 3. When such a precedence is set, and they can, by the way, also wipe out Lebanon because humans have all the power they need from all sides to inflict maximum terror and destruction, then no one ever would trust the other and everyone will seek ways to preempt being taken by surprise by first going to the maximum level or extent of madness. No one has a monopoly on terror and madness. Be rest assured.

The point was that might makes power, and pain is the only way people submit to the truth. It’s why you don’t drive above the speed limit, because you don’t want to experience the financial pain of paying a fine.

ASSad can do all that you said, but we all know that at the end of it all, Europe will remain standing, and Syria will become a pothole. The Nazis tried it, but they ultimately submitted to the superior power of the allies.
 

NewLeb

Member
This is my question that you quoted.
1. What gives the French more rights than the Russian, Chinese, Syrian or beloved Iranian to invite himself because of the corruption?

And you are still unable to answer it directly.

It’s pretty simple: France is a modern and economically developed country; those other countries you mentioned are not. Migrants are not fleeing to China or beloved Iran. They are fleeing to the France, because the country apparently does a good job at undermining corruption. If it didn’t do a good job, it wouldn't be as socially and economically vibrant as it is today.

Ergo, Lebanon should gravitate towards the country that performs well on the anti-corruption index, and that seems to be France.

The problem is that the West is imposing on the Lebanese to go in war against HA or to be suffocated. Also the Lebanese are blackmailed by the West to not try to go East.

Yes, and Hezbollah is stubborn in its insistence of dumping the West and going East. But not everyone wants to live on bread and water.

Either way, both positions are too rigid to work out harmonically.
 

Weezy

Well-Known Member
Hariri can never succeed even if he forms the government because he’s a coward. None of his decisions are his.
What a contrast between him and GMA...

The country needs a coup with a real revolution and the support of the masses.

so when will fpm launch a revolution and take over the country?
 
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