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The French Initiative [Saad Hariri renamed as PM]

Rafidi

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Can we change the electoral law without Christian approval?

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No.

That is not the point.

It seems you have been brainwashed to imagine it is always obligatory for HA to follow the footsteps of FPM. But there are instances the FPM refuses to support HA and turns its back. FPM always advertises their notion on building the state. It seems they only care about building the state or the so called fight against corruption when their political rivals are at the receiving end. Other than witch hunting, they dont care about state building. When it genuinely involves building the state and moving towards a just, fair and modern state, one that would see sectarian monopolies crashing, the FPM is not interested in building such a state. Why is the FPM justified in rejecting state building through the adoption of a modern, secular, fair electoral law? This is a fair question, especially that it is stipulated in the Taef accord.
 

Robin Hood

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No.

That is not the point.

It seems you have been brainwashed to imagine it is always obligatory for HA to follow the footsteps of FPM. But there are instances the FPM refuses to support HA and turns its back. FPM always advertises their notion on building the state. It seems they only care about building the state or the so called fight against corruption when their political rivals are at the receiving end. Other than witch hunting, they dont care about state building. When it genuinely involves building the state and moving towards a just, fair and modern state, one that would see sectarian monopolies crashing, the FPM is not interested in building such a state. Why is the FPM justified in rejecting state building through the adoption of a modern, secular, fair electoral law? This is a fair question, especially that it is stipulated in the Taef accord.
If you ask Christians, I think they want to rule again. Lebanon was much better back then.

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Robin Hood

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Also, don't we have more important things that the electoral law right now? Berri I'd trying to change the subject from him torpedoing the forensic audit to the electoral.law.

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Robin Hood

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It will take a long time to agree on what constitutional amendments to do while the economy is sinking. What's the use of another electoral law if the country ceases existing?

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Robin Hood

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Since transition started in the US, does that mean Trump will leave us alone?

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oldschool

Active Member
What taxes do you pay in your own personal life that I do not pay? All taxes in Lebanon are indirect taxation. There is no legal tax you pay that others are not obliged to pay. If you dont pay taxes, others too will refuse to. And not only that, you will not get even the tiny services you get.

Who said anything about whether you pay or don’t pay taxes? Can you get your head out of your stupid complexes for once in your life?

If you’re fine with berri and Saleme doing whatever they want go ahead.

I don’t want the services anymore.
 

Rafidi

Legendary Member
Watch Lebanon become as poor as Haiti next year.

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Shut up! You rant too much one line nonsense. We wont become like any country, with due respect to Haiti. We have an option. We need our politicians to grow a pair. We had a chance. The FPM did not use it. They were scared of American sanctions on Basil. Now the sanctions are there. So what do we do? Seek Chinese assistance and partnership to revive our economy. In fact, cancel exploration deals with Eni and Total. These Europeans cant do anything for us. Get a Chinese company to do the exploration. Give China the port to reconstruct under a lease and let us give them a concession to transit their goods and build warehouses. The Chinese can reform the agriculture sector in Lebanon and we will be sufficient in terms of food production and we will have a surplus to export to Iraq, East Asia, Africa and Latin America, if those camel breeders dont want to patronize us because they are evil and prefer Israehelli products. We have options. Our leaders should stop putting themselves first and put their people first. Let's first see what the Biden administration holds for us. Otherwise, turning to China with our legs wide open would be inevitable.

And I dont believe Hariri would be PM for long even if he succeeds eventually to form a govt. He will either be instructed to resign through a remote control dictate or others will resign and bring down his government or the parliament will be used to force his govt to resign through a vote of no confidence. Hariri is not independent and not free. He is controlled. He cant lead us as a brave, courageous, independent and patriotic leader. He has too many foreign appendages. If you are to turn to China, you need a Diab. Otherwise if Hariri returns and succeed in convincing foreign donors and gets help from the Gulf or the West, it would be the same corruption and power sharing and dividing the treasury for his pocket, his cronies and those who will cover for him, including Berri. This is not what we need as Lebanese. If Hariri can get us out of the present mess, and I doubt he can, he isnt still what we need for the future. He is part of the corrupt lot.
 
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