France The gilets jaunes

Dark Angel

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I am an immigrant in france making a lot of cash to the government not going to give out what i produce in tax/impots ... so yea they indeed need more
of course of course, that's what i am saying man, it is an established theory in economy, when unemployment rises and minimum wage is no longer enough to provide the minimum requirements for life, the first solution is to bring in as many immigrants as you can, to make more money for the government in taxes and cure the economy.

more immigrants man. that is exactly what we also need in Lebanon. more syrian workers and more sudanese, because some Lebanese can no longer afford the basic necessities.

i do not understand why some french would be opposed to that. bring as many foreign workers as you can, they pay taxes, the french citizens will receive social security and unemployment benefits while sitting at home. this way france wins and many more jobs are created.

you are as straight as an arrow my friend. i like sharp minds.
 
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    Can someone tell me what do the gillets jaunes want exactly?
     
    mrsrx

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    of course of course, that's what i am saying man, it is an established theory in economy, when unemployment rises and minimum wage is no longer enough to provide the minimum requirements for life, the first solution is to bring in as many immigrants as you can, to make more money for the government in taxes and cure the economy.

    more immigrants man. that is exactly what we also need in Lebanon. more syrian workers and more sudanese, because some Lebanese can no longer afford to basic necessities.

    i do not understand why some french would be opposed to that. bring as many foreign workers as you can, they pay taxes, the french citizens will receive social security and unemployment benefits while sitting at home. this way france wins and many more jobs are created.

    you are as straight as an arrow my friend. i like sharp minds.
    I see that you have no idea what you're talking about (ye i get the sarcasm) ...Once your research and economic understanding is on par regarding the french problems we can discuss...as for now before understanding le systeme des retraites, travailleurs detachés, desert medicaux, centralization issues, the mines in the north of the country, the government inefficiency..... we can talk but for now ill let u with your basic ideas and understanding.
     
    mrsrx

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    Can someone tell me what do the gillets jaunes want exactly?
    Pouvoir d'achat is low in short so raising gas taxes set them off after reducing the speed limits to 80km/h on national roads that started this anger wave...
    the government took time to react and they were pretty creative and now you hear other things like referendums if 500people sign a petition and reducing taxes, having more gov aid....random stuff and as many requests as there are people
    The main difficulty is that they have no representative to create a list of demands so the gov does not know what are the main issues
     
    Isabella

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    Pouvoir d'achat is low in short so raising gas taxes set them off after reducing the speed limits to 80km/h on national roads that started this anger wave...
    the government took time to react and they were pretty creative and now you hear other things like referendums if 500people sign a petition and reducing taxes, having more gov aid....randoms stuff and as many requests as there are people
    The main difficulty is that they have no representative to create a list of demands so the gov does not know what are the main issues
    I read a report that actually the pouvoir d'achat is 2% higher right now under macron since he lowered some taxes, something like an extra 50 euros for people making minimum wage and slightly higher, I'll try to find it again
     
    mrsrx

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    I read a report that actually the pouvoir d'achat is 2% higher right now under macron since he lowered some taxes, something like an extra 50 euros for people making minimum wage and slightly higher, I'll try to find it again
    I know but the problem is that over the last 15 years it dropped a lot and people were extremely impatient after hollande.
    Macron made a stupid move by announcing the unpopular things like ISF suppression and CSG on the retraites and loi de travail...in the begining and said good stuff will come later.
    His startegy was on the 5 yrs the first 2 are the bad news and last 3 are the neutral or good news in order to paint this image in the short memory of the electorate.
    2% is great but it is not something you can notice easily as people spend it in 30seconds and forget that they got it. This was not enough i guess!
    Seen the report from INSEE

    edit: oh i forgot that people have no idea how long it takes for macroeconomic changes get felt on their personal level...they think its overnight!
     
    Dark Angel

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    I see that you have no idea what you're talking about (ye i get the sarcasm) ...Once your research and economic understanding is on par regarding the french problems we can discuss...as for now before understanding le systeme des retraites, travailleurs detachés, desert medicaux, centralization issues, the mines in the north of the country, the government inefficiency..... we can talk but for now ill let u with your basic ideas and understanding.
    i think you misunderstood me my friend. when i said that france needs more immigrants, i didn't mean educated people with college degrees, specialist and skilled workers. of course we all understand the negative impact these people can have on economy.

    i meant that what france needs is more and more slums around paris and around the major cities. these will effectively contribute to lowering real estate prices and they will make apartments prices more affordable. it is also imperative to keep discouraging women from marrying and making babies, because it is much easier to bring in people from abroad instead of raising citizens from such a small age, it takes years, requires schools etc... and really, who needs that? let the immigrants bring their babies with them.

    more immigrants man, more immigrants, especially from the arab world, we need them to bring some of their illuminated culture along with them to the west.
     
    Isabella

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    I know but the problem is that over the last 15 years it dropped a lot and people were extremely impatient after hollande.
    Macron made a stupid move by announcing the unpopular things like ISF suppression and CSG on the retraites and loi de travail...in the begining and said good stuff will come later.
    His startegy was on the 5 yrs the first 2 are the bad news and last 3 are the neutral or good news in order to paint this image in the short memory of the electorate.
    2% is great but it is not something you can notice easily as people spend it in 30seconds and forget that they got it. This was not enough i guess!
    Seen the report from INSEE

    edit: oh i forgot that people have no idea how long it takes for macroeconomic changes get felt on their personal level...they think its overnight!
    Yeah that ISF suppression seems like a major issue! But it made sense to me! That's partly why I don't really understand why the gilets jaunes enjoy such popular support lol!
    It makes sense to replace the ISF by the IFI, tax what's passive!
     
    AtheistForJesus

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    I read a report that actually the pouvoir d'achat is 2% higher right now under macron since he lowered some taxes, something like an extra 50 euros for people making minimum wage and slightly higher, I'll try to find it again
    Macron is a great president. The best France has had since De Gaulle.
     
    mrsrx

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    Yeah that ISF suppression seems like a major issue! But it made sense to me! That's partly why I don't really understand why the gilets jaunes enjoy such popular support lol!
    It makes sense to replace the ISF by the IFI, tax what's passive!
    I completely agree all other european countries tried and cancelled the ISF as its an idiotic tax...but unfortunately the random @Jo (no offense boss lol) does not understand its impact. Even the taxes on dividents limits people's investments back in the economy if the compte epargne was better than investments
     
    mrsrx

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    i think you misunderstood me my friend. when i said that france needs more immigrants, i didn't mean educated people with college degrees, specialist and skilled workers. of course we all understand the negative impact these people can have on economy.

    i meant that what france needs is more and more slums around paris and around the major cities. these will effectively contribute to lowering real estate prices and they will make apartments prices more affordable. it is also imperative to keep discouraging women from marrying and making babies, because it is much easier to bring in people from abroad instead of raising citizens from such a small age, it takes years, requires schools etc... and really, who needs that? let the immigrants bring their babies with them.

    more immigrants man, more immigrants, especially from the arab world, we need them to bring some of their illuminated culture along with them to the west.
    What you are describing is the french policy in the 70s. Nowadays you cannot get in legaly in the way you are describing. Just go to the embassy say you are unskilled and ask for a long term visa...if you get it ill stand corrected.
    Regroupement familial and such are down recently. anyway this has nothing to do with gillets jaunes
     
    Isabella

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    What you are describing is the french policy in the 70s. Nowadays you cannot get in legaly in the way you are describing. Just go to the embassy say you are unskilled and ask for a long term visa...if you get it ill stand corrected.
    Regroupement familial and such are down recently. anyway this has nothing to do with gillets jaunes
    He just likes ranting about immigrants, what business is it of yours lol?
     
    Dark Angel

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    What you are describing is the french policy in the 70s. Nowadays you cannot get in legaly in the way you are describing. Just go to the embassy say you are unskilled and ask for a long term visa...if you get it ill stand corrected.
    Regroupement familial and such are down recently. anyway this has nothing to do with gillets jaunes
    embassy??? visa?? it seems you are still living in the 70s my friend.
    why on earth would i go to the embassy, apply for a visa, and buy a plane ticket when i can cross in on a boat from morocco and start sharing in the wealth the very minute i lay my feet on french soil.
    more importantly, there is a ban on Christian immigration to france, in particular from Lebanon and egypt. but that was in the old days, now we no longer need to immigrate because we have finally received 1.5 million syrian refugees, it is going to be little while longer before the micro effect of these refugees will begin manifesting itself in the economy. you should have stayed in lebanon my friend, now others will reap the benefits.
     
    mrsrx

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    embassy??? visa?? it seems you are still living in the 70s my friend.
    why on earth would i go to the embassy, apply for a visa, and buy a plane ticket when i can cross in on a boat from morocco and start sharing in the wealth the very minute i lay my feet on french soil.
    more importantly, there is a ban on Christian immigration to france, in particular from Lebanon and egypt. but that was in the old days, now we no longer need to immigrate because we have finally received 1.5 million syrian refugees, it is going to be little while longer before the micro effect of these refugees will begin manifesting itself in the economy. you should have stayed in lebanon my friend, now others will reap the benefits.
    I seem to have escaped that ban apparently. Then go to morocco and take a boat and as soon as you show me the first euro you made.. ill stand corrected. Can you please stick to the subject?
     
    Isabella

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    I seem to have escaped that ban apparently. Then go to morocco and take a boat and as soon as you show me the first euro you made.. ill stand corrected. Can you please stick to the subject?
    I escaped it as well along with the thousands of Christian Lebanese students who come to France every single year! Also no he can't, the immigrants and the muslims took all the other subjects away, all that's left is the Christian preaching and the rants against immigrants, refugees, Muslims and leftists! Bonus points if all 5 are included in the same post :p
     
    AtheistForJesus

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    i think you misunderstood me my friend. when i said that france needs more immigrants, i didn't mean educated people with college degrees, specialist and skilled workers. of course we all understand the negative impact these people can have on economy.

    i meant that what france needs is more and more slums around paris and around the major cities. these will effectively contribute to lowering real estate prices and they will make apartments prices more affordable. it is also imperative to keep discouraging women from marrying and making babies, because it is much easier to bring in people from abroad instead of raising citizens from such a small age, it takes years, requires schools etc... and really, who needs that? let the immigrants bring their babies with them.

    more immigrants man, more immigrants, especially from the arab world, we need them to bring some of their illuminated culture along with them to the west.
    Macron is actually tightening immigration and asylum rules.

    Although he's committed to the refugee cause, his approach is not about welcoming everybody.

    He also wants to make it easier to expel illegal migrants.
     
    Dark Angel

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    I seem to have escaped that ban apparently. Then go to morocco and take a boat and as soon as you show me the first euro you made.. ill stand corrected. Can you please stick to the subject?
    why are you upset my friend? i am agreeing with you every step of the way. look how miserable the french people were before immigrants and people like you came in to their rescue. soon enough you will turn their country into something that pretty much resembles yours. who needs a train when you can melt the railways and sell them by the kilo?
     
    mrsrx

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    why are you upset my friend? i am agreeing with you every step of the way. look how miserable the french people were before immigrants and people like you came in to their rescue. soon enough you will turn their country into something that pretty much resembles yours. who needs a train when you can melt the railways and sell them by the kilo?
    Mai 68 was just before the immigration waves.. love shooting down every single point till now keep em coming...search les 30 glorieuses on your way
     
    Dark Angel

    Dark Angel

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    Macron is actually tightening immigration and asylum rules.

    Although he's committed to the refugee cause, his approach is not about welcoming everybody.

    He also wants to make it easier to expel illegal migrants.
    that is probably why some of the people in the streets were calling him a fascist today. this is one of the reasons that actually give me worries about the near future of Lebanon with close to 2 million refugees on our soil. many regional and global powers have an interest in seeing them immigrate towards europe, and they invest in creating instability and strife in our country just to push them to leave. starting with assad and iran who do not want them back to syria, and ending with turkey that uses immigrants to exert political pressure on european nations, without forgetting ksa which is very invested in the islamization of europe.
     
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