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Fun The ladder that no one can ever move in Jerusalem

Jo

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Master Penguin
#1
So this is an interesting somehow funny story.

The Church of The Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem is controlled by several Christian denominations in complicated arrangements essentially unchanged for over 160 years. The main denominations sharing property over parts of the church are the Greek Orthodox, Armenian Apostolic and Roman Catholic, and to a lesser degree the Coptic Orthodox, Syriac Orthodox and Ethiopian Tewahedo.

Now, what does this mean?
Well, basically, in order to do any single work in the Church, (like renovating for example) you will need the approval of all denominations.

One of those things that need the approval of all denominations is moving this ladder shown in the picture below.



This ladder is believed to have existed there since before 1728 and it belonged to a mason who was doing restoration work... and just forgot it there.


Photo of the Church in 1728 showing the ladder

Technically speaking anyone can move it, for example, @Isabella the troublemaker can just go there and move it if she wants but she will risk starting a war or at a bare minimum a fist fight.

This happened before
In July 2002, a Coptic monk moved his chair into the shade while sitting on the roof, the Ethiopians monks objected saying that the move violated an agreement which defines the ownership of every chapel, lamp and flagstone in the church.
This ended in eleven monks (seven of them Ethiopian, four Egyptian) hurling stones, iron bars and chairs at each other leaving them all injured and one unconscious for several days. (source: BBC NEWS | Middle East | Holy war over Jerusalem church)

In Nov - 2008 a similar event happened and an all-out fistfight broke out between the monks




So who is itching to move the ladder now?
 
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  • My Moria Moon

    Legendary Member
    Staff member
    #3
    Itching w itching… No need to panic @Jo.
    Send a forum delegation to mediate. Include these forum warriors in the task force:
    @Dark Angel, @eile and @ruins: they are responsible for arranging the separate groups therapy before the serious negotiations start
    @HannaTheCrusader, @LVV to boost the groups morals before, during and after the negotiations
    @Muki, @Rachel Corrie to remind them monks of shmetit their historical enemies in case they don't settle their ladder disagreement
    @TayyarBeino reports the development of the summit on daily basis

    And @Jo gets the peace nobel prize for 2018
     

    Mighty Goat

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    Orange Room Supporter
    #4
    Sad when we see these that are teaching restraint and forgiveness incapable of controlling their own temper or having wisdom and forgiveness. I think high on Hashish has better prospects to peace, since, surely their prayers are going to waste.
     

    lebnan_lilkel

    Well-Known Member
    Orange Room Supporter
    #5
    You have 2 options...
    1.
    I would call the israeli department of safety and health and call it a safety Hazard. The israeli police wear helmets and are used to dodging sticks and stones.
    2 .
    If they are like many Arabs. Get a Russian prostitute to pole dance on the other side of the church for an hour. The ladder should be long gone by then. And the miracle might render them as saints.. keep medics in the vicinity ..as I don't know if their hearts can withstand the sudden surge of blood pressure.
     

    Isabella

    The Queen Of "Bazella"
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    #7
    This ladder became more significant when the pope visited the holy land and declared it as a symbol of Christian division... However what I find most fascinating about the story of this church is that while the Christian denominations were bickering over who gets bragging rights and ownership of the church the keys of the church were entrusted to 2 Muslim families... One protects the key and guards it joudeh family, while the other is responsible for unlocking the doors... That has been the case since the 12th century and there have only ever been 2 keys since that time one of them broke, the current key is 500 years old.... This church stands as a lot more than a symbolic ladder that represents Christian division, it stands as a symbol of cooperation and unity between christians, Muslims and Jewish people since Israeli authorities have been tasked with protecting the ladder on numerous occasions


    I think it's rather beautiful to be honest

    Why Christianity’s holiest shrine is guarded by two Muslim families
     

    Jo

    Administrator
    Master Penguin
    #8
    If they are like many Arabs. Get a Russian prostitute to pole dance on the other side of the church for an hour. The ladder should be long gone by then. And the miracle might render them as saints.. keep medics in the vicinity ..as I don't know if their hearts can withstand the sudden surge of blood pressure.
    Actually the ladder was stolen in 1997 by this guy in the video below


    Fortunately, it was recovered after a few weeks :)
     

    Mighty Goat

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    #9
    Imagine what would happen if Lebanon includes a Qubtic Orthodox seat and an Armenian Orthodox seat in Parliament. This would be fun, and als why the Qubts have no seat in the Lebanese Parliament when the Assyrians and the Armenians have such a right. Is it an ethnic right or the Right of the Orthodox Church. Can someone explain how Orthodox Christianity operate?
     

    Iron Maiden

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    #10
    Imagine what would happen if Lebanon includes a Qubtic Orthodox seat and an Armenian Orthodox seat in Parliament. This would be fun, and als why the Qubts have no seat in the Lebanese Parliament when the Assyrians and the Armenians have such a right. Is it an ethnic right or the Right of the Orthodox Church. Can someone explain how Orthodox Christianity operate?
    Copts are inferior orthodox, we only accept superior quality orthodox, its like comparing turkey bacon to porc bacon..
     
    #16
    This ladder became more significant when the pope visited the holy land and declared it as a symbol of Christian division... However what I find most fascinating about the story of this church is that while the Christian denominations were bickering over who gets bragging rights and ownership of the church the keys of the church were entrusted to 2 Muslim families... One protects the key and guards it joudeh family, while the other is responsible for unlocking the doors... That has been the case since the 12th century and there have only ever been 2 keys since that time one of them broke, the current key is 500 years old.... This church stands as a lot more than a symbolic ladder that represents Christian division, it stands as a symbol of cooperation and unity between christians, Muslims and Jewish people since Israeli authorities have been tasked with protecting the ladder on numerous occasions


    I think it's rather beautiful to be honest

    Why Christianity’s holiest shrine is guarded by two Muslim families
    Time to call a locksmith
     

    Isabella

    The Queen Of "Bazella"
    Orange Room Supporter
    #20
    burn it now, better leave it back a hole in the ground than a cathedral of intolerance and hate
    It's not! The ladder stands as a symbol of Christian division, but the church itself is more a symbol of unity than anything else... 2 Muslim families have been entrusted with its key for centuries, the Jewish authorities offer it protection and Christians go there to pray... It is also one of the holiest sites in Christianity and an undisputed part of jerusalem's cultural and religious heritage, not to mention it is also one of the oldest churches still standing!

    But sure yes let's burn it!

    Edit: fixed typo :eek: