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The left and muslim conspiring to take cortoba historical cathedral from the church

Cortoba Cathedral should

  • Remain a Church

    Votes: 11 73.3%
  • Be also a mosque

    Votes: 2 13.3%
  • Be under civil control guided by the left

    Votes: 2 13.3%

  • Total voters
    15

Jorje

Legendary Member
- Spain's immense Arabic and Islamic heritage in art, architecture and knowledge (latter extends to all of Europe)
- Crusaders Holy wars against the natives in the Middle East, Christians and Muslims
- The Catholic's church role in killing, colonizing and enslaving people all around the globe
- The Catholic Church's history of persecuting Jews

are obviously all myths debunked by the sectarian brigade by copy pasting chunks of wikipedia articles they didn't even read.

I wonder what myth these no insight, disturbed narcissists towering intellectuals will debunk next.
 

JB81

Legendary Member
Historical persecutions should be taught to learn how to prevent them from happening in the future. But it also equivalent important to talk about the days of living in harmony and coexistence.

Generalization the Church the Christians did this or that... Because the time where Jews were being persecuted by Catholic Spain, the Catholic France and Poland received them as refugees. The time were Christian Nazis were committing genocide against the Jews, other Christians were fighting and dying to save the Jews.
 

GrumpForTrump

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
the "Dome shape" was taken from Mosques !! Crusaders have a tendency to deny everything Muslims innovated. Even the "0" is praised on youtube as an indian invention which is not true

I disagree with you on this one. The first to use a dome shape were the Romans.
The Pantheon in Rome predates Islam. It was built in 118 A.D.
 

Iron Maiden

Paragon of Bacon
Orange Room Supporter
next post about the holocaust in a thread discussing architecture gets a threadban

 

Dulle Griet

New Member
How sterile is the debate here?
The cathedral of Cordoba will NEVER return to be a mosque, at least until the majority of spaniards are white and christian.

If some fool issues a decree of converting it into a mosque, riots are going to happen in the streets, and at the first elections the left will be snuffed out and replaced by extreme right parties à la Francisco Franco.
PERIOD.

The only way to do that, is exploiting UN concepts such as "replacement migration" and slowly fill up Spain with muslims and africans. Once you get there, they themselves will ask for a reconversion of that cathedral.
The problem for them is, that they will never get there too, because as the migration increases, the natives become more and more intolerant and radicalized in their christian beliefs. Soon there will be a new eruption, and the era of globalism and muslimofilia is going to end: closed borders for people, closed borders for capital movements, national productions, national sovereignity: and all thanks to The Donald. Glory be with him.

By the way: every comparison with some muslim mosque in the fashion of "yes if the cathedral of Cordoba becomes as mosque then Hagya Sophia too" bla bla is just nonsense wishful blabbering.
EVERY SINGLE TIME in history, everyone who made concessions out of good will first, was immediately screwed by the opponents.
First be the muslims to make Hagya Sophia a church...then we'll...NOT make Cordoba's Cathedral a mosque: that's how it works, and that's how the muslims would do if the christians did the first move out of good will.
 

Iron Maiden

Paragon of Bacon
Orange Room Supporter
Hey jongar. You should have moved the discussion as you usually do. Walla you don't like it when someone reminds people about the church's role in spreading anti-Semitism?
Last time u didnt like it when i moved the posts, elet maybe you’ll enjoy this technique more.
now plz stay on topic grendizer
 

Dark Angel

Legendary Member
ماذا قال الإنعزالي العنصري إبن خلدون عن العرب:

وذلك أنهم بطبيعة التوحش الذي فيهم أهل انتهاب وعيث وينتهبون ما قدروا عليه من غير مغالبة ولا ركوب خطر ، ويفرون إلى منتجعهم بالقفر ولا يذهبون إلى المزاحفة والمحاربة إلا إذا دفعوا بذلك عن أنفسهم فكل معقل أو مستصعب عليهم فهم تاركوه إلى ما يسهل عنه ولا يعرضون له .
والقبائل الممتنعة عليهم باوعار الجبال بمنجاة من عيثهم وفسادهم لأنهم لا يتسنمون إليهم الهضاب ولا يركبون الصعاب ولا يحاولون الخطر .
وأما البسائط فمتى اقتدروا عليها بفقدان الحامية وضعف الدولة فهي نهب لهم وطعمة .
الفصل السادس والعشرون ( 149 - 150 )
باب .. في أن العرب إذا تغلبوا على أوطان أسرع إليها الخراب
والسبب في ذلك أنهم امة وحشية باستحكام عوائد التوحش وأسبابه فيهم فصار لهم خلقا وجبلة ، وكان عندهم ملذوذ لما فيه من الخروج عن ربقة الحكم وعدم الانقياد لسياسة وهذه الطبيعة منافية للعمران .
فالحجر مثلا أنما حاجتهم إليه لنصبه أثافي القدر ، فينقلونه من المباني ويخربونها عليه ويعدونه لذلك .

والخشب أيضا أنما حاجتهم إليه ليعمروا به خيامهم ويتخذوا الأوتاد منه لبيوتهم فيخربون السقف عليه لذلك فصارت طبيعة وجودهم منافية للبناء الذي هو أصل العمران هذا في حالهم على العموم .
أيضا طبيعتهم انتهاب ما في أيدي الناس ، وان رزقهم في ظلال رماحهم وليس عندهم في اخذ أموال الناس حد ينتهون إليه بل كلما امتدت أعينهم إلى مال أو متاع أو ماعون انتهبوه .
لا يكلفون على أهل ألأعمال من الصنائع والحرف أعمالهم ولا يرون لها قيمة ولا قسطا من الأجر والثمن .
ليست لهم عناية بالأحكام وزجر الناس عن المفاسد ودفاع بعضهم عن بعض أنما همهم ما يأخذونه من أموال الناس نهبا وغرامة .
وأيضا فهم متنافسون في الرئاسة وقل أن يسلم احد منهم الأمر لغيره ولو كان أباه أو أخاه أو كبير عشيرته إلا في الأقل وعلى كره من اجل الحياء ، فيتعدد الحكام منهم والأمراء وتختلف الأيدي على الرعية في الجباية والأحكام .. فيفسد العمران وينقض .
الفصل السابع والعشرون
باب في أن العرب لا يحصل لهم الملك إلا بصبغة دينية من نبوة أو ولاية أو اثر عظيم من الدين على الجملة ( 151 )
والسبب في ذلك أنهم لخلق التوحش الذي فيهم أصعب الأمم انقيادا بعضهم لبعض للغلظة والأنفة وبعد الهمة والمنافسة في الرئاسة فقلما تجتمع أهواؤهم فإذا كان الدين بالنبوة أو الولاية كان الوازع لهم من أنفسهم وذهب خلق الكبر والمنافسة منهم فسهل انقيادهم واجتماعهم ...
وهم مع ذلك أسرع الناس قبولا للحق والهدى لسلامة طباعهم من عوج الملكات وبراءتها من ذميم الأخلاق إلا ما كان من خلق التوحش القريب المعاناة المتهيئ لقبول الخير ببقائه على الفطرة الأولى وبعده عما ينطبع في النفوس من قبيح الوائد وسؤ الملكات .
الفصل الثامن والعشرون
باب في أن العرب ابعد الأمم عن سياسة الملك ( 151 -152 )
والسبب في ذلك أنهم أكثر بداوة من سائر الأمم وابعد مجالا في القفز وأغنى عن حاجات التلول وحبوبها لاعتيادهم الشظف وخشونة العيش ، فاستغنوا عن غيرهم فصعب انقياد بعضهم لبعض ..
ورئيسهم محتاج إليهم غالبا للعصبية التي بها المدافعة .. فكان مضطرا إلى إحسان ملكتهم وترك مرا غمتهم لئلا يختل عليه شان عصبيته فيكون فيها هلاكه وهلاكهم .
الفصل الرابع من الكتاب الأول ( الفصل الحادي والعشرون
باب في أن العرب ابعد الناس عن الصنائع ( 404 )
والسبب في ذلك أنهم اعرق في البداوة وابعد عن العمران الحضري وما يدعو إليه من الصنائع وغيرها .. والعجم من أهل المشرق وأمم النصرانية عدوة البحر الرومي أقوم الناس عليها لأنهم اعرق في العمران الحضري وابعد عن البداوة وعمرانه .
ولهذا نجد أوطان العرب وما ملكوه في السلام قليل الصنائع بالجملة حتى تجلب إليه من قطر آخر وانظر بلاد العجم من الصين والهند والترك وأمم النصرانية كيف استكثرت فيهم الصنائع .
الفصل الخامس والثلاثون
في أن حملة العلم في الإسلام أكثرهم من العجم ( 543)
من الغريب الواقع أن حملة العلم في الملة الإسلامية أكثرهم العجم لا من العلوم الشرعية ولا من العلوم العقلية إلا في القليل النادر وان كان منهم العربي في نسبه فهو أعجمي في لغته ومرباه ومشيخته مع العلم أن الملة عربية وصاحب شريعتها عربي .
والسبب في ذلك أن الملة في أولها لم يكن فيها علم ولا صناعة لمقتضى أحوال السذاجة والبداوة .

وأما العلوم العقلية أيضا فلم تظهر في الملة إلا بعد أن تميز العلم ومؤلفوه واستقر العلم كله صناعة فاختصت بالعجم وتركتها العرب وانصرفوا عن انتحالها فلم يحمله إلا المعربون من العجم شان الصنائع كما قلنا أولا .
المصدر : كتاب مقدمة ابن خلدون
طبعة دار القلم (بيروت -لبنان )
 

Ralph N

Well-Known Member
I posted a list of Christian military conquest, forced conversions, inquisitions, religious wars... So please spare me the revisionist history that christianity was spread peacefully. At one time there was something called the Holy Roman Empire...

Christianity spread peacefully before the Holy Roman Empire... as a matter of fact we would do much better spiritually if Constantine didnt adopt Christianity in the way he did.... he is the source of all evil made in the name of Christ ....
 

Dark Angel

Legendary Member
inno @Ralph N in one thread argues that Christ is canaanite associated with el, poseidon, adonis and god knows what else, and in the other he says "we" Christians could have done better had it not been for what Constantine has done.

seriously dude, stop pretending to be Christian.
 

Ralph N

Well-Known Member
inno @Ralph N in one thread argues that Christ is canaanite associated with el, poseidon, adonis and god knows what else, and in the other he says "we" Christians could have done better had it not been for what Constantine has done.

seriously dude, stop pretending to be Christian.


What part of my saying is against the teachings of Jesus.... Seriously man are you loyal to the Church even if its fake and untrue or Jesus?....
 

Thawra # Furoshima

Well-Known Member
- Spain's immense Arabic and Islamic heritage in art, architecture and knowledge (latter extends to all of Europe)
- Crusaders Holy wars against the natives in the Middle East, Christians and Muslims
- The Catholic's church role in killing, colonizing and enslaving people all around the globe
- The Catholic Church's history of persecuting Jews

are obviously all myths debunked by the sectarian brigade by copy pasting chunks of wikipedia articles they didn't even read.

I wonder what myth these no insight, disturbed narcissists towering intellectuals will debunk next.
Lies lies lies
??
Muslim Terrorists jihad begins on Christians in the Middle East Europe and North Africa in 632 after the death of the pedophile Mohammad

Bartolomé de las Casas - Wikipedia
Bartolomé de las Casas - Wikipedia

Church defended Natives although native were supporting human sacrifice
Because of the Church and Colombia you are putting your unholy butt on American soil ??
Nazis Communism and modern enlightenment caused national and world wars much more deadly than anything the Church commited
Bartolomé de las Casas - Wikipedia
We are living 2018 after Christ Birth
His life with Mary is the basis of your calendar and Civilization
Ho ho ho
Merry Christmas
????????????????
 

Indie

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
What part of my saying is against the teachings of Jesus.... Seriously man are you loyal to the Church even if its fake and untrue or Jesus?....

If you understood the concept of the Church, you would not make the claim that it is "fake and untrue to Jesus." By its very nature, the Church cannot be those things, even if individuals that are part of it can be.

You have probably fallen under the grasp of some protestant missionaries, or some other anti-Catholic sect, which is very unfortunate. Although, even protestants wouldn't go as far as comparing Jesus and Mary to pagan gods; so, it's probably the latter.
 

Thawra # Furoshima

Well-Known Member
If you understood the concept of the Church, you would not make the claim that it is "fake and untrue to Jesus." By its very nature, the Church cannot be those things, even if individuals that are part of it can be.

You have probably fallen under the grasp of some protestant missionaries, or some other anti-Catholic sect, which is very unfortunate. Although, even protestants wouldn't go as far as comparing Jesus and Mary to pagan gods; so, it's probably the latter.
???❤️❤️
Always Wisest
 

Ralph N

Well-Known Member
If you understood the concept of the Church, you would not make the claim that it is "fake and untrue to Jesus." By its very nature, the Church cannot be those things, even if individuals that are part of it can be.

You have probably fallen under the grasp of some protestant missionaries, or some other anti-Catholic sect, which is very unfortunate. Although, even protestants wouldn't go as far as comparing Jesus and Mary to pagan gods; so, it's probably the latter.


I dont like Protestant because they Dont respect Mother Marry and I respect her a lot and I pray for her everyday on my way to work....
I am not anti Catholic and I am not against the Church... I am as u said against the people who acted against the teachings of Jesus Christ... Catholics consider Constantine a Great and Holy and a Saint.. Look at his life, where is his holy-ness...? When he killed people for conversion? When he forced bishops in the council of necea to agree to his terms and produce this Bible?...

I didnt compare Jesus to Adonis, I said they have the same culture and same teachings .... It would be very unwise to ignore the similarities between the two.... And one should make an effort to look into it more deeply if he wants the truth, but for those who are happy in the lie they live in its more then enough..

Annat was the virgin Marry in ancient times, it had the same characteristics...

  • Anat, virgin goddess of war and strife, sister and putative mate of Ba'al Hadad. (I am not trying to fit it together, Constantine tried so hard to tear it apart.. He didnt succeed..)
If anyone wanna ignore this reality he is blocking the way for the truth that Jesus was never a Jew and his message was not about kingship and power, it was about spirituality love and kindness like EL and Adonis promised...
 
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