The Levant’s DNA mosaic

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    SAVO

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    But according to our anti-semitic members, Jews are completely foreign colonizers, so how can a Lebanese girl score 42.6 Jewish on a DNA test?


    many jews belong to haplogroup U1b , i have U1a .. so i suppose there must be a sort of true connection ...
     
    SAVO

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    23andme are not accurate with the labels.

    Weird for a communist to put his trust in private corporations and share with them data about his DNA.
    i made it out of curiosity..i like those stuff..hence i dont built a lot on the result .. lets say just for fun
     
    SAVO

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    The tests Tell you which part of the world your ancestors were from... I did one, and now I know both my maternal and paternal haplogroup :) so I share ancestry with people who have the same haplogroups! Massalan, I share DNA with one of the first American presidents! The rest is much less extraordinary ...
    well i share DNA non less than wis Ramsees II

    Paternal Haplogroup
    What do you and Ramesses III have in common? An ancient common ancestor on your paternal line.
     
    SAVO

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    That's not a very good reason, the thing I like about genetics is the ability to know when, how and why your ancestors came to Lebanon. You can use Y-DNA haplogroups for a good insight on that too ^ All Lebanese sects (except Druze) have J2 (J-M172) as the most frequent haplogroup for example. @Ice Tea
    me U1a and E-L485 .. what u do conclude from my result ?

    i know that Adolf hitler haplogroup is "E" too :D
     
    SAVO

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    Most informative tests in your case are going to be Eurogenes K13, K15, MDLP K23b, K16 Modern & PuntDNAL K13.

    Have you done G25?
    this is my K13 result
    Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
    K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

    Admix Results (sorted):





















































    #
    Population
    Percent

    1​
    East_Med
    44.12​

    2​
    West_Asian
    25.85​

    3​
    Red_Sea
    10.61​

    4​
    West_Med
    10.6​

    5​
    North_Atlantic
    4.28​

    6​
    South_Asian
    1.8​

    7​
    Northeast_African
    1.34​

    8​
    Oceanian
    0.71​

    9​
    Sub-Saharan
    0.7​


    Single Population Sharing:












































































































    #
    Population (source)
    Distance

    1​
    Lebanese_Muslim
    5.62​

    2​
    Kurdish_Jewish
    5.87​

    3​
    Lebanese_Druze
    5.94​

    4​
    Iranian_Jewish
    6.27​

    5​
    Lebanese_Christian
    7.5​

    6​
    Syrian
    8.05​

    7​
    Assyrian
    8.46​

    8​
    Samaritan
    9.35​

    9​
    Palestinian
    10.33​

    10​
    Jordanian
    10.41​

    11​
    Cyprian
    10.72​

    12​
    Georgian_Jewish
    12.16​

    13​
    Armenian
    15.05​

    14​
    Turkish
    16.04​

    15​
    Tunisian_Jewish
    16.16​

    16​
    Bedouin
    16.41​

    17​
    Libyan_Jewish
    16.92​

    18​
    Azeri
    18.14​

    19​
    Sephardic_Jewish
    18.25​

    20​
    Kurdish
    19.67​

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:












































































































































































































































    #
    Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source)
    Distance

    1​

    50.3%​
    Kurdish_Jewish +
    49.7%​
    Lebanese_Druze @
    2.35​

    2​

    69.2%​
    Lebanese_Druze +
    30.8%​
    Georgian_Jewish @
    2.73​

    3​

    60.5%​
    Lebanese_Druze +
    39.5%​
    Assyrian @
    2.87​

    4​

    74.1%​
    Lebanese_Druze +
    25.9%​
    Armenian @
    2.91​

    5​

    51.8%​
    Lebanese_Druze +
    48.2%​
    Iranian_Jewish @
    2.91​

    6​

    85.7%​
    Lebanese_Druze +
    14.3%​
    Georgian @
    2.99​

    7​

    86.3%​
    Lebanese_Druze +
    13.7%​
    Abhkasian @
    3.08​

    8​

    79.4%​
    Lebanese_Druze +
    20.6%​
    Kurdish @
    3.16​

    9​

    76.5%​
    Kurdish_Jewish +
    23.5%​
    Tunisian_Jewish @
    3.29​

    10​

    79.9%​
    Lebanese_Druze +
    20.1%​
    Iranian @
    3.37​

    11​

    56%​
    Iranian_Jewish +
    44%​
    Lebanese_Christian @
    3.42​

    12​

    87.7%​
    Lebanese_Druze +
    12.3%​
    Ossetian @
    3.45​

    13​

    77.8%​
    Kurdish_Jewish +
    22.2%​
    Libyan_Jewish @
    3.47​

    14​

    67.4%​
    Kurdish_Jewish +
    32.6%​
    Palestinian @
    3.53​

    15​

    55.8%​
    Assyrian +
    44.2%​
    Palestinian @
    3.57​

    16​

    75.4%​
    Iranian_Jewish +
    24.6%​
    Tunisian_Jewish @
    3.59​

    17​

    62.8%​
    Iranian_Jewish +
    37.2%​
    Samaritan @
    3.63​

    18​

    74.7%​
    Lebanese_Christian +
    25.3%​
    Kurdish @
    3.63​

    19​

    91.3%​
    Lebanese_Druze +
    8.7%​
    Brahui @
    3.63​

    20​

    90.3%​
    Lebanese_Druze +
    9.7%​
    Makrani @
    3.67
     
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    ܐܵܠܘܼܟ̰ܵܐ

    ܐܵܠܘܼܟ̰ܵܐ

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    @SAVO My results are somewhat close to you (as a Leb Druze). But different haplogroups. I'm J2a1a and G-FGC12126.



    k13results.PNG
     
    SAVO

    SAVO

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    My result with K15

    Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:
    Admix Results (sorted):





















































    #
    Population
    Percent

    1​
    East_Med
    43.28​

    2​
    West_Asian
    25.74​

    3​
    Red_Sea
    10.95​

    4​
    Atlantic
    6.95​

    5​
    West_Med
    6.79​

    6​
    Northeast_African
    2.2​

    7​
    Baltic
    2.08​

    8​
    South_Asian
    1.48​

    9​
    Oceanian
    0.53​


    Single Population Sharing:












































































































    #
    Population (source)
    Distance

    1​
    Lebanese_Muslim
    5.69​

    2​
    Iranian_Jewish
    6.62​

    3​
    Kurdish_Jewish
    6.66​

    4​
    Assyrian
    8.24​

    5​
    Syrian
    8.51​

    6​
    Lebanese_Christian
    8.64​

    7​
    Lebanese_Druze
    9.4​

    8​
    Samaritan
    10.61​

    9​
    Cyprian
    10.96​

    10​
    Georgian_Jewish
    11.54​

    11​
    Jordanian
    11.76​

    12​
    Palestinian
    11.88​

    13​
    Armenian
    14.7​

    14​
    Turkish
    15.27​

    15​
    Tunisian_Jewish
    15.43​

    16​
    Kurdish
    16.44​

    17​
    Bedouin
    16.7​

    18​
    Azeri
    16.74​

    19​
    Sephardic_Jewish
    17.47​

    20​
    Iranian
    17.57
     
    ܐܵܠܘܼܟ̰ܵܐ

    ܐܵܠܘܼܟ̰ܵܐ

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    ur druse from which town ?

    im counted as shia as for registers.
    I'm Druze from Aley province. My ancestors were the rulers of Jabal El Druze in Syria before the Torshan. My family is not one of the standard old Lebanese Druze families like Maan and Abu Shakra. But genetically close.
     
    ܐܵܠܘܼܟ̰ܵܐ

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    My K15.

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    My HarrapaWorld (I find this the most accurate)

    1573978483717.png
     
    SAVO

    SAVO

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    I'm Druze from Aley province. My ancestors were the rulers of Jabal El Druze in Syria before the Torshan. My family is not one of the standard old Lebanese Druze families like Maan and Abu Shakra. But genetically close.
    thats nice that u have a historical track of your family origin ..
    i have no clue .. more than that my parets are from Beirut and nabatieh .. as origin..
     
    SAVO

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    HarappaWorld Admixture Proportions
    Admix Results (sorted):































    #
    Population
    Percent
    1​
    Caucasian
    44.36​
    2​
    SW-Asian
    22.58​
    3​
    Baloch
    13.94​
    4​
    Mediterranean
    12.88​
    5​
    NE-Euro
    2.98​
    6​
    E-African
    2.25​
    7​
    Papuan
    0.71​
    8​
    SE-Asian
    0.28​
    9​
    S-Indian
    0.02​

    Single Population Sharing:
































































    #
    Population (source)
    Distance
    1​
    lebanese (behar)
    4.51​
    2​
    lebanese-muslim (haber)
    4.74​
    3​
    palestinian (harappa)
    5.45​
    4​
    syrian (behar)
    5.6​
    5​
    lebanese-christian (haber)
    6.58​
    6​
    lebanese-druze (haber)
    7.04​
    7​
    iraq-jew (behar)
    7.22​
    8​
    iraqi-mandaean (harappa)
    9.13​
    9​
    iranian-jew (behar)
    9.17​
    10​
    georgia-jew (behar)
    9.21​
    11​
    jordanian (behar)
    9.3​
    12​
    uzbekistan-jew (behar)
    9.35​
    13​
    iraqi-arab (harappa)
    9.47​
    14​
    armenian (harappa)
    9.5​
    15​
    assyrian (harappa)
    10.62​
    16​
    cypriot (behar)
    10.82​
    17​
    azerbaijan-jew (behar)
    11.5​
    18​
    palestinian (hgdp)
    11.51​
    19​
    samaritian (behar)
    12.35​
    20​
    turkish (harappa)
    13.03​
     
    SAVO

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    @Mysobalanus
    yes indeed there is lot of common factors ..do u have 23andme result
    we need help from zallou3a guy :D
     
    ܐܵܠܘܼܟ̰ܵܐ

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    thats nice that u have a historical track of your family origin ..
    i have no clue .. more than that my parets are from Beirut and nabatieh .. as origin..
    Most Leb Druze seem to be descendants of Mountaineers (Armenian / Turkish / Iranian) from the region around Turkey / Anatolia / Georgia.

    Even Arslan a very early Leb Druze family in old Kesrwan has a Turkish name. And it's Turkish counterpart in modern-day Turkey.

    And 20% of the Druze are pure Old Armenian. While the rest range between Armenians to standard Lebanese.

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    Many Maronite and Shiah families were initially Druze. In the Ottoman days, Lebanon was called "Durzia". Before the fall of Druze political leadership.

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    So while current Druze kept their genetic snapshot, other sects might have been Druze as well, which explains why Maronites and Druze score very similar results but claim very different origins.
     
    ܐܵܠܘܼܟ̰ܵܐ

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    @Mysobalanus
    yes indeed there is lot of common factors ..do u have 23andme result
    we need help from zallou3a guy :D
    Yes. But 23andme updated my results recently and made me 20% Iranian after I was all Levantine. Lol.
     
    SAVO

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    Most Leb Druze seem to be descendants of Mountaineers (Armenian / Turkish / Iranian) from the region around Turkey / Anatolia / Georgia.

    Even Arslan a very early Leb Druze family in old Kesrwan has a Turkish name. And it's Turkish counterpart in modern-day Turkey.

    And 20% of the Druze are pure Old Armenian. While the rest range between Armenians to standard Lebanese.

    View attachment 15058


    Many Maronite and Shiah families were initially Druze. In the Ottoman days, Lebanon was called "Durzia". Before the fall of Druze political leadership.

    View attachment 15059


    So while current Druze kept their genetic snapshot, other sects might have been Druze as well, which explains why Maronites and Druze score very similar results but claim very different origins.
    man this map is confusing me . what period is this map dated=?
     
    SAVO

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    Yes. But 23andme updated my results recently and made me 20% Iranian after I was all Levantine. Lol.

    mine is :

    arab levantine egyptian : 54.8 ( 37.7 levantine (lebanon ) , egypt 5.9, penisular arab 1.9,coptic 0.2, broadly arab egyptian levantine 8.9 % )

    northern west asia 40.50 (iranian, caucasian & mesopotamian 23% , Anatolian 8.9 , cypriot 1.2 % , broadly northern western asian 7.4 )

    broadly western asian and northern african ; 4.6 %

    and here 0.1 change , once they say siberian ( and one of my grandfather from jacuzia (siberia ) as for 23ndme lived in the 700 ', and once 0,1 brodly chinese & south east Asian )
     
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