The Levant’s DNA mosaic

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  • XMyso

    XMyso

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    mine is :

    arab levantine egyptian : 54.8 ( 37.7 levantine (lebanon ) , egypt 5.9, penisular arab 1.9,coptic 0.2, broadly arab egyptian levantine 8.9 % )

    northern west asia 40.50 (iranian, caucasian & mesopotamian 23% , Anatolian 8.9 , cypriot 1.2 % , broadly northern western asian 7.4 )

    broadly western asian and northern african ; 4.6 %

    and here 0.1 change , once they say siberian ( and one of my grandfather from jacuzia (siberia ) as for 23ndme lived in the 700 ', and once 0,1 brodly chinese & south east Asian )

    Almost the same. In these results, I'm more Levantine (Lebanon) and less West Asian than you.

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    SAVO

    SAVO

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    and here 0.1 change , once they say siberian ( and one of my grandfather from jacuzia (siberia ) as for 23ndme lived in the 700 ', and once 0,1 brodly chinese & south east Asian )

    this chinese 0,1 could be explained by genetic mutation due to eating pasta :D

    kidding apart . your theory of druse could give correct explanation.. ill try to ask some parents if we have druse relatives..
    i have catholic relatives but druse have no clue ...
     
    Ice Tea

    Ice Tea

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    this is my K13 result
    Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
    K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

    Admix Results (sorted):





















































    #
    Population
    Percent

    1​
    East_Med
    44.12​

    2​
    West_Asian
    25.85​

    3​
    Red_Sea
    10.61​

    4​
    West_Med
    10.6​

    5​
    North_Atlantic
    4.28​

    6​
    South_Asian
    1.8​

    7​
    Northeast_African
    1.34​

    8​
    Oceanian
    0.71​

    9​
    Sub-Saharan
    0.7​


    Single Population Sharing:












































































































    #
    Population (source)
    Distance

    1​
    Lebanese_Muslim
    5.62​

    2​
    Kurdish_Jewish
    5.87​

    3​
    Lebanese_Druze
    5.94​

    4​
    Iranian_Jewish
    6.27​

    5​
    Lebanese_Christian
    7.5​

    6​
    Syrian
    8.05​

    7​
    Assyrian
    8.46​

    8​
    Samaritan
    9.35​

    9​
    Palestinian
    10.33​

    10​
    Jordanian
    10.41​

    11​
    Cyprian
    10.72​

    12​
    Georgian_Jewish
    12.16​

    13​
    Armenian
    15.05​

    14​
    Turkish
    16.04​

    15​
    Tunisian_Jewish
    16.16​

    16​
    Bedouin
    16.41​

    17​
    Libyan_Jewish
    16.92​

    18​
    Azeri
    18.14​

    19​
    Sephardic_Jewish
    18.25​

    20​
    Kurdish
    19.67​

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:












































































































































































































































    #
    Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source)
    Distance

    1​

    50.3%​
    Kurdish_Jewish +
    49.7%​
    Lebanese_Druze @
    2.35​

    2​

    69.2%​
    Lebanese_Druze +
    30.8%​
    Georgian_Jewish @
    2.73​

    3​

    60.5%​
    Lebanese_Druze +
    39.5%​
    Assyrian @
    2.87​

    4​

    74.1%​
    Lebanese_Druze +
    25.9%​
    Armenian @
    2.91​

    5​

    51.8%​
    Lebanese_Druze +
    48.2%​
    Iranian_Jewish @
    2.91​

    6​

    85.7%​
    Lebanese_Druze +
    14.3%​
    Georgian @
    2.99​

    7​

    86.3%​
    Lebanese_Druze +
    13.7%​
    Abhkasian @
    3.08​

    8​

    79.4%​
    Lebanese_Druze +
    20.6%​
    Kurdish @
    3.16​

    9​

    76.5%​
    Kurdish_Jewish +
    23.5%​
    Tunisian_Jewish @
    3.29​

    10​

    79.9%​
    Lebanese_Druze +
    20.1%​
    Iranian @
    3.37​

    11​

    56%​
    Iranian_Jewish +
    44%​
    Lebanese_Christian @
    3.42​

    12​

    87.7%​
    Lebanese_Druze +
    12.3%​
    Ossetian @
    3.45​

    13​

    77.8%​
    Kurdish_Jewish +
    22.2%​
    Libyan_Jewish @
    3.47​

    14​

    67.4%​
    Kurdish_Jewish +
    32.6%​
    Palestinian @
    3.53​

    15​

    55.8%​
    Assyrian +
    44.2%​
    Palestinian @
    3.57​

    16​

    75.4%​
    Iranian_Jewish +
    24.6%​
    Tunisian_Jewish @
    3.59​

    17​

    62.8%​
    Iranian_Jewish +
    37.2%​
    Samaritan @
    3.63​

    18​

    74.7%​
    Lebanese_Christian +
    25.3%​
    Kurdish @
    3.63​

    19​

    91.3%​
    Lebanese_Druze +
    8.7%​
    Brahui @
    3.63​

    20​

    90.3%​
    Lebanese_Druze +
    9.7%​
    Makrani @
    3.67

    Nice results. Very close to Mizrahi Jews. You're of Shia background right? From the South?
     
    SAVO

    SAVO

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    Nice results. Very close to Mizrahi Jews. You're of Shia background right? From the South?
    yes

    most probably my ancestors converted at some point ..
    i have many christian relatives . ..
    if u see the list of people that i share DNA with , as for the 23andme ... i have many relatives jews from poland :D
     
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    Ice Tea

    Ice Tea

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    Your ancestors were most likely Jews who were converted by force then. Also notice the distance that Palestinians are in your Oracle despite you being from South, you're much closer to Israelis overall.
     
    SAVO

    SAVO

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    Your ancestors were most likely Jews who were converted by force then. Also notice the distance that Palestinians are in your Oracle despite you being from South, you're much closer to Israelis overall.

    politically i sympathize with palestinians .. and im radically anti zionist .. ( im not anti jewish though , since i smpatize with jews due to long history of anti semitism in europe .. i have many jewish friends and i know many who are affiliated in the italian comunist party = ..

    do u have more historical info about the forced convertions ? if u can put some links . im curious to approximate the period in which my ancestor had to convert ...
     
    SAVO

    SAVO

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    @Mysobalanus i was trying with various tests on gedmatch. and this is my result

    Ancient Eurasia K6 Oracle results:
    gedrosia K6 Oracle

    Admix Results (sorted):




















    #
    Population
    Percent
    1​
    Natufian
    55.14​
    2​
    Ancestral_North_Eurasian
    24.19​
    3​
    West_European_Hunter_Gartherer
    17.37​
    4​
    Ancestral_South_Eurasian
    2.93​
    5​
    Sub_Saharan
    0.36​


    Single Population Sharing:

































































    #
    Population (source)
    Distance
    1​
    Druze
    3.51​
    2​
    Cypriot
    3.96​
    3​
    Lebanese
    6.86​
    4​
    Jew_Iranian
    7.74​
    5​
    Assyrian
    7.81​
    6​
    Jew_iraqi
    8.09​
    7​
    Armenia_ChL
    8.67​
    8​
    Syrian
    9.04​
    9​
    Palestinian
    9.39​
    10​
    Jew_Tunisian
    9.62​
    11​
    Georgian
    9.82​
    12​
    Jordanian
    9.96​
    13​
    Saudi
    10.04​
    14​
    Jew_Moroccan
    10.04​
    15​
    Turkish
    10.62​
    16​
    Jew_Yemenite
    10.7​
    17​
    Jew_Libyan
    11.11​
    18​
    Levant_BA
    12​
    19​
    Jew_Ashkenazi
    13.12​
    20​
    Italian_South
    13.14​
     
    SAVO

    SAVO

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    MDLP K16 Modern Oracle results:
    MDLP K16 2xOracle and OracleX4

    Admix Results (sorted):
































    #
    Population
    Percent
    1​
    Caucasian
    54.73​
    2​
    Neolithic
    13.93​
    3​
    NearEast
    11.35​
    4​
    Steppe
    6.73​
    5​
    Indian
    5.6​
    6​
    NorthAfrican
    4.75​
    7​
    NorthEastEuropean
    1.74​
    8​
    Oceanic
    0.92​
    9​
    Australian
    0.24​


    Single Population Sharing:

































































    #
    Population (source)
    Distance
    1​
    Jew (Georgia)
    4.22​
    2​
    Armenian (Vardnis)
    4.23​
    3​
    Armenian (Vanatur_Hrazdan)
    4.37​
    4​
    Assyrian (Armenia)
    4.63​
    5​
    Armenian (Lebanon)
    4.72​
    6​
    Druze (Mount_Carmel)
    5.3​
    7​
    Armenian (Yerevan)
    5.32​
    8​
    Assyrian (Armavir)
    5.62​
    9​
    Armenian (Gavar)
    5.92​
    10​
    Assyrian (Turkey)
    5.92​
    11​
    Armenian (Dprabak)
    5.94​
    12​
    Armenian (Yegvard)
    5.95​
    13​
    Lebanese (Lebanon)
    6.05​
    14​
    Armenian (Martuni)
    6.09​
    15​
    Jew (Iraqi)
    6.13​
    16​
    Jew (Iran)
    6.31​
    17​
    Jew (Azerbaijan)
    6.34​
    18​
    Armenian (Erzrum)
    6.44​
    19​
    Assyrian (Iraq)
    6.49​
    20​
    Armenian (Chambarak)
    6.78​
     
    XMyso

    XMyso

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    Hmm interesting. I get Druze and Druze_Mount_Carmel in another.

    Ancient Eurasia K6 4-Ancestors Oracle

    Admix Results (sorted):


















    #
    Population
    Percent
    1​
    Natufian
    53.63​
    2​
    Ancestral_North_Eurasian
    26.52​
    3​
    West_European_Hunter_Gartherer
    14.68​
    4​
    Ancestral_South_Eurasian
    5.17​



    Finished reading population data. 136 populations found.
    6 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Druze @ 5.222883
    2 Jew_Iranian @ 5.232797
    3 Assyrian @ 5.256843
    4 Jew_iraqi @ 6.163783
    5 Georgian @ 7.176265
    6 Lebanese @ 7.696105
    7 Cypriot @ 8.366803
    8 Syrian @ 8.805370
    9 Armenia_ChL @ 9.246531
    10 Palestinian @ 10.229544
    11 Iran_N_WC1 @ 10.239142
    12 Jordanian @ 10.301455
    13 Iranian @ 10.587029
    14 Azeri @ 10.656178
    15 Turkish @ 10.730570
    16 Kurd_C @ 10.835514
    17 Saudi @ 11.246874
    18 Iran_recent @ 11.349676
    19 Adygei @ 11.429813
    20 Jew_Yemenite @ 11.895473



    MDLP K16 Modern 4-Ancestors Oracle
    This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
    Questions about results should be sent to him at: [email protected]
    Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
    Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

    MDLP K16 2xOracle and OracleX4

    Admix Results (sorted):



























    #
    Population
    Percent
    1​
    Caucasian
    56.35​
    2​
    Neolithic
    15.92​
    3​
    NearEast
    11.46​
    4​
    Steppe
    5.91​
    5​
    Indian
    4.56​
    6​
    NorthAfrican
    3.51​
    7​
    Ancestor
    1.59​



    Finished reading population data. 517 populations found.
    16 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Druze_Mount_Carmel @ 5.556221
    2 Armenian_Vanatur_Hrazdan @ 5.975195
    3 Armenian_Lebanon @ 6.177071
    4 Jew_Iraqi @ 6.260164
    5 Armenian_Vardnis @ 6.325698
    6 Jew_Georgia @ 7.054636
    7 Assyrian_Armenia @ 7.087153
    8 Jew_Georgia @ 7.936660
    9 Armenian_Yerevan @ 7.964397
    10 Jew_Iran @ 7.978742
    11 Assyrian_Armavir @ 8.558261
    12 Lebanese_Lebanon @ 8.569369
    13 Cypriot_Cyprus @ 8.890902
    14 Armenian_Dprabak @ 9.045150
    15 Assyrian_Turkey @ 9.068155
    16 Armenian_Gavar @ 9.072354
    17 Armenian_Armenia @ 9.148512
    18 Armenian_Yegvard @ 9.150952
    19 Armenian_Martuni @ 9.204275
    20 Armenian_Armenia @ 9.229562
     
    SAVO

    SAVO

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    @Mysobalanus
    we got somehow very similar pattern.. our ancestor belong to the same line..
    how do u explain the armenian and cipriot presence..

    and what is the pattern of druze with jews ?

    natufian were ancient people in the levant ( lebanon and palestine ) that lived before the phoenicians

    Natufian culture - Wikipedia
     
    XMyso

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    @Mysobalanus
    we got somehow very similar pattern.. our ancestor belong to the same line..
    how do u explain the armenian and cipriot presence..

    and what is the pattern of druze with jews ?

    natufian were ancient people in the levant ( lebanon and palestine ) that lived before the phoenicians

    Natufian culture - Wikipedia
    Armenians, Mountain Jews (old Ashkenazi) and Georgians live around Turkey / Zagaros mountains. Some event of persecution or war, probably Byzantine armies in 7-8th century AD, lead droves of our ancestors to migrate to empty Lebanese Mountains.

    Druze carry a better snapshot of those genes (from 10th century) as confirmed scientifically (The Druze: A Population Genetic Refugium of the Near East) as they don't marry outside their faith and have protected their women from rape (aside from an early instance in Syria with Ibn Barbariyah the Bedouin). The migration can be seen in this graph.

    1574181930577.png


    There's also a proposed modern controversial theory that old Ashkenazi Jews themselves came from Anatolia, initially, with other neighbors (e.g Druze), and met each other again in Lebanon and Israel (Genetic research claims to trace mysterious origins of Israel’s Druze). (Before European admixture).

    The local Lebanese population seemed to be under a heavy Armenian - Jewish influence. While the Palestininian was more under a Bedouin one. The Syrian Alewites were conquered and genocided by Tartars, Franks, Bedouins, Mongols and many other groups. So they're even harder to pin down. But were most likely heavily influenced by Armenians and Jews as well.
     
    XMyso

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    But nothing is for sure. The Levant is a melting pot.
     
    SAVO

    SAVO

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    Armenians, Mountain Jews (old Ashkenazi) and Georgians live around Turkey / Zagaros mountains. Some event of persecution or war, probably Byzantine armies in 7-8th century AD, lead droves of our ancestors to migrate to empty Lebanese Mountains.

    Druze carry a better snapshot of those genes (from 10th century) as confirmed scientifically (The Druze: A Population Genetic Refugium of the Near East) as they don't marry outside their faith and have protected their women from rape (aside from an early instance in Syria with Ibn Barbariyah the Bedouin). The migration can be seen in this graph.

    View attachment 15229


    There's also a proposed modern controversial theory that old Ashkenazi Jews themselves came from Anatolia, initially, with other neighbors (e.g Druze), and met each other again in Lebanon and Israel (Genetic research claims to trace mysterious origins of Israel’s Druze). (Before European admixture).

    The local Lebanese population seemed to be under a heavy Armenian - Jewish influence. While the Palestininian was more under a Bedouin one. The Syrian Alewites were conquered and genocided by Tartars, Franks, Bedouins, Mongols and many other groups. So they're even harder to pin down. But were most likely heavily influenced by Armenians and Jews as well.

    need to make a historical reseach about that .. history of those population , religions , persecution , migration , conversions ..
    i feel that this is our case since we share common factors .. the difference is by marriage , ur druze so i presume your ancestor kept on the heredity line while in my case is not .. ..i need to know wether the line is from dad part or mom part ..
     
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