The Levant’s DNA mosaic

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  • ܐܵܠܘܼܟ̰ܵܐ

    ܐܵܠܘܼܟ̰ܵܐ

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    mine is :

    arab levantine egyptian : 54.8 ( 37.7 levantine (lebanon ) , egypt 5.9, penisular arab 1.9,coptic 0.2, broadly arab egyptian levantine 8.9 % )

    northern west asia 40.50 (iranian, caucasian & mesopotamian 23% , Anatolian 8.9 , cypriot 1.2 % , broadly northern western asian 7.4 )

    broadly western asian and northern african ; 4.6 %

    and here 0.1 change , once they say siberian ( and one of my grandfather from jacuzia (siberia ) as for 23ndme lived in the 700 ', and once 0,1 brodly chinese & south east Asian )

    Almost the same. In these results, I'm more Levantine (Lebanon) and less West Asian than you.

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    SAVO

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    and here 0.1 change , once they say siberian ( and one of my grandfather from jacuzia (siberia ) as for 23ndme lived in the 700 ', and once 0,1 brodly chinese & south east Asian )

    this chinese 0,1 could be explained by genetic mutation due to eating pasta :D

    kidding apart . your theory of druse could give correct explanation.. ill try to ask some parents if we have druse relatives..
    i have catholic relatives but druse have no clue ...
     
    Ice Tea

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    this is my K13 result
    Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
    K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

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    #
    Population
    Percent

    1​
    East_Med
    44.12​

    2​
    West_Asian
    25.85​

    3​
    Red_Sea
    10.61​

    4​
    West_Med
    10.6​

    5​
    North_Atlantic
    4.28​

    6​
    South_Asian
    1.8​

    7​
    Northeast_African
    1.34​

    8​
    Oceanian
    0.71​

    9​
    Sub-Saharan
    0.7​


    Single Population Sharing:












































































































    #
    Population (source)
    Distance

    1​
    Lebanese_Muslim
    5.62​

    2​
    Kurdish_Jewish
    5.87​

    3​
    Lebanese_Druze
    5.94​

    4​
    Iranian_Jewish
    6.27​

    5​
    Lebanese_Christian
    7.5​

    6​
    Syrian
    8.05​

    7​
    Assyrian
    8.46​

    8​
    Samaritan
    9.35​

    9​
    Palestinian
    10.33​

    10​
    Jordanian
    10.41​

    11​
    Cyprian
    10.72​

    12​
    Georgian_Jewish
    12.16​

    13​
    Armenian
    15.05​

    14​
    Turkish
    16.04​

    15​
    Tunisian_Jewish
    16.16​

    16​
    Bedouin
    16.41​

    17​
    Libyan_Jewish
    16.92​

    18​
    Azeri
    18.14​

    19​
    Sephardic_Jewish
    18.25​

    20​
    Kurdish
    19.67​

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:












































































































































































































































    #
    Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source)
    Distance

    1​

    50.3%​
    Kurdish_Jewish +
    49.7%​
    Lebanese_Druze @
    2.35​

    2​

    69.2%​
    Lebanese_Druze +
    30.8%​
    Georgian_Jewish @
    2.73​

    3​

    60.5%​
    Lebanese_Druze +
    39.5%​
    Assyrian @
    2.87​

    4​

    74.1%​
    Lebanese_Druze +
    25.9%​
    Armenian @
    2.91​

    5​

    51.8%​
    Lebanese_Druze +
    48.2%​
    Iranian_Jewish @
    2.91​

    6​

    85.7%​
    Lebanese_Druze +
    14.3%​
    Georgian @
    2.99​

    7​

    86.3%​
    Lebanese_Druze +
    13.7%​
    Abhkasian @
    3.08​

    8​

    79.4%​
    Lebanese_Druze +
    20.6%​
    Kurdish @
    3.16​

    9​

    76.5%​
    Kurdish_Jewish +
    23.5%​
    Tunisian_Jewish @
    3.29​

    10​

    79.9%​
    Lebanese_Druze +
    20.1%​
    Iranian @
    3.37​

    11​

    56%​
    Iranian_Jewish +
    44%​
    Lebanese_Christian @
    3.42​

    12​

    87.7%​
    Lebanese_Druze +
    12.3%​
    Ossetian @
    3.45​

    13​

    77.8%​
    Kurdish_Jewish +
    22.2%​
    Libyan_Jewish @
    3.47​

    14​

    67.4%​
    Kurdish_Jewish +
    32.6%​
    Palestinian @
    3.53​

    15​

    55.8%​
    Assyrian +
    44.2%​
    Palestinian @
    3.57​

    16​

    75.4%​
    Iranian_Jewish +
    24.6%​
    Tunisian_Jewish @
    3.59​

    17​

    62.8%​
    Iranian_Jewish +
    37.2%​
    Samaritan @
    3.63​

    18​

    74.7%​
    Lebanese_Christian +
    25.3%​
    Kurdish @
    3.63​

    19​

    91.3%​
    Lebanese_Druze +
    8.7%​
    Brahui @
    3.63​

    20​

    90.3%​
    Lebanese_Druze +
    9.7%​
    Makrani @
    3.67

    Nice results. Very close to Mizrahi Jews. You're of Shia background right? From the South?
     
    SAVO

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    Nice results. Very close to Mizrahi Jews. You're of Shia background right? From the South?
    yes

    most probably my ancestors converted at some point ..
    i have many christian relatives . ..
    if u see the list of people that i share DNA with , as for the 23andme ... i have many relatives jews from poland :D
     
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    Ice Tea

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    Your ancestors were most likely Jews who were converted by force then. Also notice the distance that Palestinians are in your Oracle despite you being from South, you're much closer to Israelis overall.
     
    SAVO

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    Your ancestors were most likely Jews who were converted by force then. Also notice the distance that Palestinians are in your Oracle despite you being from South, you're much closer to Israelis overall.

    politically i sympathize with palestinians .. and im radically anti zionist .. ( im not anti jewish though , since i smpatize with jews due to long history of anti semitism in europe .. i have many jewish friends and i know many who are affiliated in the italian comunist party = ..

    do u have more historical info about the forced convertions ? if u can put some links . im curious to approximate the period in which my ancestor had to convert ...
     
    SAVO

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    @Mysobalanus i was trying with various tests on gedmatch. and this is my result

    Ancient Eurasia K6 Oracle results:
    gedrosia K6 Oracle

    Admix Results (sorted):




















    #
    Population
    Percent
    1​
    Natufian
    55.14​
    2​
    Ancestral_North_Eurasian
    24.19​
    3​
    West_European_Hunter_Gartherer
    17.37​
    4​
    Ancestral_South_Eurasian
    2.93​
    5​
    Sub_Saharan
    0.36​


    Single Population Sharing:

































































    #
    Population (source)
    Distance
    1​
    Druze
    3.51​
    2​
    Cypriot
    3.96​
    3​
    Lebanese
    6.86​
    4​
    Jew_Iranian
    7.74​
    5​
    Assyrian
    7.81​
    6​
    Jew_iraqi
    8.09​
    7​
    Armenia_ChL
    8.67​
    8​
    Syrian
    9.04​
    9​
    Palestinian
    9.39​
    10​
    Jew_Tunisian
    9.62​
    11​
    Georgian
    9.82​
    12​
    Jordanian
    9.96​
    13​
    Saudi
    10.04​
    14​
    Jew_Moroccan
    10.04​
    15​
    Turkish
    10.62​
    16​
    Jew_Yemenite
    10.7​
    17​
    Jew_Libyan
    11.11​
    18​
    Levant_BA
    12​
    19​
    Jew_Ashkenazi
    13.12​
    20​
    Italian_South
    13.14​
     
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    MDLP K16 Modern Oracle results:
    MDLP K16 2xOracle and OracleX4

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    #
    Population
    Percent
    1​
    Caucasian
    54.73​
    2​
    Neolithic
    13.93​
    3​
    NearEast
    11.35​
    4​
    Steppe
    6.73​
    5​
    Indian
    5.6​
    6​
    NorthAfrican
    4.75​
    7​
    NorthEastEuropean
    1.74​
    8​
    Oceanic
    0.92​
    9​
    Australian
    0.24​


    Single Population Sharing:

































































    #
    Population (source)
    Distance
    1​
    Jew (Georgia)
    4.22​
    2​
    Armenian (Vardnis)
    4.23​
    3​
    Armenian (Vanatur_Hrazdan)
    4.37​
    4​
    Assyrian (Armenia)
    4.63​
    5​
    Armenian (Lebanon)
    4.72​
    6​
    Druze (Mount_Carmel)
    5.3​
    7​
    Armenian (Yerevan)
    5.32​
    8​
    Assyrian (Armavir)
    5.62​
    9​
    Armenian (Gavar)
    5.92​
    10​
    Assyrian (Turkey)
    5.92​
    11​
    Armenian (Dprabak)
    5.94​
    12​
    Armenian (Yegvard)
    5.95​
    13​
    Lebanese (Lebanon)
    6.05​
    14​
    Armenian (Martuni)
    6.09​
    15​
    Jew (Iraqi)
    6.13​
    16​
    Jew (Iran)
    6.31​
    17​
    Jew (Azerbaijan)
    6.34​
    18​
    Armenian (Erzrum)
    6.44​
    19​
    Assyrian (Iraq)
    6.49​
    20​
    Armenian (Chambarak)
    6.78​
     
    ܐܵܠܘܼܟ̰ܵܐ

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    Hmm interesting. I get Druze and Druze_Mount_Carmel in another.

    Ancient Eurasia K6 4-Ancestors Oracle

    Admix Results (sorted):


















    #
    Population
    Percent
    1​
    Natufian
    53.63​
    2​
    Ancestral_North_Eurasian
    26.52​
    3​
    West_European_Hunter_Gartherer
    14.68​
    4​
    Ancestral_South_Eurasian
    5.17​



    Finished reading population data. 136 populations found.
    6 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Druze @ 5.222883
    2 Jew_Iranian @ 5.232797
    3 Assyrian @ 5.256843
    4 Jew_iraqi @ 6.163783
    5 Georgian @ 7.176265
    6 Lebanese @ 7.696105
    7 Cypriot @ 8.366803
    8 Syrian @ 8.805370
    9 Armenia_ChL @ 9.246531
    10 Palestinian @ 10.229544
    11 Iran_N_WC1 @ 10.239142
    12 Jordanian @ 10.301455
    13 Iranian @ 10.587029
    14 Azeri @ 10.656178
    15 Turkish @ 10.730570
    16 Kurd_C @ 10.835514
    17 Saudi @ 11.246874
    18 Iran_recent @ 11.349676
    19 Adygei @ 11.429813
    20 Jew_Yemenite @ 11.895473



    MDLP K16 Modern 4-Ancestors Oracle
    This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
    Questions about results should be sent to him at: [email protected]
    Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
    Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

    MDLP K16 2xOracle and OracleX4

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    #
    Population
    Percent
    1​
    Caucasian
    56.35​
    2​
    Neolithic
    15.92​
    3​
    NearEast
    11.46​
    4​
    Steppe
    5.91​
    5​
    Indian
    4.56​
    6​
    NorthAfrican
    3.51​
    7​
    Ancestor
    1.59​



    Finished reading population data. 517 populations found.
    16 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Druze_Mount_Carmel @ 5.556221
    2 Armenian_Vanatur_Hrazdan @ 5.975195
    3 Armenian_Lebanon @ 6.177071
    4 Jew_Iraqi @ 6.260164
    5 Armenian_Vardnis @ 6.325698
    6 Jew_Georgia @ 7.054636
    7 Assyrian_Armenia @ 7.087153
    8 Jew_Georgia @ 7.936660
    9 Armenian_Yerevan @ 7.964397
    10 Jew_Iran @ 7.978742
    11 Assyrian_Armavir @ 8.558261
    12 Lebanese_Lebanon @ 8.569369
    13 Cypriot_Cyprus @ 8.890902
    14 Armenian_Dprabak @ 9.045150
    15 Assyrian_Turkey @ 9.068155
    16 Armenian_Gavar @ 9.072354
    17 Armenian_Armenia @ 9.148512
    18 Armenian_Yegvard @ 9.150952
    19 Armenian_Martuni @ 9.204275
    20 Armenian_Armenia @ 9.229562
     
    SAVO

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    @Mysobalanus
    we got somehow very similar pattern.. our ancestor belong to the same line..
    how do u explain the armenian and cipriot presence..

    and what is the pattern of druze with jews ?

    natufian were ancient people in the levant ( lebanon and palestine ) that lived before the phoenicians

    Natufian culture - Wikipedia
     
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    @Mysobalanus
    we got somehow very similar pattern.. our ancestor belong to the same line..
    how do u explain the armenian and cipriot presence..

    and what is the pattern of druze with jews ?

    natufian were ancient people in the levant ( lebanon and palestine ) that lived before the phoenicians

    Natufian culture - Wikipedia
    Armenians, Mountain Jews (old Ashkenazi) and Georgians live around Turkey / Zagaros mountains. Some event of persecution or war, probably Byzantine armies in 7-8th century AD, lead droves of our ancestors to migrate to empty Lebanese Mountains.

    Druze carry a better snapshot of those genes (from 10th century) as confirmed scientifically (The Druze: A Population Genetic Refugium of the Near East) as they don't marry outside their faith and have protected their women from rape (aside from an early instance in Syria with Ibn Barbariyah the Bedouin). The migration can be seen in this graph.

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    There's also a proposed modern controversial theory that old Ashkenazi Jews themselves came from Anatolia, initially, with other neighbors (e.g Druze), and met each other again in Lebanon and Israel (Genetic research claims to trace mysterious origins of Israel’s Druze). (Before European admixture).

    The local Lebanese population seemed to be under a heavy Armenian - Jewish influence. While the Palestininian was more under a Bedouin one. The Syrian Alewites were conquered and genocided by Tartars, Franks, Bedouins, Mongols and many other groups. So they're even harder to pin down. But were most likely heavily influenced by Armenians and Jews as well.
     
    ܐܵܠܘܼܟ̰ܵܐ

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    But nothing is for sure. The Levant is a melting pot.
     
    SAVO

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    Armenians, Mountain Jews (old Ashkenazi) and Georgians live around Turkey / Zagaros mountains. Some event of persecution or war, probably Byzantine armies in 7-8th century AD, lead droves of our ancestors to migrate to empty Lebanese Mountains.

    Druze carry a better snapshot of those genes (from 10th century) as confirmed scientifically (The Druze: A Population Genetic Refugium of the Near East) as they don't marry outside their faith and have protected their women from rape (aside from an early instance in Syria with Ibn Barbariyah the Bedouin). The migration can be seen in this graph.

    View attachment 15229


    There's also a proposed modern controversial theory that old Ashkenazi Jews themselves came from Anatolia, initially, with other neighbors (e.g Druze), and met each other again in Lebanon and Israel (Genetic research claims to trace mysterious origins of Israel’s Druze). (Before European admixture).

    The local Lebanese population seemed to be under a heavy Armenian - Jewish influence. While the Palestininian was more under a Bedouin one. The Syrian Alewites were conquered and genocided by Tartars, Franks, Bedouins, Mongols and many other groups. So they're even harder to pin down. But were most likely heavily influenced by Armenians and Jews as well.

    need to make a historical reseach about that .. history of those population , religions , persecution , migration , conversions ..
    i feel that this is our case since we share common factors .. the difference is by marriage , ur druze so i presume your ancestor kept on the heredity line while in my case is not .. ..i need to know wether the line is from dad part or mom part ..
     
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    Biogeographical mapping of Levant populations
    To test whether Druze and their neighbouring populations share biogeographical affinities, we repeated the GPS analyses for 16 Syrians, 57 Palestinians, 31 Lebanese and 45 Bedouins (Fig. 3). GPS localised Syrians to Syria (
    ,
    ) even after excluding the Syrian from the reference population panel (
    ,
    ) (Fig. 3[B1,B2]). Only 6–12.5% of the Syrians were localised to the Lake Van region (Fig. 3[B1,B2]). The Palestinians were also highly localised to North Israel, West Jordan and Syria (
    ,
    ) (Fig. 3[C1,C2]). While 36% of the Lebanese clustered in Syria, most of the Lebanese (45%) were localised along a trajectory parallel to the Incense Route leading from South Arabia to the Mediterranean (Fig. 3[D1]). Excluding Syrians, their closest population, supported a primarily Arabian root for the Lebanese and secondarily Syrian (Fig. 3[D2]). None of the Lebanese clustered close to Lake Van with only 6% in central Turkey. The Bedouins clustered in Israel, Jordan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia, as would be expected from their pastoral and nomadic history (Fig. 3[E1,E2]).

    Fascinatingly, most Lebanese individuals were predicted along the northwestern Incense Route leading from southern Arabia to the Mediterranean, used by merchants between the 4th century B.C. and the 2nd century A.D. This multi-origin of the Lebanese (Fig. 3[C1]) may be explained either by the 7th century Arabian expansion, which saw a large scale movement of Arabian tribes from the Arabian Peninsula into the Middle East, or by the northern expansion of nomadic Bedouin tribes known as the Nabataeans. By the end of the fourth century the Nabataeans had established an empire which occupied Northern Arabia and the Southern Levant for four hundred years, making migration into Lebanon at this time highly probable35. However, as both Nabatean and late Arab conquerors inhabited the same geographical regions and emerged around similar historical periods, they likely share the same genetic background. Therefore, the exact ancestry of Lebanese cannot be properly deciphered without ancient DNA from the potential ancestral populations, currently unavailable.


     
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    Biogeographical mapping of Levant populations
    To test whether Druze and their neighbouring populations share biogeographical affinities, we repeated the GPS analyses for 16 Syrians, 57 Palestinians, 31 Lebanese and 45 Bedouins (Fig. 3). GPS localised Syrians to Syria (
    ,
    ) even after excluding the Syrian from the reference population panel (
    ,
    ) (Fig. 3[B1,B2]). Only 6–12.5% of the Syrians were localised to the Lake Van region (Fig. 3[B1,B2]). The Palestinians were also highly localised to North Israel, West Jordan and Syria (
    ,
    ) (Fig. 3[C1,C2]). While 36% of the Lebanese clustered in Syria, most of the Lebanese (45%) were localised along a trajectory parallel to the Incense Route leading from South Arabia to the Mediterranean (Fig. 3[D1]). Excluding Syrians, their closest population, supported a primarily Arabian root for the Lebanese and secondarily Syrian (Fig. 3[D2]). None of the Lebanese clustered close to Lake Van with only 6% in central Turkey. The Bedouins clustered in Israel, Jordan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia, as would be expected from their pastoral and nomadic history (Fig. 3[E1,E2]).

    Fascinatingly, most Lebanese individuals were predicted along the northwestern Incense Route leading from southern Arabia to the Mediterranean, used by merchants between the 4th century B.C. and the 2nd century A.D. This multi-origin of the Lebanese (Fig. 3[C1]) may be explained either by the 7th century Arabian expansion, which saw a large scale movement of Arabian tribes from the Arabian Peninsula into the Middle East, or by the northern expansion of nomadic Bedouin tribes known as the Nabataeans. By the end of the fourth century the Nabataeans had established an empire which occupied Northern Arabia and the Southern Levant for four hundred years, making migration into Lebanon at this time highly probable35. However, as both Nabatean and late Arab conquerors inhabited the same geographical regions and emerged around similar historical periods, they likely share the same genetic background. Therefore, the exact ancestry of Lebanese cannot be properly deciphered without ancient DNA from the potential ancestral populations, currently unavailable.



    When it comes to genetic studies, they should break down Lebanese between Christians, Druze and Muslims. You can't lump all together, otherwise there'll be a lot of discrepancies in the results.


    It's already been proved in other studies that Christians for example lack the Arabian input that is mentioned in this study. Druze are really intriguing. Some studies claim they have elevated West Asian input, others that they are identical to Christians. The only consensus is that they, like Christians, also lack Arabian input. What I would like is a study focused on Lebanese Muslims, to find out if there's any significant differences between Sunnis and Shias. Lebanese Christians of different sets, for example, have been proved to be genetically identical.
     
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    Biogeographical mapping of Levant populations
    To test whether Druze and their neighbouring populations share biogeographical affinities, we repeated the GPS analyses for 16 Syrians, 57 Palestinians, 31 Lebanese and 45 Bedouins (Fig. 3). GPS localised Syrians to Syria (
    ,
    ) even after excluding the Syrian from the reference population panel (
    ,
    ) (Fig. 3[B1,B2]). Only 6–12.5% of the Syrians were localised to the Lake Van region (Fig. 3[B1,B2]). The Palestinians were also highly localised to North Israel, West Jordan and Syria (
    ,
    ) (Fig. 3[C1,C2]). While 36% of the Lebanese clustered in Syria, most of the Lebanese (45%) were localised along a trajectory parallel to the Incense Route leading from South Arabia to the Mediterranean (Fig. 3[D1]). Excluding Syrians, their closest population, supported a primarily Arabian root for the Lebanese and secondarily Syrian (Fig. 3[D2]). None of the Lebanese clustered close to Lake Van with only 6% in central Turkey. The Bedouins clustered in Israel, Jordan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia, as would be expected from their pastoral and nomadic history (Fig. 3[E1,E2]).

    Fascinatingly, most Lebanese individuals were predicted along the northwestern Incense Route leading from southern Arabia to the Mediterranean, used by merchants between the 4th century B.C. and the 2nd century A.D. This multi-origin of the Lebanese (Fig. 3[C1]) may be explained either by the 7th century Arabian expansion, which saw a large scale movement of Arabian tribes from the Arabian Peninsula into the Middle East, or by the northern expansion of nomadic Bedouin tribes known as the Nabataeans. By the end of the fourth century the Nabataeans had established an empire which occupied Northern Arabia and the Southern Levant for four hundred years, making migration into Lebanon at this time highly probable35. However, as both Nabatean and late Arab conquerors inhabited the same geographical regions and emerged around similar historical periods, they likely share the same genetic background. Therefore, the exact ancestry of Lebanese cannot be properly deciphered without ancient DNA from the potential ancestral populations, currently unavailable.


    I don't quite understand why the GPS approach gives very different results for Druze. From your same source...

    We next applied GPS to infer the biogeographical affinity of the Druze using all reference populations. GPS positioned nearly all 42 Druze along a trajectory going from the Armenian-Turkish border to Syria (
    ,
    ) (Fig. 3[A1]) with 17% of the individuals localised to the mountainous region surrounding Lake Van. This prediction is in concordance with the location (38°36 ± 3°45′N, 36°25 ± 1°41′E) obtained using a PCA-based application for biogeography, suggesting a diffused Southern Turkish and Northern Syrian affinity for the Druze21. These results are highly surprising for a population depicted by some authors as genetically isolated, in which case they would have been expected to cluster tightly in a single region. To uncover the more primeval biogeographical affinity of these individuals, we removed the Syrian subpopulations to which most Druze adhered, from the reference panel and repeated the analysis so that Druze predictions would be affected by their secondary closest populations. This split Druze into two major subpopulations some 700 km apart from one other; the larger one (79% of the Druze) centred around the mountainous regions of the Turkish Hakkari and Van Provinces as well as northern Iraq (
    ,
    ), close to Mounts Artos and Ararat and the second one in southeast Syria (
    ,
    ) with a median distance of 168.6 kilometres (km) from Mount Hauran
    (
    ,
    ), formerly known as the State of Jabal Druze, where nearly half a million Druze reside today (Fig. 3[A2]).

    Another mystery is Circassian immigrants to the Levant. Many of them seem to have joined the Druze faith or live in proximity to the Druze.
    And the Arslanians seem to have married Circassians too.
     
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    When it comes to genetic studies, they should break down Lebanese between Christians, Druze and Muslims. You can't lump all together, otherwise there'll be a lot of discrepancies in the results.


    It's already been proved in other studies that Christians for example lack the Arabian input that is mentioned in this study. Druze are really intriguing. Some studies claim they have elevated West Asian input, others that they are identical to Christians. The only consensus is that they, like Christians, also lack Arabian input. What I would like is a study focused on Lebanese Muslims, to find out if there's any significant differences between Sunnis and Shias. Lebanese Christians of different sets, for example, have been proved to be genetically identical.
    I think the most convincing timeline is the following...

    1- People X from Anatolia had immigrated in different periods to the Levant.

    2- People X were mostly Armenians who lived in tight-knot communities in Mt Lebanon.

    3- People Y (Bedouins and Meso communities) immigration to Lebanon started to happen in Lebanese cities along the coastal line. And admixture occurred with People X who lived on the coasts (e.g Orthodox Christians). But there was also an influx of Bedouins (mostly Sunnis now) who set up their own communities and tribes and didn't mix.

    4- Proto-Druze were mostly ancestors of People X (Armenians, as uncovered by DNA studies), isolated from Islam because of their remote areas and tribes. Who set themselves apart from the Shiah and Muslims by avoiding the cities.

    5- Druze lost political power in Lebanon, making many Druze families in the Mountain become Christians or Shiah, and carry forth the Druze genes to their clusters, even though they are related by ancestry to People X.

    6- The Shiahs also had more West Asian mix (exhibited in more Asian-like eyes and features in Jabal Aamel). And admixture with Jews (conversion of Jews into Shiah factions).

    So we're left with Druze and Maronites being very close to each other and distinct from other Lebanese. (Round faces, big foreheads, Armenian eyes).

    Orthodox were Coastal and so had more admixture with Bedouins and early Muslims in Lebanon. (Exhibited in their Arabesque facial plate and long faces). But also cluster near the Druze.

    Some Shiah strands are more towards Sunni others are closer to Druze and Christians. But there's clear Iranoid - Alewite influence, deduced from pointier and smaller facial features than avg Lebanese.

    Sunnis, however, are definitely exo-Lebanese, from the outer areas of Lebanon, who are closer to Palestinians and Jordanians than they are to the Lebanese, Jewish and Armenian population.
     
    NewLeb

    NewLeb

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    I’ve yet to have a DNA test, but I hope I don’t have too much Jewish blood in me. They are the ugliest of all races, very unlike the general beauty of Mediterranean peoples.
     
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