The Levant’s DNA mosaic

Xynus87

New Member
how u explain this :

Eurogenes K13 ANCIENT​











































































































Distance to: Das
7.51737321 R68_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
9.10608039 R76_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
9.42519496 MA2210_Anatolia_EBA.SG_4700_ybp
9.43538023 65_Lebanon_Canaanite_MBA.SG_3650_ybp
9.49241276 R42_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
9.61965176 R38_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
10.46897798 R1547_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
10.57707426 R70_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
10.62266445 R1550_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
10.73587444 54_Lebanon_Canaanite_MBA.SG_3770_ybp
10.96244498 R67_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
11.10126119 Canaanite_ERS1790730_
11.29358668 Sidon_BA_ERS1790730_
12.16877562 MA2205_Anatolia_MLBA.SG_3800_ybp
12.54996813 R71_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
13.63956378 MA2213_Anatolia_EBA.SG_4700_ybp
13.77945935 R130_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity
14.22739259 R126_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_Imperial
14.31325959 R1551_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
14.74115667 MA2206_Anatolia_MLBA.SG_3800_ybp
15.00437603 I2683_Anatolia_EBA_4494_ybp
15.36099932 MA2200_Anatolia_MLBA.SG_3800_ybp
15.41945524 Canaanite_ERS1790733_
15.41945524 Sidon_733_Lebanon_
15.54652373 caananite_ERS1790733_caananite_ERS1790733_
It's normal, because your ancestors are mixed.
Let's suppose your great great grandfather was 100% Sub-Saharan African, this ancestor of yours married a women who is 100% Levantine, your great grandfather's results would be 50/50 approximately. Repeat the process until you reach you and your African admixture would be around 6.25%, but your Levantine admixture is 93.5%. So you would be overwhelmingly Levantine.
You seem to have little to no Sub-Saharan input, which means your lineage seems to be old, remember there's a tiny amount of Sub-Saharan admixture in Hellenic-era inhabitants of Lebanon so it could be as old as that.
 

Savo

Active Member
Orange Room Supporter
You seem to have little to no Sub-Saharan input, which means your lineage seems to be old, remember there's a tiny amount of Sub-Saharan admixture in Hellenic-era inhabitants of Lebanon so it could be as old as that.
thats what the site "my true ancestry" gave me as input
 

Rafidi

Legendary Member

This is a sweeping generalization, which can even be challenged to be baseless. It is contradicted by the fact that this group of convert is now said to be from Armenia and not Phoenicians or a Canaanite people. Maronites and even Church sources have always posited that the earliest converts to Maronitism in Mount Lebanon were Phoenicians.

Even so, this does not make every Maronite a descendant of that group of people that came from Armenia or Phoenician converts or Maronite converts from Mars. What happens to the Phoenicians who are touted to have been the earliest group to convert in Mount Lebanon and were living along the coast from the north to south, if the earliest converts are now Armenians? This reflects the fact that each sect within itself have members from diverse ethnic backgrounds.

The fact is every sect has diverse ethnic backgrounds. Some could have come in at a very early stage and converted or intermarried with people they already met. Others could have come at a later stage. This is the reason the same families with the same ancestral roots are found in different sects. Many families with the same ancestry are found among the Sunnis, Shias and Christians and Druze.

This supposed group of early Maronites who came from Armenia may as well have converted to Islam or disappeared or moved. Who knows? The reason I say it is a baseless claim. No one can trace his roots to this group, can anyone?

The point is there are families that exist today among the Maronites. An example was given above of several that came from Syria. We know Fares Soueid and the Gmayyel family members have their roots in Egypt and came in recently some centuries back. And their ancestry can be traced and many of them are known as to when they came into the land. These are facts. Not spurious claims without trace.

You cant cherrypick a historical detail and then use it to paint everyone because they share the same faith. Faith is not inherited. DNA is inherited through ancestors. You dont share the genes of ancient Christians in the 2nd century living in Tyr if you are a Christian who came from Armenia in the 4th or 18th century, just simply because of faith. Similarly, you cant claim to be from the Banu Amel in southern Lebanon who arrived the area in the 4th century if you are a Shia Lebanese who was naturalized and you recently moved from another country. Faith cant be inherited. Genes are inherited; and to claim descent, you have to prove your ancestral claims. And what is known of your family descent must not contradict spurious claims or politicized claims. You cannot claim to be a Phonician when you are a member of the Maaloof family and we know your ancestor came from Hawran in Syria and was from an Arab Christian tribe. And you cant be a Gmayyel and claim to be Phoenician or a descendant of an ancient Christian group when we know for sure your great grandfather came from Egypt. Believing in the same faith cant make you indigenous. Common sense.
 
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Steven Gerrard

Active Member
Orange Room Supporter
Bro, this is about the inhabitants of Mount Lebanon not all of Lebanon. inhabitants of Mount Lebanon who carry the L1b are traced back to the Caucasus region and migrated to Mount Lebanon 7300 years ago. highest frequency of L1b gene is found among maronites (few also found in other sects like shias, sunnis and druze) hence the whole idea about Maronites being non native is false. Sure there have been admixing but the frequency is very low, please read the study. Historians are usually bullshitters who have no clue about genetics. Genetics and study of DNA is what history is about and you can use that type of science to trace all migrations of all haplogroups found in Lebanon.

"Large scale population movements have occurred in and out of Lebanon since the rule of Babylonians and Assyrians, and have continued through the Roman, Persian, Crusader, Islamic Expansion and Ottoman occupations. Some of these foreign conquests that involved large armies, and long term occupations, must have certainly led to noticeable gene flow. While some of the more recent genetic admixtures events, like those resulting from the Crusades and Islamic Expansion, are likely to be more readily detectable and have indeed contributed genetically, their impact alone is not significant enough to explain the observed genetic diversity and its pattern observed in modern populations that occupies Lebanon today, especially the populations of Mount Lebanon."

Mine for example, J1-Z1884 is traced back to Southern Turkey and my ancestors migrated to the Levant around 3700 years ago. My ancestor's branch then branched out and went down to Jordan then to Yemen (if I am not mistaken @Xynus87 ). There is no cherry picking.

The fact is historians like Kamal Salibi and others write tons of BS without looking into the DNA evidence to back up their claim. So far Salibi has been debunked so many times, there is also no references of migration of Maronites from Syria to Lebanon nor there is Yemeni migration to the Levant.

Edit: J1 and J2 haplogroups are dominated mostly in inland and coastal areas of Lebanon
 
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Savo

Active Member
Orange Room Supporter
mytrue ancestry analysis breakdown ;

Your closest genetic modern populations...​

Genetic distance measures how close you are to a given modern population. Many modern populations are surprisingly close to another, which is often due to true common ancestry.
  • 5 means you are close to this population
  • 10 means you could fit into this population
  • 15 means a related population
1. Lebanese_Muslim (6.532)
2. Sephardic_Jewish (7.286)
3. Iranian_Jewish (7.474)
4. Kurdish_Jewish (7.567)
5. Assyrian (9.377)
6. Syrian (9.653)
7. Lebanese_Christian (9.872)
8. Lebanese_Druze (10.94)

PCA Visualization​

PCA (Principal Component Analysis) is a statistical procedure that lets you visualize relationships in sets of data.
It is ideally suited for visualizing genetic distance and relatedness among samples and populations.

Your DNA is the red star.
Modern populations are shown as blue and gray circles.
This plot helps you understand how you fit with modern populations.

If you are primarily from a single background you should appear near your closest populations.
If you are a mix of 2+ populations you tend to appear directly between the dots.

Note: some populations may be missing and more will be added over time.


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Savo

Active Member
Orange Room Supporter
im almost sure due to all analysis that i share a lot of jewish ancestry :) .. and some christian one .
that mean that my old had to convert to islam at later time .
 

Xynus87

New Member
I suggest not taking MyTrueAncestry too seriously, it's not a serious breakdown of ones' ancestry but rather looking at shared segments with other populations, which could also be due to shared ancestry before. The "Romans" category for example is for Imperial population of Rome, and the individuals were mostly of Eastern ancestry, so it makes sense you'd share segments with them.

If you want to know your actual ancient ancestral breakdown, PM me, I could help.
 

Steven Gerrard

Active Member
Orange Room Supporter
I used this calculator on Gedmatch and gave me info on approximate 4 population calculation. I don't understand what it means, can anyone help? @Xynus87 @SAVO @Myso ?

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle​

This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: [email protected]
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

Admix Results (sorted):



































#
Population
Percent
1​
East_Med
40.18​
2​
West_Asian
17.14​
3​
Red_Sea
11.62​
4​
West_Med
10.03​
5​
Northeast_African
4.64​
6​
North_Sea
4.36​
7​
Baltic
3.82​
8​
Atlantic
2.86​
9​
South_Asian
2.83​
10​
Sub-Saharan
1.45​



Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Syrian @ 5.560744
2 Jordanian @ 6.174277
3 Lebanese_Muslim @ 7.041329
4 Palestinian @ 8.179594
5 Samaritan @ 8.529536
6 Lebanese_Christian @ 10.066055
7 Cyprian @ 10.150884
8 Libyan_Jewish @ 11.367062
9 Bedouin @ 11.712199
10 Lebanese_Druze @ 11.889365
11 Tunisian_Jewish @ 12.280211
12 Iranian_Jewish @ 13.592280
13 Kurdish_Jewish @ 13.605761
14 Sephardic_Jewish @ 15.479553
15 Assyrian @ 15.608199
16 Egyptian @ 16.285397
17 Italian_Jewish @ 16.344326
18 Algerian_Jewish @ 16.444550
19 Ashkenazi @ 19.416662
20 South_Italian @ 19.682932

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Iranian_Jewish +50% Libyan_Jewish @ 4.371753


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Jordanian +25% Kurdish_Jewish +25% Libyan_Jewish @ 3.800047


Using 4 populations approximation:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Iranian_Jewish + Jordanian + Jordanian + Libyan_Jewish @ 3.403945
2 Iranian_Jewish + Jordanian + Libyan_Jewish + Syrian @ 3.413996
3 Assyrian + Jordanian + Jordanian + Libyan_Jewish @ 3.421103
4 Assyrian + Jordanian + Libyan_Jewish + Palestinian @ 3.523939
5 Ashkenazi + Egyptian + Iranian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze @ 3.621463
6 Ashkenazi + Egyptian + Iranian_Jewish + Lebanese_Christian @ 3.653969
7 Jordanian + Lebanese_Muslim + Libyan_Jewish + Syrian @ 3.664693
8 Egyptian + Iranian_Jewish + Lebanese_Muslim + Libyan_Jewish @ 3.664773
9 Iranian_Jewish + Libyan_Jewish + Palestinian + Syrian @ 3.672111
10 Assyrian + Egyptian + Iranian_Jewish + Libyan_Jewish @ 3.706002
11 Egyptian + Iranian_Jewish + Iranian_Jewish + Libyan_Jewish @ 3.712046
12 Ashkenazi + Egyptian + Kurdish_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze @ 3.713223
13 Lebanese_Druze + Libyan_Jewish + Syrian + Syrian @ 3.722635
14 Bedouin + Iranian_Jewish + Lebanese_Muslim + Libyan_Jewish @ 3.733692
15 Jordanian + Kurdish_Jewish + Libyan_Jewish + Syrian @ 3.761868
16 Iranian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Jordanian + Jordanian @ 3.765647
17 East_Sicilian + Egyptian + Iranian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze @ 3.769195
18 Assyrian + Bedouin + Jordanian + Libyan_Jewish @ 3.788420
19 Iranian_Jewish + Jordanian + Libyan_Jewish + Palestinian @ 3.791517
20 Iranian_Jewish + Jordanian + Lebanese_Muslim + Libyan_Jewish @ 3.793478

Done.

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MDLP K16 Modern 4-Ancestors Oracle​

This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: [email protected]
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

MDLP K16 2xOracle and OracleX4

Admix Results (sorted):





























#
Population
Percent
1​
Caucasian
44.66​
2​
Neolithic
16.99​
3​
NearEast
14.50​
4​
Steppe
8.79​
5​
Indian
4.50​
6​
EastAfrican
3.82​
7​
NorthAfrican
2.95​
8​
Ancestor
1.79​



Finished reading population data. 517 populations found.
16 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Lebanese_Muslim_Lebanon @ 3.866773
2 Arab_Israel_Iqrit @ 4.531143
3 Lebanese_Christian_Lebanon @ 4.965101
4 Jew_Syria @ 5.287723
5 Samaritan_Israel @ 6.202663
6 Jordanian_Jordanian @ 6.784896
7 Syrian_Syria @ 6.803704
8 Arab_Israel_Shefa_Amr @ 7.987537
9 Assyrian_Iran @ 8.052436
10 Lebanese_Lebanon @ 8.712823
11 Palestinian_Israel @ 9.082144
12 Cypriot_Cyprus @ 9.705318
13 Jew_Georgia @ 9.721762
14 Jew_Azerbaijan @ 9.737706
15 Jew_Kurdish @ 9.839307
16 Iraki_Irak @ 10.043662
17 Assyrian_Armavir @ 10.192978
18 Jew_Turkish_Sephardim @ 10.500889
19 Assyrian_Iraq @ 10.600556
20 Turk_Adana @ 10.603695

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Arab_Israel_Iqrit +50% Lebanese_Muslim_Lebanon @ 3.665049


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Arab_Israel_Iqrit +25% Iraki_Irak +25% Jew_Turkish_Sephardim @ 3.368695


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Arab_Israel_Iqrit + Georgian_Abkhazia_Abkhazia + Italian_SouthItaly + Jew_Yemen @ 3.276470
2 Arab_Israel_Iqrit + Georgian_Abkhazia_Abkhazia + Greek_Athens + Saudi_Saudi_Arabia @ 3.276860
3 Arab_Israel_Iqrit + Georgian_Abkhazia_Abkhazia + Sicilian_Sicily + Jew_Yemen @ 3.279443
4 Arab_Israel_Iqrit + Georgian_Kakheti + Sicilian_Sicily + Jew_Yemen @ 3.288791
5 Armenian_Lebanon + Assyrian_Iran + BedouinA_Negev + Jew_Italian @ 3.339317
6 Arab_Israel_Iqrit + Georgian_Kakheti + Italian_SouthItaly + Jew_Yemen @ 3.345319
7 Arab_Israel_Iqrit + Georgian_Abkhazia_Abkhazia + Italian_Abruzzo + Jew_Yemen @ 3.361493
8 Arab_Israel_Iqrit + Jew_Bulgaria + Iraki_Irak + Samaritan_Israel @ 3.364413
9 Arab_Israel_Iqrit + Arab_Israel_Iqrit + Iraki_Irak + Jew_Turkish_Sephardim @ 3.368695
10 Arab_Israel_Iqrit + Iraki_Irak + Samaritan_Israel + Jew_Turkish_Sephardim @ 3.387391
11 Arab_Israel_Iqrit + BedouinA_Negev + Georgian_Kakheti + Jew_Italian @ 3.395067
12 Arab_Israel_Iqrit + Assyrian_Iran + Jew_Italian + Syrian_Syria @ 3.398491
13 Assyrian_Iran + Iraki_Irak + Jew_Italian + Samaritan_Israel @ 3.411318
14 Jew_Bulgaria + Cypriot_Cyprus + Georgian_Abkhazia_Abkhazia + Saudi_Saudi_Arabia @ 3.411499
15 Arab_Israel_Iqrit + Arab_Israel_Iqrit + Jew_Bulgaria + Iraki_Irak @ 3.413085
16 Iraki_Irak + Lebanese_Muslim_Lebanon + Samaritan_Israel + Jew_Turkish_Sephardim @ 3.416671
17 Armenian_Lebanon + Assyrian_Iran + BedouinA_Negev + Jew_Bulgaria @ 3.417244
18 Assyrian_Iran + Iraki_Irak + Samaritan_Israel + Jew_Turkish_Sephardim @ 3.424868
19 Arab_Israel_Iqrit + Assyrian_Iran + Jew_Bulgaria + Syrian_Syria @ 3.426324
20 Cypriot_Cyprus + Georgian_Abkhazia_Abkhazia + Jew_Italian + Saudi_Saudi_Arabia @ 3.431533
 
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