AtheistForJesus
Well-Known Member
No, you can't.
But Jews, on the other hand, are thought of as a single homogenous group due to lack of intermarriage.
But Jews, on the other hand, are thought of as a single homogenous group due to lack of intermarriage.
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Ice Tea
Active Member
They are not homogenous, but most of them share Israelite/Canaanite ancestry on their paternal side.
Xynus87
New Member
Wouldn't use Israelite in this one because the Jews show many haplogroups that were probably not present among Israelites notably R-Z2103, R-Z93 and I-M170. Widely Canaanite may be more correct since they weren't as reserved as the Israelites were and that explains E-Z830 among modern-day Jews. Original Israelites were likely mainly J1 and J2 people.
AtheistForJesus
Well-Known Member
Why are Lebanese people so obsessed with DNA tests and with proving they're anything else but Arab?
I've never seen more people with such a glaring inferiority complex.
I've never seen more people with such a glaring inferiority complex.
Ice Tea
Active Member
Dude, modern Lebanese Christians have been proved to be almost identical to Canaanites from 3700 years ago, let alone Roman-era people from 1500 years ago. That's pretty much amazing considering how many times the region was conquered. Even Lebanese Muslims' admixture is only from the Ottoman empire.
Here's a Canaanite/Phoenician from Sidon from 1700 BC
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 47.46
2 West_Asian 19.02
3 West_Med 16.28
4 Red_Sea 15.31
5 North_Atlantic 1.94
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Lebanese_Christian 3.51
2 Samaritan 3.51
3 Lebanese_Druze 8.58
4 Palestinian 8.72
5 Lebanese_Muslim 9.87
6 Cyprian 10.24
7 Syrian 10.39
8 Jordanian 11.02
9 Kurdish_Jewish 13.47
10 Bedouin 13.98
11 Tunisian_Jewish 14.15
12 Iranian_Jewish 14.43
13 Libyan_Jewish 14.81
14 Assyrian 16.28
15 Sephardic_Jewish 17.35
16 Algerian_Jewish 18.12
17 Italian_Jewish 18.42
18 Egyptian 19.43
19 Georgian_Jewish 19.73
20 Yemenite_Jewish 20.62
Xynus87
New Member
That's not a very good reason, the thing I like about genetics is the ability to know when, how and why your ancestors came to Lebanon. You can use Y-DNA haplogroups for a good insight on that too ^ All Lebanese sects (except Druze) have J2 (J-M172) as the most frequent haplogroup for example. @Ice Tea
Iron Maiden
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Sorry ma chefta lal reply abel, homogenous group eltelle?
Ice Tea
Active Member
Another Lebanese result, but this one scored only a bit over 20% Jewish.
15.6% Mizrahi
6.9% Askhenazi
15.6% Mizrahi
6.9% Askhenazi
Iron Maiden
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Cant view the vid, addeh fiyo mwarneh?
fidelio
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Just the right amount to make it matter. Antom Mel7 el Ard, shou nseet?
Iron Maiden
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بس إنّو ولا بدّ كان بدي إتأكّد
AtheistForJesus
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@Ice Tea I wanna do a test. Which one do you suggest?
And can I send my sample through LibanPost?
Baddeh shouf shu be2rabo lal Khomeini.
And can I send my sample through LibanPost?
Baddeh shouf shu be2rabo lal Khomeini.
fidelio
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sallib bel 5 w ettekel
Ice Tea
Active Member
I think only Family Tree DNA ships to Lebanon, their autosomal test is only $79.
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Abotareq93
Legendary Member
That would be great; you will be a sayyed and get part of the khoms
fidelio
Legendary Member
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You have to ask him which one of the khoms fingers he wants. lol
sorry @manifesto couldn't help it
True Palestinian
New Member
Yup, and the earth is a triangle ?
You should go tell that to your fellow countrymen who've joined the SSNP, I'm sure they'll agree with you!
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True Palestinian
New Member
Ice Tea, you were too nice, you shouldn't have confused them with facts. I'll show you how it's done.
A picture is worth 1000 words, so I just made a nice PCA for you:
bas remember kids... Jews are jUsT a ReLiGiOn ?
A picture is worth 1000 words, so I just made a nice PCA for you:
bas remember kids... Jews are jUsT a ReLiGiOn ?
True Palestinian
New Member
You're largely wrong on this. R1b-Z2103 (L943 in particular, which is also found in Lebanon BTW) and R1a-Z93 (most of which is CTS6) were most certainly present in Canaan by the Late Bronze Age, in fact one of the LBA samples from Tel Shadud was R1b-M269. I-M170 is trickier, while most of it is definitely European, I2c could have been present throughout the Middle East for quite some time before the Bronze Age, not exactly a major Jewish branch though.
Also I don't get the point you're trying to make about E-Z830, this was found in several of the Natufians as well as the Chalcolithic samples from Peqi'in, there's no way E-Z830 and E-M34 were absent from the Levant let alone the Israelites.
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XMyso
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Reminds of this very pan-Arabist Druze I know from Rashaya. That came out 20% Ashkenazi and told me something must have went wrong. But he has blonde hair and blue eyes. What did he expect?