The True Horror of Islam

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As a person that strongly believes in free speech and freedom of having whichever belief a person might have, I respect the right of every individual or group to involve themselves in what they believe to be true and give them moral comfort. However, that respect and freedom given to such group should be reciprocal, as in this said group should have mutual respect and tolerate the freedom of others as well.



I don’t want to discuss Abrahamic religions in their original forms as they were ‘revealed’ thousands of years ago, as that doesn’t concern me and is not related to this topic.

What I would like to point out in this discussion is the religious forms as they are applied in our current times.



Fortunately, one of the mainstream religions (Christianity) and almost all Christian communities are more or less tolerant and they’re not violently setting people on fire or murdering anyone in the name of their religion. Individual wackos and small violent groups that may exist does not apply to the overwhelming majority of Christians who successfully interpreted their religion in a peaceful manner.

Point is, the mainstream interpretation of their religion is peaceful.

Although their religious views on certain topics might be offensive, for example on homosexuality, it is within their right to believe that homosexual behavior is wrong as long as it is only an opinion.



The unfortunate part comes within the second mainstream Abrahamic religion, Islam.

The horrendous side of Islam that should alarm everyone, even who they call themselves moderate muslims, is that Islam is not a passive religion. It is as active as it can get.

In other words, even in its most moderate mainstream interpretations it is not a religion for self. It is a religion that actively seeks imposing its ideas on others, even by means of physical and/or psychological abuse or threats, and even financial abuse when they’re in power (by means of Jizya).

Below some quotations of some verses (Surat AlTawbah) that indicates what was previously mentioned:

فَإِذَا انسَلَخَ الأَشْهُرُ الْحُرُمُ فَاقْتُلُواْ الْمُشْرِكِينَ حَيْثُ وَجَدتُّمُوهُمْ وَخُذُوهُمْ وَاحْصُرُوهُمْ وَاقْعُدُواْ لَهُمْ كُلَّ مَرْصَدٍ فَإِن تَابُواْ وَأَقَامُواْ الصَّلاةَ وَآتَوُاْ الزَّكَاةَ فَخَلُّواْ سَبِيلَهُمْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ إِنَّمَا الْمُشْرِكُونَ نَجَسٌ فَلاَ يَقْرَبُواْ الْمَسْجِدَ الْحَرَامَ بَعْدَ عَامِهِمْ هَذَا وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ عَيْلَةً فَسَوْفَ يُغْنِيكُمُ اللَّهُ مِن فَضْلِهِ إِن شَاء إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ

قَاتِلُواْ الَّذِينَ لاَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَلاَ بِالْيَوْمِ الآخِرِ وَلاَ يُحَرِّمُونَ مَا حَرَّمَ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَلاَ يَدِينُونَ دِينَ الْحَقِّ مِنَ الَّذِينَ أُوتُواْ الْكِتَابَ حَتَّى يُعْطُواْ الْجِزْيَةَ عَن يَدٍ وَهُمْ صَاغِرُونَ

These are just a tiny example out of hundreds of verses with similar context regarding apostates, infidels, homosexuals… hence the previous warning to even what they call themselves moderate muslims, they’re after you as well once they have the power to execute their religion.



Few days ago I’ve had a discussion with a muslim lady (Hijabi) who portrayed herself as moderate and that she isn’t into what extremist clergymen say, typical statement until you corner them into tricky questions (Yes, I’ve had more or less the same conversation with plenty of those ‘moderate’ muslims).

Once the discussion reached the topics of 7oudoud (7ad Al Riddah for example) and homosexuals, she claimed that these punishments would only occur if an Islamic state is in control. However, she didn’t mind that apostates get killed and homosexuals get thrown off rooftops, even if such person is a relative. So much for being a ‘moderate’.

Unfortunately, that is the mainstream Islamic interpretation on these topics. They have no tolerance of others choices and lives, and that is to many the true horror of islam and the fear of these people attainment of power, which they actively seek to obtain even in lands where they’re still a minority.



Therefore, until these Islamic communities reform their religion into a truly peaceful set of ideas, it is our human responsibility to make sure these people never reach power.

It is our human responsibility to combat them and their ideas, it is a battle forced upon us in this part of the world specifically.

The least anyone can do, which I actively do, is engage with your muslim entourage and friends with these discussions. A lot of them don’t even know their religion that well, and from their position of ignorance they’re unconsciously helping those real muslims who will doom us if they reach power.

The more muslims realize the horrors of their religion, the easier it will be for them to dump it or reform it.



Now, before it is too late.
is this supposed to be a self criticism ?
Or you are simply a Sunni mourtad ??? ;)
 
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  • NAFAR

    NAFAR

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    Religion can be taught in two words : IMAAN And. AKHLAAQ. I am a Sunni who has learned religion for decades, who understands it very much and who is very widely read in history, literature and all schools of thought. Islam itself does not call for killing or war. In the purely faith parts, it calls for Imane and Akhlaaq. It is only in its post Hijra parts, as it started calling for statehood, that it turned to fight and killing as a basis to champion the cause of Mohammad the leader of his growing rule. That has nothing to do with God.
    I do agree that some Islamic values are all about ethics and calling for love, affection, etc... such as honoring your parents, never abuse an orphan, never oppress the weak, affection between the married couple...etc, however the other part which is calling for wars, killing, and all kind of atrocities is in the Koran itself which is in Muslim eyes the eternal word of God.
    The dilemma is that Koran can't be debated or questioned being the word of God, so even a Muslim thinks it is wrong to wage war against Infidels and enslave their women and to kill a cheating husband or a homosexual, he can't reject this belief system as he would be considered infidel himself which may cost him his life.
     
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    Winston Churchill 1899:

    How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

    A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

    Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.
     
    HannaTheCrusader

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    Is it safe to share this on my social media outlets, or can I go to jail for it?
    its not safe
    as if you live in a muslim country they will prosecute or worst kill you
    in if you live in europe or one of those sickly PC natios, they will accuse you of islamophobia and be persecuted or your social media banned or blocked by FB or twitter
     
    HannaTheCrusader

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    Religion can be taught in two words : IMAAN And. AKHLAAQ. I am a Sunni who has learned religion for decades, who understands it very much and who is very widely read in history, literature and all schools of thought. Islam itself does not call for killing or war. In the purely faith parts, it calls for Imane and Akhlaaq. It is only in its post Hijra parts, as it started calling for statehood, that it turned to fight and killing as a basis to champion the cause of Mohammad the leader of his growing rule. That has nothing to do with God.
    for your thoughts

    المسلم حينما يناقش آيات القرآن فانه يستخدم الآيات التي ذكرها محمد عندما كان في مكة (قبل الهجرة) وحينها كان مستضعفاً لا يملك القوة ولا المال! ومن هذه الآيات (فَمَن شَاءَ فَلْيُؤْمِن وَمَن شَاءَ فَلْيَكْفُرْ) وكذلك الآية (لَكُمْ دِينُكُمْ وَلِيَ دِينِ) ويتفق جميع رجال الدين بان هذه الآيات تم نسخها بآيات أخرى تحث على قتل الاخر والاستيلاء على أمواله وسبي نساءه واستعباد اطفاله واحتلال ارضه!

    بعد ان هاجر محمد الى يثرب بدأ يتبنى القتل منهجاً له وقام بنسخ آيات مكة باخرى تحث على غزو الاخر وقتله (فَقَاتِلُوا أَئِمَّةَ الْكُفْرِ ۙ إِنَّهُمْ لَا أَيْمَانَ لَهُمْ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَنتَهُونَ) او (يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا قَاتِلُوا الَّذِينَ يَلُونَكُم مِّنَ الْكُفَّارِ وَلْيَجِدُوا فِيكُمْ غِلْظَةً)!

    السؤال هنا من هم الكفار أو أئمة الكفر التي تأمر الآية قتالهم؟ هم كل الناس الذين لا يعتنقون الدين الاسلامي!!

    ولم يسلم من القتل أصحاب الديانات الأخرى التي يعترف بها المسلمون (قَاتِلُوا الَّذِينَ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَلَا بِالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ وَلَا يُحَرِّمُونَ مَا حَرَّمَ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَلَا يَدِينُونَ دِينَ الْحَقِّ مِنَ الَّذِينَ أُوتُوا الْكِتَابَ حَتَّىٰ يُعْطُوا الْجِزْيَةَ عَن يَدٍ وَهُمْ صَاغِرُونَ)!

    من هم أهل الكتاب؟ انهم اتباع الديانة المسيحية واليهودية! هؤلاء أيضاً يجب قتلهم حسب القرآن الذي ينادي اتباعه بالسلام والرحمة والحرية!

    ثم ينتقل القرآن الى قتل من يعبد أكثر من اله واحد (المشركين) ويأمر المسلمين بقتلهم (فَإِذَا انسَلَخَ الْأَشْهُرُ الْحُرُمُ فَاقْتُلُوا الْمُشْرِكِينَ حَيْثُ وَجَدتُّمُوهُمْ وَخُذُوهُمْ وَاحْصُرُوهُمْ وَاقْعُدُوا لَهُمْ كُلَّ مَرْصَدٍ..)!

    وقد أمر الهك نبيه ان يقاتل الناس حتى يعتنقوا الاسلام! فقد قال نبيك (‏‏أمرت أن أقاتل الناس حتى يشهدوا أن لا إله إلا الله وأن محمدًا رسول الله) وأمر محمدك المسلمين بقتل كل من ترك الاسلام (من بدل دينه فاقتلوه) وقام خليفته ابو بكر والمسلمون بتنفيذ أمر محمد وتم قتل الآلاف من الناس بحجة الردة! وما زال الى اليوم حُكم قتل المرتد ساري المفعول في أكثر الدول الاسلامية!

    هذا هو قرآنك أيها المسلم.. وهذا هو نبيك! ان دفن رأسك تحت الرمال لا يغير الحقيق
     
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    Until comes the time to accept that the KOR'AN , as written and read by mortals in the form of a book, is the compilation of phrases and words as recalled by those who wrote it in order to fight those who fought the state after the passing away of Mohammad, it will remain a convenient tool to assert the rule of the semi learned over the totally ignorant. Thus the imperative rule of taking the religion by the word and not by the better spirit and thought. Islamis a peaceful savior from total ignorance as practiced by the people of Qoreish. It is not a satanic preach. If it were the latter, it would not be accepted or promoted by Khadijah, Bin Naufal or Mohammad.
    Yes peaceful Butchering of People as Muhamad did ....
     
    NAFAR

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    Until comes the time to accept that the KOR'AN , as written and read by mortals in the form of a book, is the compilation of phrases and words as recalled by those who wrote it in order to fight those who fought the state after the passing away of Mohammad, it will remain a convenient tool to assert the rule of the semi learned over the totally ignorant. .
    This is the core of the problem, until now even the most enlighten Muslim scholar is not even daring to just suggest that Koran is written and invented by humans.... and that some verses calling for violence must be dropped off.......... he would be slaughtered.
     
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    Ralph N

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    Thank you R as pronounced in araraamaic. AEYRE ??? go talk to your la77aam let him make you a looong and faaat WUUURST???

    هل المسيح سبى؟ قتل؟ سرق؟ غنم؟ دعى للحرب؟

    محمد فعل اكثر من القتل والسبي والحرب




     
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    Ralph N

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    One was Son of God ??? the other was a nomadic merchant leader made orphan???
    I dont mind if you think Jesus is not the Son Of God, in fact if you believe in his words and his message and you dont believe he is God your more Good then I can think... It is essential that people believe in peace and love... War and Murder is the Devils work.... Let no man do that..

    The prophet was a murderer and the servant of the Devil... Jesus was a beacon of love and light... You chose what you want to be.. an Angel in heaven? or a devil in Hell...
     
    HannaTheCrusader

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    this is someone to listen to
    the man is wonderful

    [B]Brother Rachid الأخ رشيد[/B]‏ @[B]BrotherRasheed[/B] Sep 18
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    التخلف هو حين تكون في القرن ال21 وتريد تطبيق أعراف وقوانين قبيلة عاشت في القرن ال7 وتلك القبيلة كانت متخلفة مقارنة بالحضارات التي كانت حولها. ثم تعتقد أنك ستحكم العالم في يوم من الأيام بتلك التقاليد وتلك القوانين والأعراف البالية. وفوق كل هذا تعتقد أن تلك الأعراف مقدسة فوق النقد.

    [B]Brother Rachid الأخ رشيد[/B]‏ @[B]BrotherRasheed[/B] Sep 17
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    أزمة المسلمين مع النقد هي كونهم تعودوا أن ينتقدوا أديان الناس فقط خاصة اليهود والنصارى، ولم يتعودوا أن يتجرأ أحد وينتقد دينهم ونبيهم وكتابهم، صاروا يعتقدون أن الإسلام فوق النقد وحين بدأ النقد اليوم أصيبوا بالصدمة وهذا سبب ردود أفعالهم.

    1. الإخوان المسلمون من عنوانهم تعرفونهم: شعارهم سيفان ثم آية "وأعدوا"، بقية الآية تقول "وأعدوا لهم ما استطعتم من قوة ورباط الخيل ترهبون به عدو الله وعدوكم" فغايتهم هي الإرهاب. وشعار آخر يقول "الله غايتنا والرسول قدوتنا والقرآن دستورنا والجهاد سبيلنا والموت في سبيل الله أسمى أمانينا"
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    2. [IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/903466416204021760/8zD5iR9f_bigger.jpg[/IMG][B]Brother Rachid الأخ رشيد[/B]‏ @[B]BrotherRasheed[/B] Sep 14
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      السلفي يريد تقليد الرسول في لحيته وفِي قَص الشارب وفِي طريقة الأكل والشرب وعلى أي جنب ينام، لماذا لا يقلدونه حتى في المسح بثلاثة أحجار كما كان يفعل؟ ويستغنون عن المراحيض الغربية الكافرة وعن كراسيها وعن ورق المراحيض فهي بدعة من بدع الكفار الذين لا ينبغي التشبه بهم والعياذ بالله!
     
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    1. Brother Rachid الأخ رشيد
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      لو كان الإسلام محفّزا على الحضارة لصنع حضارة في مهده في مكة ويثرب، لكن المسلمين يتغنون بالحضارة في بغداد ودمشق ومصر والأندلس وكل هذه الأماكن كانت فيها حضارة سابقة للإسلام، فاستولى على حضارات الآخرين ونسبها لنفسه، لماذا لم يصنع الإسلام حضارة في مسقط رأسه بدل بلدان الآخرين؟
    2. يدعي بعض المسلمين أن الإسلام علم العالم النظافة، لا يعلمون أن الصابون كان عند البابليين قبل محمد ب 3500 سنة، وكان المصريون يستحمون بالماء والصابون قبل محمد ب 2000 سنة، وحمامات الإغريق والرومان كانت مشهورة وكثيرة جدا وعادة يومية عند الروم، حتى الوضوء الإسلامي مأخوذ من الصابئة
     
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    [B]Brother Rachid الأخ رشيد[/B]‏ @[B]BrotherRasheed[/B] Sep 11
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    When 9/11 happened I was still living in Morocco, that evening I went to a coffee-shop, the news was on & everybody in the coffee-shop was happy; because America was humiliated! Terrorism is not only what happened that day, it's the ideology that made those people hate the West.
     
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    [B]Brother Rachid الأخ رشيد[/B]‏ @[B]BrotherRasheed[/B] Sep 5
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    حبسونا في قفص، ممنوع أن تسأل الأسئلة النقدية، ممنوع أن تقرأ الكتب التشكيكية الكفرية ممنوع أن تنصت للكفار الملاحدة والنصارى واليهود لأنهم أعداء الدين، ممنوع أن تقرأ كتب النصارى واليهود لأنها محرفة... حبسونا وحين خرجنا من الحبس شتمونا وعيرونا وهددونا لأننا اكتشفنا فظاعة الحبس!
     
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    Religion can be taught in two words : IMAAN And. AKHLAAQ. I am a Sunni who has learned religion for decades, who understands it very much and who is very widely read in history, literature and all schools of thought. Islam itself does not call for killing or war. In the purely faith parts, it calls for Imane and Akhlaaq. It is only in its post Hijra parts, as it started calling for statehood, that it turned to fight and killing as a basis to champion the cause of Mohammad the leader of his growing rule. That has nothing to do with God.
    Islam is built on war and hate. Islam is built on rage and violence. It is not a religion. It is more like a cult. Alof of people are converting to christianity more than the numbers of the converts to islam. Some say that they will outnumber christianity in 2100 which I doubt. The fertility rate has dropped especially in majority muslim countries and it will continue to drop.
     
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    Despite everything bad thats happenning in lebanon, i think we should still take a minute and apreciate that we arent pakistan, afghanistan or any other sharia ruled land

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    So cheers to all u blaspheming bast0rds!
     
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