The Way to Building a Secular Lebanon and Secular Constitution and System

flag-waver

Legendary Member
Yes, I don't get why Hizbullah is so demonized by some Christians. Their target has always been Israel and Wahhabism, not Christian presence in Lebanon.
I guess M14 Christians still hold a grudge because Hizbullah decimated Lahd's army and LFers used to be very close to LAF.
As for the majority of Sunnis, they are just filled with sectarian hate.

Notice, the ones who go on TV and spread propaganda about Hizbullah are actully bankrolled by Saudi Arabia. (Future, LF, Kataeb). Not surprising. They only repeat what Saudi Arabian leaders say.

Hey sectarian biggot. Go ask who was with Lahd army. 80% of them keno shia. wake up and smell the roses.
 

flag-waver

Legendary Member
Those who want a trully secular state no problem but the christians badoun damanet. There will no throwing out our necks for our so called partners just la2ano henne badoun heike. You give us damanet and ba3dena we talk about a secular state. We will not live like the copts in egypt or the christians in syria.
 

Dynamite Joe

Well-Known Member
Yes, I don't get why Hizbullah is so demonized by some Christians. Their target has always been Israel and Wahhabism, not Christian presence in Lebanon.
I guess M14 Christians still hold a grudge because Hizbullah decimated Lahd's army and LFers used to be very close to LAF.
As for the majority of Sunnis, they are just filled with sectarian hate.

Notice, the ones who go on TV and spread propaganda about Hizbullah are actully bankrolled by Saudi Arabia. (Future, LF, Kataeb). Not surprising. They only repeat what Saudi Arabian leaders say.

Ironic that Geagea is spokesman of the House of Saud in Lebanon. Some of the younger folks here don't know that LF under Geagea joined the Syrian army when they invaded areas under Aoun's control. Of course, in the LF areas they met no resistance, but had the red carpet laid out for them.

I know one thing, if LF under the leadership of the clown Geagea possessed the same power and support HA has now, muslims would be slaughtered left and right.
 

Dynamite Joe

Well-Known Member
I think differently,
Give us federalism and we will get external support.

The solid ties that our fellow countrymen built with Iran caused us to lose support.

Why do you think the US keeps supporting and funding our army ? -think about it.

Why Lebanon isn’t facing sanctions like Iran even though Hizballa runs the country and we border Israel and we threaten its security?
-also think about it

The U.S. funds the army to have a counter balance against HA. They don't give a crap about you or any christian in the middle east. In fact, the emigration of christians out of the middle east is in large part due to the U.S./Israeli foreign policy.
 

Ice Tea

Active Member
Yes, I don't get why Hizbullah is so demonized by some Christians. Their target has always been Israel and Wahhabism, not Christian presence in Lebanon.
I guess M14 Christians still hold a grudge because Hizbullah decimated Lahd's army and LFers used to be very close to SLA.
As for the majority of Sunnis, they are just filled with sectarian hate.

Notice, the ones who go on TV and spread propaganda about Hizbullah are actully bankrolled by Saudi Arabia. (Future, LF, Kataeb). Not surprising. They only repeat what Saudi Arabian leaders say.


Because they want Lebanon to become a mini Islamic rebublic modeled after Iran perhaps? Just because they are more strategist and patient than Sunni Wahhabis doesn't make them any better.
 

Manifesto

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
I can't be an SSNPer when I was against the Syrian invasion. But if it makes you feel better, ok.

This isn't the first time I hear such an accusation being thrown at any Christian who dares venture off mainstream Christian far-right thinking.

It shows how little they know the party because, while SSNP members fought alongside Leftists in the civil war, they have nothing to do with Left-wing politics.
 
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flag-waver

Legendary Member
I think Berri is a prick. Try harder. Perhaps, it's alien to you, but I'm independent.

I will repeat to you again. the issue is not with the system but with the politicians running the country. You think you will be able to remove the sectarian of the druze masalan with a secular system?
 

Patriot

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
The U.S. funds the army to have a counter balance against HA. They don't give a crap about you or any christian in the middle east. In fact, the emigration of christians out of the middle east is in large part due to the U.S./Israeli foreign policy.

Definitely,
And when time comes (God forbid), we stood arms against HA we will get even more support.
The emigration of christians out of the middle east is the direct result of the rise of radical Islam which was indirectly caused by the failed US/Israeli foreign policy in the region.
 

Patriot

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
This isn't the first time I hear such an accusation being ghrown at any Christian who dares venture off mainstream Christian far-right thinking.

It shows how little they know the party because, while SSNP members fought alongside Leftists in the civil war, they have nothing to do with Left-wing politics.

The guy endorsed the Greater Syria ideology in some other threads.

SSNP are socialists nationalists
Like Nazis
Far right in politics
Left wing in socioeconomics
 

Ice Tea

Active Member
Federalism will acknowledge everyone’s right and territory. Christians will know how to defend their territory but first it needs to be acknowledged.

You said it, a muslim majority would never go for it thus refusing to acknowledge my rights and existance.

How do you expect me to accept secularism and give them majority in Parliament no strings attached ?


The only reason Muslims don't want Federalism or any sort of Christian autonomy is because they think Christians are not entitled to it and believe Christians should live like dhimmis or simply not exist. They are greedy hypocrites, for them the whole MENA (and eventually the World) should be one monolithic Muslim Arab entity. They KNOW they are invaders in our lands but still call it theirs.
 

Dynamite Joe

Well-Known Member
This isn't the first time I hear such an accusation being ghrown at any Christian who dares venture off mainstream Christian far-right thinking.

It shows how little they know the party because, while SSNP members fought alongside Leftists in the civil war, they have nothing to do with Left-wing politics.

That's the definition of ideologues. They are tunnel visioned. Anything that contradicts their ideology, must therefore, be their enemy.

I'm one who believes Lebanon should never have been partitioned from Syria. Nonetheless it was, and since then it's developed it's own unique culture and 'nationalism' (a word I dislike intensely btw. Nothing more is abhorrent to me than strident nationalists). So therefore, I don't support SSNP. Their ideology would require a forceful integration in this day and age.
 

Dynamite Joe

Well-Known Member
I will repeat to you again. the issue is not with the system but with the politicians running the country. You think you will be able to remove the sectarian of the druze masalan with a secular system?

I don't think a secular system is a magical potion. But there's no other way. The world is getting less religious. If you pay attention to extremists, you'd think otherwise. But in large, religion is becoming less relevant in the daily life of the average joe. This decline will be exponential in the coming decade if trends hold.
 

Manifesto

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
I'm one who believes Lebanon should never have been partitioned from Syria. Nonetheless it was, and since then it's developed it's own unique culture and 'nationalism' (a word I dislike intensely btw. Nothing more is abhorrent to me than strident nationalists). So therefore, I don't support SSNP. Their ideology would require a forceful integration in this day and age.

100%. The proof is that Syrians got along very well until Saudi Arabia started funding Sunni wahhabists.
Syria was a model for religious coexistence.
 

Patriot

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
That's the definition of ideologues. They are tunnel visioned. Anything that contradicts their ideology, must therefore, be their enemy.

I'm one who believes Lebanon should never have been partitioned from Syria. Nonetheless it was, and since then it's developed it's own unique culture and 'nationalism' (a word I dislike intensely btw. Nothing more is abhorrent to me than strident nationalists). So therefore, I don't support SSNP. Their ideology would require a forceful integration in this day and age.

Listen to yourself,
Anyone who doesn’t recognize my country called LEBANON is my enemy.
As simple as that...

What the hell.
 

Dynamite Joe

Well-Known Member
Definitely,
And when time comes (God forbid), we stood arms against HA we will get even more support.
The emigration of christians out of the middle east is the direct result of the rise of radical Islam which was indirectly caused by the failed US/Israeli foreign policy in the region.

You can hardly say indirectly when they were being armed and getting ample military support by these powers.

To your other point, Christians standing against HA will be a failure either way. If HA is eliminated, you end up with a sunni dominated country with unfettered power. If you look around at other sunni countries in the area, you should be alarmed. If HA remains which is the likely outcome, then you've alienated the shia community for decades to come. Don't be short sighted.
 

Dynamite Joe

Well-Known Member
Listen to yourself,
Anyone who doesn’t recognize my country called LEBANON is my enemy.
As simple as that...

What the hell.

Your Lebanon is a Christian dominated Lebanon at the expense of non-Christians. Sort of pre-civil war era on steroids.
 

Patriot

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
Your Lebanon is a Christian dominated Lebanon at the expense of non-Christians. Sort of pre-civil war era on steroids.

Again
You keep repeating the same cassette.

And i’ll tell you again,
If what you’re saying is true we won’t be asking for federalism
So please let’s put this subject behind us because the 1943 constitution is gone for no return.
 

Ice Tea

Active Member
Secularism is the biggest bullshit islamists asks for to wipe out christianity from the region. Look at Iraq. Shia and sunni and kurds militas everywhere and where are the christians? 1 million fled.

What they did to Assyrians is what they wish to do to us. Assyrians were never like Syrian Christians, who are proud dhimmis, they were fierce warriors who fought for their lands and always dreamed of self determination. But historically they only shared their lands with Kurds, that's why Saddam settled hundreds of thousands of those backwards Bedouin in the Nineveh: to kill them. Now Assyrians had two enemies in their lands, Arabs and Kurds, both of whom continued to persecute them and made almost all of them leave. But with ISIS, the remainders had to choose a side, and since all Arabs in their lands and Mosul supported ISIS they sided with Kurds and fought the Islamic State. Only to shortly after ISIS was defeated in Iraq, Kurds attacked and expelled the rest of Assyrians. That's who they are.
 
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