Trump’s election consultants filmed saying they use bribes and sex workers to entrap politicians

Isabella

Isabella

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I'm not going for anything other than indulging my own curiosity!
And not switching around convoluted or none convuluted bullshit, at all.
Channel 4 is ultimately owned by someone and the investigation was ultimately commissioned by someone.
But we can say channel 4 and be done with it if you insist !



Looooool, will resist the temptation of comparing you to a certain mammal. You earned yourself an "F" on the report card :D
Ab= ba, that's what was meant by commutative property! As for convoluted bullshit since you apparently need everything spoonfed to you, saying the anti trump NATO with a smiley face constitutes bullshit :)! Well it's actually a low effort shitpost but we can call it bullshit post :)

Anyway I have a very low tolerance for silly people who want to appear smarter than what they are, so you can feel free to go back to posting whatever nonsense you feel like posting but do it without quoting me in the future :)
 
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    joseph_lubnan

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    Yeah it's all in the title! The channel 4 report Cambridge analytica tried to burry is officially out and it's fascinating (for lack of a better word!)


    Revealed: Trump’s election consultants filmed saying they use bribes and sex workers to entrap politicians
    It's too long got bored. I am sick of hearing why Trump is bad. I also think this relentless propaganda against him will backfire, and he will be elected by a bigger margin for 4 more years. People who never even supported Trump are sick of the media crap show, and the hypocrisy and lunacy that seems endless.
     
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    Death To Google

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    Ab= ba, that's what was meant by commutative property! As for convoluted bullshit since you apparently need everything spoonfed to you, saying the anti trump NATO with a smiley face constitutes bullshit :)! Well it's actually a low effort shitpost but we can call it bullshit post :)

    Anyway I have a very low tolerance for silly people who want to appear smarter than what they are, so you can feel free to go back to posting whatever nonsense you feel like posting but do it without quoting me in the future :)
    OK for now but can't promise the not quoting thing, will do my best to accommodate that :D
     
    Isabella

    Isabella

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    It's too long got bored. I am sick of hearing why Trump is bad. I also think this relentless propaganda against him will backfire, and he will be elected by a bigger margin for 4 more years. People who never even supported Trump are sick of the media crap show, and the hypocrisy and lunacy that seems endless.
    Despite the title this is not just about Donald trump, it's about a company that has interfered and swayed the results of over 200 elections world-wide and currently under investigation by the British authorities!

    Actually the report specifically about Donald trump will probably be out today along with the one on Brexit.

    Anyway if you are not interested in the subject you can quite easily avoid the thread :p
     
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    Death To Google

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    It's too long got bored. I am sick of hearing why Trump is bad. I also think this relentless propaganda against him will backfire, and he will be elected by a bigger margin for 4 more years. People who never even supported Trump are sick of the media crap show, and the hypocrisy and lunacy that seems endless.
    His present margin of maneuver has just been reduced. Trump can't act too adventurous with questions raised over his legitimacy :)
     
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    joseph_lubnan

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    Despite the title this is not just about Donald trump, it's about a company that has interfered and swayed the results of over 200 elections world-wide and currently under investigation by the British authorities!

    Actually the report specifically about Donald trump will probably be out today along with the one on Brexit.

    Anyway if you are not interested in the subject you can quite easily avoid the thread :p
    I am interested thus I'm here :)
    So your title is propaganda then? Is that what you are saying? Lol
     
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    joseph_lubnan

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    His present margin of maneuver has just been reduced. Trump can't act too adventurous with questions raised over his legitimacy :)
    He is 100% legitimate. And he is the president. He will likely be for 4 more years again especially if this lunacy from the left continues.
     
    Isabella

    Isabella

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    I am interested this I'm here :)
    So your title is propaganda then? Is that what you are saying? Lol
    No since there will be 2 other parts of this investigation one today and one tomorrow one of which is dedicated to the us elections the other Brexit, this was the first part of this expose. Also they were his consultants they started brainstorming slogans since 2014 actually more specifically build that wall, drain the swamp and something else in order to attract conspiracy theorists way before trump announced his intent to run for president

    I'm guessing channel 4 chose this title in particular because it's better to say trump's election consultants than the company Steve Bannon was on the board of, Cambridge analytica lol
     
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    Death To Google

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    He is 100% legitimate. And he is the president. He will likely be for 4 more years again especially if this lunacy from the left continues.
    Not disputing or debating if he will be reelected or not. Am talking about present margin of maneuver., especially vis a vis adventurous initiatives such as attacking Syria.
     
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    joseph_lubnan

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    Not disputing or debating if he will be reelected or not. Am talking about present margin of maneuver., especially vis a vis adventurous initiatives such as attacking Syria.
    Lol at attacking Syria! :) Haida Elli sheghel belak :)
     
    Isabella

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    UK Parliament summons Facebook's Mark Zuckerberg to be questioned over Cambridge Analytica scandal

    MPs have summoned Facebook's Mark Zuckerberg to give evidence over the "catastrophic failure of process" behind the Cambridge Analytica data breach.
    Damian Collins, chair of the influential Digital, Culture, Media and Sport committee (DCMS), said the social media giant had previously given "misleading" evidence to Parliament and "consistently understated the risk" of user data being used without their consent.
    In a sternly-worded letter, Mr Collins said it was time for the Facebook founder to address MPs over allegations that Cambridge Analytica carried out an illegal data grab on more than 50 million social media profiles in 2014

    Edit: the term data breach is being used very liberally here indicating that somehow CA stole this data from Facebook this is not actually true, while Facebook wants to make sure they are off the hook they are also downplaying (they said the 50 million user data becoming available to CA was because those users gave permission to a third party app when the numbers show only 270000 people have done so, so it still doesn't explain how 50 million individuals had their privacy breached!) The fact that they have sold this data to CA.

    Whatever happens to both Facebook and CA now is entirely on them!
     
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    Isabella

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    Part 2 is out, it's about trump's campaign and how CA ran it...

    Exposed: Undercover secrets of Trump’s data firm

    An undercover investigation by Channel 4 News has revealed how Cambridge Analytica claims it ran key parts of the presidential campaign for Donald Trump.

    The British data company was secretly filmed discussing coordination between Trump’s campaign and outside groups – an activity which is potentially illegal.

    Executives claimed they “ran all the digital campaign, the television campaign and our data informed all the strategy” for President Trump.

    In the third part of a Channel 4 News investigation into Cambridge Analytica, bosses also talked about:

    • The full scale of their pivotal work in Trump’s election win
    • How they avoid Congressional investigations into their foreign clients
    • Setting up proxy organisations to feed untraceable messages onto social media
    • Using a secret email system where messages self-destruct and leave no trace
    • Cambridge Analytica’s involvement in the “Defeat Crooked Hilary” brand of attack ads
    In a series of meetings filmed at London hotels over four months, between November 2017 and January 2018 an undercover reporter for Channel 4 News posed as a fixer for a wealthy client hoping to get candidates elected in Sri Lanka.

    ‘We ran all the digital campaign’
    The company says their work with data and research allowed Mr Trump to win with a narrow margin of “40,000 votes” in three states providing victory in the electoral college system, despite losing the popular vote by more than 3 million votes.

    The election was plagued by allegations of fake news and smears on social media, along with the alleged attempt by Russia to influence the outcome.

    Mr Nix boasted about Cambridge Analytica’s work for Trump, saying: “We did all the research, all the data, all the analytics, all the targeting, we ran all the digital campaign, the television campaign and our data informed all the strategy.”

    Separately, Mr Turnbull described how the company could create proxy organisations to discreetly feed negative material about opposition candidates on to the Internet and social media.

    He said: “Sometimes you can use proxy organisations who are already there. You feed them. They are civil society organisations.. Charities or activist groups, and we use them – feed them the material and they do the work…

    “We just put information into the bloodstream to the internet and then watch it grow, give it a little push every now and again over time to watch it take shape. And so this stuff infiltrates the online community and expands but with no branding – so it’s unattributable, untrackable.”

    Cambridge Analytica’s senior executives were also filmed discussing a twin-track strategy to campaigning, putting out positive messages through the official Donald J Trump for President campaign, while negative material was pushed out through outside organisations.

    Cambridge Analytica’s chief data scientist Dr Tayler said: “As part of it, sometimes you have to separate it from the political campaign itself. So in America you know there are independent expenditure groups running behind the campaign… Super pacs. Political action committees.

    “So, campaigns are normally subject to limits about how much money they can raise. Whereas outside groups can raise an unlimited amount. So the campaign will use their finite resources for things like persuasion and mobilisation and then they leave the ‘air war’ they call it, like the negative attack ads to other affiliated groups.”

    In a different meeting, Mr Turnbull described how the company created the “Defeat Crooked Hilary” brand of attack ads, that were funded by the Make America Number 1 super-PAC and watched more than 30 million times during the campaign.

    Coordination between an official election campaign and any outside groups is illegal under US election law. Cambridge Analytica deny wrongdoing, insisting a strict firewall separated out their activity and that they were transparent about their work on political campaigns and PACs.

    ‘No paper trail’
    In one exchange Alexander Nix revealed the company used a secret self-destructing email system that leaves no trace. He said: “No-one knows we have it, and secondly we set our… emails with a self-destruct timer… So you send them and after they’ve been read, two hours later, they disappear. There’s no evidence, there’s no paper trail, there’s nothing.”

    Mr Nix also belittled representatives on the House Intelligence Committee to whom he gave evidence in 2017. He claims Republican members asked just three questions. “After five minutes – done.”

    “They’re politicians, they’re not technical. They don’t understand how it works,” he said.

    Mr Nix further claimed that Democrats on the Committee are motivated by “sour grapes”.

    He said: “They don’t understand because the candidate never, is never involved. He’s told what to do by the campaign team.”

    “So the candidate is the puppet?,” the undercover reporter asked.

    “Always,” replied Mr Nix.

    He added that his firm could avoid any US investigation into its foreign clients. “I’m absolutely convinced that they have no jurisdiction…,” he said. “We’ll say none of your business.”

    The meetings involved Mr Nix, along with Mark Turnbull, Managing Director Political Global, and Dr Alex Tayler, the company’s chief data scientist.

    ‘Very disturbing’
    Defeated presidential candidate Hillary Clinton has told Channel 4 News how she faced a “massive propaganda effort” during the election – and questioned if Cambridge Analytica helped the Russians in their alleged attempt to influence the election outcome.

    In an exclusive interview filmed in October 2017 to promote her book, she said: “There was a new kind of campaign that was being run on the other side – that nobody had ever faced before. Because it wasn’t just all about me. It was about how to suppress voters who were inclined to vote for me.

    “When you have a massive propaganda effort to prevent people from thinking straight, because they’re being flooded with false information and you have people who are searching.. trying to make sense of it. But every search engine, every site they go into is repeating these fabrications. Then yes It affected the thought processes of voters.”

    The former candidate also questioned whether Cambridge Analytica were involved in the Russia’s alleged attempt to influence the election, calling the possibility “very disturbing”.

    Cambridge Analytica strongly deny any involvement and say any such allegation is false.

    Clinton said: “So you’ve got CA, you’ve got the Republican National Committee which of course has always done data collection and analysis and you’ve got the Russians. And the real question is how did the Russians know how to target their messages so precisely to undecided voters in Wisconsin or Michigan or Pennsylvania – that is really the nub of the question.

    “So if they were getting advice from say Cambridge Analytica or someone else about OK here are the 12 voters in this town in Wisconsin – that’s whose Facebook pages you need to be on to send these messages that indeed would be very disturbing.”

    ‘Absurd’ allegations
    Tonight, a Cambridge Analytica spokesman said: “CA has never claimed it won the election for President Trump. This is patently absurd. We are proud of the work we did on that campaign, and have spoken in many public forums about what we consider to be our contribution to the campaign.”

    On campaign finance violations, the firm said: “Cambridge Analytica has been completely transparent about our simultaneous work on both political campaigns and political action committees (including publicly declaring our work on both with FEC filings). We have strict firewall practises to ensure no coordination between regulated groups, including the teams working on non-coordinated campaigns being physically separated, using different servers and being banned from communicating with each other.”

    On Russia investigation: “As one of the companies that played a prominent role in the 2016 election campaign, Cambridge Analytica is committed to supporting and assisting the House Intelligence Committee investigation into Russian interference in the election in any way that we can. CA is not under investigation, and there is no suggestion of any wrongdoing by the company. They deny any involvement in the alleged Russian attempts and say such an allegation is entirely false.”

    And on ProtonMail, Cambridge Analytica said: “It’s common practice to use encrypted communications. We take information security with the utmost seriousness, and for high profile clients using maintain stream email providers simply doesn’t provide a suitable level of security.”
     
    Isabella

    Isabella

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    He is 100% legitimate. And he is the president. He will likely be for 4 more years again especially if this lunacy from the left continues.
    Just saw this post... Of course he is if by legitimate you mean getting elected because a British big data firm, in bed with Russian oil, influenced an American presidential election in the most critical swing states, in the most targeted manner, using stolen data from facebook. All of this occurs while Russian troll factories at the direction of the Kremlin amplify the content.

    Donald trump stole these elections, and he has done so with foreign help. It really is as simple as that!


    Data Firm Tied to Trump Campaign Talked Business With Russians

    The only lunacy is looking at this, and the many many other trump scandals and thinking huh propaganda bullshit!
     
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    Just saw this post... Of course he is if by legitimate you mean getting elected because a British big data firm, in bed with Russian oil, influenced an American presidential election in the most critical swing states, in the most targeted manner, using stolen data from facebook. All of this occurs while Russian troll factories at the direction of the Kremlin amplify the content.

    Donald trump stole these elections, and he has done so with foreign help. It really is as simple as that!


    Data Firm Tied to Trump Campaign Talked Business With Russians
    No, data scientists won this election. Fair and square.

    Hillary used big data in her 2012 run. Used big data to oust sanders. And used big data against trump.

    Ultimately some models proved more accurate than others. Russia is just an excuse for sore losers.
     
    Isabella

    Isabella

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    No, data scientists won this election. Fair and square.

    Hillary used big data in her 2012 run. Used big data to oust sanders. And used big data against trump.

    Ultimately some models proved more accurate than others. Russia is just an excuse for sore losers.
    Fair and square by having a puppet candidate by their own admission? And carefully curating a scenario, manipulating public opinion in order to get him elected? That's what you consider fair?
     
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    Muki

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    No, data scientists won this election. Fair and square.

    Hillary used big data in her 2012 run. Used big data to oust sanders. And used big data against trump.

    Ultimately some models proved more accurate than others. Russia is just an excuse for sore losers.
    Yeah, US intelligence agencies (the whole lot of them) are sore losers.
     
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    Death To Google

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    Who can use big data and for what (privacy), as well as who can police what speech and where (freedom of expression) need to be regulated by stringent laws and regulations. Further than that; protection and vigilance against the dangers of data collection & speech police ought to be advocated for on the cultural and ideological level, as part of the battle against authoritarianism and despotism.

    We live in new age, old laws and cultural dispositions have grown obsolete and need update. This includes updating the US constitution in light of new technology.
     
    Iron Maiden

    Iron Maiden

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    Fair and square by having a puppet candidate by their own admission? And carefully curating a scenario, manipulating public opinion in order to get him elected? That's what you consider fair?
    Its fair yes, he had no inherent advantage over her, she had no handicap, other than being a fake horrible person :)

    All elections are about manipulating people's opinions and directing ur message towards a certain receptive audience.
    It all boils down to Hillary having less experienced data engineers, No need for the outrage.

    Also it makes me very happy to know that a couple of geeks can now turn around a whole election :p

    Yeah, US intelligence agencies (the whole lot of them) are sore losers.
    Go ask ur senate committee why they said russia's role was non existant or very limited then we'll discuss this
     
    Isabella

    Isabella

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    Its fair yes, he had no inherent advantage over her, she had no handicap, other than being a fake horrible person :)

    All elections are about manipulating people's opinions and directing ur message towards a certain receptive audience.
    It all boils down to Hillary having less experienced data engineers, No need for the outrage.

    Also it makes me very happy to know that a couple of geeks can now turn around a whole election :p



    Go ask ur senate committee why they said russia's role was non existant or very limited then we'll discuss this
    I don't think you understand just how seriously alarming this is! This firm boasted about having data on 240 million people, including names email addresses and personal preferences! About carefully curating a scenario to appeal to them personally! About the candidate always being a puppet... About actually targeting swing states in order for trump to win because they knew he could not win the popular vote! No matter how you twist it, it is still not fair, not ethical and in the case of bribes and prostitution not f*cking legal!

    But hey at least you're happy that people worldwide are getting manipulated more and more efficiently!
     
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