Trump’s election consultants filmed saying they use bribes and sex workers to entrap politicians

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Go ask ur senate committee why they said russia's role was non existant or very limited then we'll discuss this
I do not care what a hyperpartisan Senate committee said -- I care about a special counsel investigation and about what US intelligence agencies say.
 
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  • Iron Maiden

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    I don't think you understand just how seriously alarming this is! This firm boasted about having data on 240 million people, including names email addresses and personal preferences! About carefully curating a scenario to appeal to them personally! About the candidate always being a puppet... About actually targeting swing states in order for trump to win because they knew he could not win the popular vote! No matter how you twist it is still not fair, not ethical and in the case of bribes and prostitution not f*cking legal!

    But hey at least you're happy that people worldwide are getting manipulated more and more effectively!
    Wait a minute, i was debating fairness, not ethicality :) dont go adding stuff now.

    As i said before it is fair, same playing grounds different strategies. And hillary's team also had access to peoples data from 3 other election processes. I couldnt say how many people but am sure its in the millions too.

    Maybe after this people will actually wake up and think abt what they share on the internet, and start hiding their actual identities.
    We'll have great anonymous nicknames instead of the FadiaH88 crap we have to deal with..
     
    Isabella

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    I do not care what a hyperpartisan Senate committee said -- I care about a special counsel investigation and about what US intelligence agencies say.
    This is where propaganda is successful! Hey look these people covering their asses decided there was no interference despite an enormous amount of evidence, all intelligence agencies, and an ongoing investigation stating there was!

    Misinformation and diminishing the severity of a serious issue reign supreme in the world of "alternative facts" and social media
     
    Isabella

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    Wait a minute, i was debating fairness, not ethicality :) dont go adding stuff now.

    As i said before it is fair, same playing grounds different strategies. And hillary's team also had access to peoples data from 3 other election processes. I couldnt say how many people but am sure its in the millions too.

    Maybe after this people will actually wake up and think abt what they share on the internet, and start hiding their actual identities.
    We'll have great anonymous nicknames instead of the FadiaH88 crap we have to deal with..
    I still don't think it was a fair elections to begin with! Not when you have troll farms, fake news running rampant, firms like CA trying to bypass actual laws put in place like funding for political campaigns (seriously watch the video or read the article I posted above) and people somehow living in an alternative reality where actual facts don't matter anymore for the sake of shiny slogans like lock her up and empty words such as deep state carefully curated to appeal to conspiracy theorists ( also explained above)

    I always figured people were dumb, I just didn't think we were this easily manipulated!
     
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    proIsrael-nonIsraeli

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    I do not care what a hyperpartisan Senate committee said -- I care about a special counsel investigation and about what US intelligence agencies say.
    Ironically Special Counsel is just as hyper-partisan if not more - if you choose to mistrust one you definitely must mistrust the other as well.
     
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    Part 2 is out, it's about trump's campaign and how CA ran it...

    Exposed: Undercover secrets of Trump’s data firm

    An undercover investigation by Channel 4 News has revealed how Cambridge Analytica claims it ran key parts of the presidential campaign for Donald Trump.

    The British data company was secretly filmed discussing coordination between Trump’s campaign and outside groups – an activity which is potentially illegal.

    Executives claimed they “ran all the digital campaign, the television campaign and our data informed all the strategy” for President Trump.

    In the third part of a Channel 4 News investigation into Cambridge Analytica, bosses also talked about:

    • The full scale of their pivotal work in Trump’s election win
    • How they avoid Congressional investigations into their foreign clients
    • Setting up proxy organisations to feed untraceable messages onto social media
    • Using a secret email system where messages self-destruct and leave no trace
    • Cambridge Analytica’s involvement in the “Defeat Crooked Hilary” brand of attack ads
    In a series of meetings filmed at London hotels over four months, between November 2017 and January 2018 an undercover reporter for Channel 4 News posed as a fixer for a wealthy client hoping to get candidates elected in Sri Lanka.

    ‘We ran all the digital campaign’
    The company says their work with data and research allowed Mr Trump to win with a narrow margin of “40,000 votes” in three states providing victory in the electoral college system, despite losing the popular vote by more than 3 million votes.

    The election was plagued by allegations of fake news and smears on social media, along with the alleged attempt by Russia to influence the outcome.

    Mr Nix boasted about Cambridge Analytica’s work for Trump, saying: “We did all the research, all the data, all the analytics, all the targeting, we ran all the digital campaign, the television campaign and our data informed all the strategy.”

    Separately, Mr Turnbull described how the company could create proxy organisations to discreetly feed negative material about opposition candidates on to the Internet and social media.

    He said: “Sometimes you can use proxy organisations who are already there. You feed them. They are civil society organisations.. Charities or activist groups, and we use them – feed them the material and they do the work…

    “We just put information into the bloodstream to the internet and then watch it grow, give it a little push every now and again over time to watch it take shape. And so this stuff infiltrates the online community and expands but with no branding – so it’s unattributable, untrackable.”

    Cambridge Analytica’s senior executives were also filmed discussing a twin-track strategy to campaigning, putting out positive messages through the official Donald J Trump for President campaign, while negative material was pushed out through outside organisations.

    Cambridge Analytica’s chief data scientist Dr Tayler said: “As part of it, sometimes you have to separate it from the political campaign itself. So in America you know there are independent expenditure groups running behind the campaign… Super pacs. Political action committees.

    “So, campaigns are normally subject to limits about how much money they can raise. Whereas outside groups can raise an unlimited amount. So the campaign will use their finite resources for things like persuasion and mobilisation and then they leave the ‘air war’ they call it, like the negative attack ads to other affiliated groups.”

    In a different meeting, Mr Turnbull described how the company created the “Defeat Crooked Hilary” brand of attack ads, that were funded by the Make America Number 1 super-PAC and watched more than 30 million times during the campaign.

    Coordination between an official election campaign and any outside groups is illegal under US election law. Cambridge Analytica deny wrongdoing, insisting a strict firewall separated out their activity and that they were transparent about their work on political campaigns and PACs.

    ‘No paper trail’
    In one exchange Alexander Nix revealed the company used a secret self-destructing email system that leaves no trace. He said: “No-one knows we have it, and secondly we set our… emails with a self-destruct timer… So you send them and after they’ve been read, two hours later, they disappear. There’s no evidence, there’s no paper trail, there’s nothing.”

    Mr Nix also belittled representatives on the House Intelligence Committee to whom he gave evidence in 2017. He claims Republican members asked just three questions. “After five minutes – done.”

    “They’re politicians, they’re not technical. They don’t understand how it works,” he said.

    Mr Nix further claimed that Democrats on the Committee are motivated by “sour grapes”.

    He said: “They don’t understand because the candidate never, is never involved. He’s told what to do by the campaign team.”

    “So the candidate is the puppet?,” the undercover reporter asked.

    “Always,” replied Mr Nix.

    He added that his firm could avoid any US investigation into its foreign clients. “I’m absolutely convinced that they have no jurisdiction…,” he said. “We’ll say none of your business.”

    The meetings involved Mr Nix, along with Mark Turnbull, Managing Director Political Global, and Dr Alex Tayler, the company’s chief data scientist.

    ‘Very disturbing’
    Defeated presidential candidate Hillary Clinton has told Channel 4 News how she faced a “massive propaganda effort” during the election – and questioned if Cambridge Analytica helped the Russians in their alleged attempt to influence the election outcome.

    In an exclusive interview filmed in October 2017 to promote her book, she said: “There was a new kind of campaign that was being run on the other side – that nobody had ever faced before. Because it wasn’t just all about me. It was about how to suppress voters who were inclined to vote for me.

    “When you have a massive propaganda effort to prevent people from thinking straight, because they’re being flooded with false information and you have people who are searching.. trying to make sense of it. But every search engine, every site they go into is repeating these fabrications. Then yes It affected the thought processes of voters.”

    The former candidate also questioned whether Cambridge Analytica were involved in the Russia’s alleged attempt to influence the election, calling the possibility “very disturbing”.

    Cambridge Analytica strongly deny any involvement and say any such allegation is false.

    Clinton said: “So you’ve got CA, you’ve got the Republican National Committee which of course has always done data collection and analysis and you’ve got the Russians. And the real question is how did the Russians know how to target their messages so precisely to undecided voters in Wisconsin or Michigan or Pennsylvania – that is really the nub of the question.

    “So if they were getting advice from say Cambridge Analytica or someone else about OK here are the 12 voters in this town in Wisconsin – that’s whose Facebook pages you need to be on to send these messages that indeed would be very disturbing.”

    ‘Absurd’ allegations
    Tonight, a Cambridge Analytica spokesman said: “CA has never claimed it won the election for President Trump. This is patently absurd. We are proud of the work we did on that campaign, and have spoken in many public forums about what we consider to be our contribution to the campaign.”

    On campaign finance violations, the firm said: “Cambridge Analytica has been completely transparent about our simultaneous work on both political campaigns and political action committees (including publicly declaring our work on both with FEC filings). We have strict firewall practises to ensure no coordination between regulated groups, including the teams working on non-coordinated campaigns being physically separated, using different servers and being banned from communicating with each other.”

    On Russia investigation: “As one of the companies that played a prominent role in the 2016 election campaign, Cambridge Analytica is committed to supporting and assisting the House Intelligence Committee investigation into Russian interference in the election in any way that we can. CA is not under investigation, and there is no suggestion of any wrongdoing by the company. They deny any involvement in the alleged Russian attempts and say such an allegation is entirely false.”

    And on ProtonMail, Cambridge Analytica said: “It’s common practice to use encrypted communications. We take information security with the utmost seriousness, and for high profile clients using maintain stream email providers simply doesn’t provide a suitable level of security.”
    Kif elik jledeh te2reh kil hol? I'd rather read the Bible or the TV manual.
     
    Muki

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    Ironically Special Counsel is just as hyper-partisan if not more - if you choose to mistrust one you definitely must mistrust the other as well.
    Mueller is a registered Republican who was appointed by a Republican who was appointed by Trump himself. I see no reason to mistrust his integrity and biases with respect to this investigation.
     
    proIsrael-nonIsraeli

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    Mueller is a registered Republican who was appointed by a Republican who was appointed by Trump himself. I see no reason to mistrust his integrity and biases with respect to this investigation.
    1 "Mueller is a registered Republican" - I heard speculation, but did not see the proof.
    2 "who was appointed by a Republican" - whoever do you mean?
    3 "who was appointed by Trump himself" - depends on your answer to #2
    4 check Mueller's team of lawyers - each and everyone of them is hardcore Clinton's donor.
     
    Indie

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    I watched close to half of the first video, and there is nothing new in what the CA representatives are saying. The tactics they're using have always been part of propaganda, and not just in politics. It's manipulative, but that's communications 101. Nothing specific to Trump.

    But I'll watch the rest and see if there's anything more to this story.
     
    Indie

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    Ok...so I watched both videos and there is nothing new or earth shattering here. Same old methods that they all use, new tools. And the U.S. interferes in foreign elections too. It's not just a Russian thing.
     
    SeaAb

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    Ok...so I watched both videos and there is nothing new or earth shattering here. Same old methods that they all use, new tools. And the U.S. interferes in foreign elections too. It's not just a Russian thing.
     
    Isabella

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    I watched close to half of the first video, and there is nothing new in what the CA representatives are saying. The tactics they're using have always been part of propaganda, and not just in politics. It's manipulative, but that's communications 101. Nothing specific to Trump.

    But I'll watch the rest and see if there's anything more to this story.
    Really? There is nothing you find even remotely alarming when the head of an election consultant agency says he has data on 240 million people and uses Facebook to target specific propaganda to them to manipulate their views in order to get their votes? Also really? Their tactics are politics 101? So using ex spies to spy on your opponent, bypassing funding laws in order to sneak in more money, using prostitutes in order to entrap your opponent and bribes is politics 101?

    When it comes to the Russian connection as well, the links between CA and Russia were posted in article in a reply. However what was stated here is that this company, more specifically the head of this company, bragged about swaying 200 elections world-wide... You don't think the results of these elections are even slightly questionable? Elections such as Brexit and Donald trump winning where public opinion was manipulated by fiction rather than facts and where social media reigned supreme!? It's all old and usual eh!
     
    Isabella

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    No one is taking the united states off the hook when they talk about russian interference! It's quite well known they're all over the planet in one form or another and certainly not just regarding elections!

    Here's an example masalan: currently MBS has bragged that Jared kushner is in his back pocket... Well it turns out that those princes that were caught tortured and killed, this was based on information provided by Jared kushner to MBS about these Saudi princes not being loyal to him... Information he illegally obtained in the first place granted, but information that has led to the capture, emprisonnent, torture and death of a lot of people including our prime minister!

    No idea what Mr kushner got for this exchange but he changed an entire country just by playing to the paranoia of a prince!

    However people like to paint Russia and China to a lesser extent on the forum like they are this benevolent force for good... They are not! You even posted propaganda making light of Putin's victory when the rest of the world saw multiple votings and blatant rigging!
     
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    Isabella

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    Kif elik jledeh te2reh kil hol? I'd rather read the Bible or the TV manual.
    Lol it's really not that big of a read! Took 5 minutes! The same info is also in the vid though so if you'd rather watch that, watch it
     
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    Dirty tactics in politics are old but current technology give them a new devastating effect and reach. Between mass psychological profiling, surveillance technology, selective exposure to information, and a new generation hooked on electronics since age 2-3... for first time in history it is possible to mass produce puppets on a large scale. This is not old news by any means.

    More attention need to be directed at the sophistication of manipulation techniques (which still is not fully understood), as well as the extent these techniques are used on (often innocent) individuals - not just groups for marketing purposes or politicians.

    Big data tech + lack of privacy + manipulation of information exposure = unprecedented historic threat to liberties.
     
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    Indie

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    Really? There is nothing you find even remotely alarming when the head of an election consultant agency says he has data on 240 million people and uses Facebook to target specific propaganda to them to manipulate their views in order to get their votes? Also really? Their tactics are politics 101? So using ex spies to spy on your opponent, bypassing funding laws in order to sneak in more money, using prostitutes in order to entrap your opponent and bribes is politics 101?

    When it comes to the Russian connection as well, the links between CA and Russia were posted in article in a reply. However what was stated here is that this company, more specifically the head of this company, bragged about swaying 200 elections world-wide... You don't think the results of these elections are even slightly questionable? Elections such as Brexit and Donald trump winning where public opinion was manipulated by fiction rather than facts and where social media reigned supreme!? It's all old and usual eh!
    As expected, Isabella and her strawmen strike again.

    Where did I say that I approve of what they're doing? All I said is that this investigation didn't reveal anything that politically aware people didn't already know. The journalists are hyping up their "findings" and giving the impression that they are new developments related to Trump; when, in fact, such tactics have been the norm for ages, in politics. Only naive and uninformed people would find any of this surprising.

    Now there's a reason I didn't address you personally, @Isabella , and that's because you have serious reading comprehension issues. Coupled with a nasty attitude, it makes conversation with you unbearable. So either improve your communication skills or avoid addressing me.
     
    Isabella

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    As expected, Isabella and her strawmen strike again.

    Where did I say that I approve of what they're doing? All I said is that this investigation didn't reveal anything that politically aware people didn't already know. The journalists are hyping up their "findings" and giving the impression that they are new developments related to Trump; when, in fact, such tactics have been the norm for ages, in politics. Only naive and uninformed people would find any of this surprising.

    Now there's a reason I didn't address you personally, @Isabella , and that's because you have serious reading comprehension issues. Coupled with a nasty attitude, it makes conversation with you unbearable. So either improve your communication skills or avoid addressing me.
    Right where did I say you approved of this? I just questioned what you found to be normal! And that "politically aware people already knew" ... So you knew that trump was going to run for president since 2014 for example? Or that they tested slogans like drain the swamp and crooked Hilary back then as well? Granted there are some stuff such as bribes and extortion that are common in third world country politics that companies such as this one benefit greatly from... But what's new in this case is the massive targeted advertising coupled with data on each and every voter! But okay cool it's just journalists hyping up their investigation :)

    The only one with a nasty attitude here is you though, as expected you could not help yourself but go low!
     
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