Understanding freemasonry!

What is Freemasonry ?

  • Freemasonry is a secret organization who aims for the ultimate truth

    Votes: 4 16.0%
  • Freemasonry is an organisation whose sole purpose is world affairs

    Votes: 5 20.0%
  • Freemasonry is a cult opposed to all religions

    Votes: 1 4.0%
  • Freemasonry is a myth

    Votes: 1 4.0%
  • I really don't know what freemasonry is!

    Votes: 1 4.0%
  • All the above

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • None of the above

    Votes: 13 52.0%

  • Total voters
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Just to clarify some things, I opened this thread because I'm a big fan of conspiracy theories, a secret organisation that is central to most of them is a natural point of interest. I have since lost interest in discussing freemasonry, I think they're just a bunch of old men with too much time on their hands now :p well and women since some lodges are apparently open to women :p
it seems we share some same taste in movies
well, these movies were beautifully directed and they get you hooked
but here's my personal opinion on free masons

لماذا لا يقال الماسونيّون ولكن الماسونيون الأحرار؟
أحرار من أية قيود؟ ومن وضع هذه القيود
ولماذا لم يظهر هذا التعبير ألا بعد أنتهاء وهذيمة الحملات الصليبية على الشرق الأسلامي؟
المغالطة التي يرتكبها بعض الصليبيين اللبنانيين أن الماسونية تمثل الكنيسة وهو العكس تماما

البداية
أرسلت الكنيسة الرومانية الحملات الصليبية الى الشرق لأسترجاع الأراضي المقدّسة حسب زعمها
فوجدت طائفة من هؤلاء الصليبيين الفرق الكبير في التقدم العلمي والعمراني بين الشرق الأسلامي
والغرب الصليبي المتخلّف آنذاك والذي يخضع للسلطة المطلقة للكنيسة الرومانية وفروعها في ممالك أوروبا
وتحالفها مع الملوك والأمراء الأوروبيون ورغباتهم في الأحتلال والسيطرة وشنّ الحروب

وعندما عادت هذه الطائفة من الصليبيين الى أوروبا وما تكشّف لها من حقائق عن الشرق وعن النوايا الحقيقية للكنيسة الرومانية
وملوك أوروبا قرروا أن يتحرروا من سلطة الكنيسة والجهل الذي حكمت فيه أوروبا لعدّة قرون ولذلك
سمّوا أنفسهم الماسونيون الأحرار - أي أحرار من سلطة الكنيسة ومعتقداتها

ففي ذلك الزمان كان يوجد بنائوا عمارة خاضعون لسلطة الملوك والكنيسة
ولذلك كان تعبير البنائون الأحرار وهو تعبير مجازي
يرمز الى تحرر العقل من قيود الجهل وخزعبلات ذلك الزمان

ومنذ ذلك الحين توسّعت دائرة الماسونيون الأحرار وأصبحوا في أزدياد حتى
باتت أحوال أوروبا الصليبية تتغيرّ مما جاء به هؤلاء من الشرق الأسلامي وهو ما
بدأ يدفعهم الى حشرية البحوث وأعتماد الشك طريق الى اليقين

وأصبحت تعقد هذه الصالونات والتي روادها المثقفون والباحثون والفلاسفة
للتشاور ونقاش الأقكار في أماكن سرّية أو في بيوت الدعارة حيث لا تتم ملاحقتهم وقتلهم
بأوامر من الكنيسة وبأسم البابا الروماني

أما الحديث عن فرسان المعبد والكأس المقدسة وأبناء عيسى بن مريم وزوجته فلا علاقة له
بالماسونيون الأحرار وهي أكاذيب وخزعبلات
 
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    it seems we share some same taste in movies
    well, these movies were beautifully directed and they get you hooked
    but here's my personal opinion on free masons

    لماذا لا يقال الماسونيّون ولكن الماسونيون الأحرار؟
    أحرار من أية قيود؟ ومن وضع هذه القيود
    ولماذا لم يظهر هذا التعبير ألا بعد أنتهاء وهذيمة الحملات الصليبية على الشرق الأسلامي؟
    المغالطة التي يرتكبها بعض الصليبيين اللبنانيين أن الماسونية تمثل الكنيسة وهو العكس تماما

    البداية
    أرسلت الكنيسة الرومانية الحملات الصليبية الى الشرق لأسترجاع الأراضي المقدّسة حسب زعمها
    فوجدت طائفة من هؤلاء الصليبيين الفرق الكبير في التقدم العلمي والعمراني بين الشرق الأسلامي
    والغرب الصليبي المتخلّف آنذاك والذي يخضع للسلطة المطلقة للكنيسة الرومانية وفروعها في ممالك أوروبا
    وتحالفها مع الملوك والأمراء الأوروبيون ورغباتهم في الأحتلال والسيطرة وشنّ الحروب

    وعندما عادت هذه الطائفة من الصليبيين الى أوروبا وما تكشّف لها من حقائق عن الشرق وعن النوايا الحقيقية للكنيسة الرومانية
    وملوك أوروبا قرروا أن يتحرروا من سلطة الكنيسة والجهل الذي حكمت فيه أوروبا لعدّة قرون ولذلك
    سمّوا أنفسهم الماسونيون الأحرار - أي أحرار من سلطة الكنيسة ومعتقداتها

    ففي ذلك الزمان كان يوجد بنائوا عمارة خاضعون لسلطة الملوك والكنيسة
    ولذلك كان تعبير البنائون الأحرار وهو تعبير مجازي
    يرمز الى تحرر العقل من قيود الجهل وخزعبلات ذلك الزمان

    ومنذ ذلك الحين توسّعت دائرة الماسونيون الأحرار وأصبحوا في أزدياد حتى
    باتت أحوال أوروبا الصليبية تتغيرّ مما جاء به هؤلاء من الشرق الأسلامي وهو ما
    بدأ يدفعهم الى حشرية البحوث وأعتماد الشك طريق الى اليقين

    وأصبحت تعقد هذه الصالونات والتي روادها المثقفون والباحثون والفلاسفة
    للتشاور ونقاش الأقكار في أماكن سرّية أو في بيوت الدعارة حيث لا تتم ملاحقتهم وقتلهم
    بأوامر من الكنيسة وبأسم البابا الروماني

    أما الحديث عن فرسان المعبد والكأس المقدسة وأبناء عيسى بن مريم وزوجته فلا علاقة له
    بالماسونيون الأحرار وهي أكاذيب وخزعبلات
    يعني مع احترامي لرأيك بش هيدا مش رأي ولا حتى قلو علاقة بالواقع هيدا بعض الافكار ومنسوبة للماسونية
    بليز ما تجاوبني رح وضحلك ياها وهل افكار وعربلك اياهن بمقال
    في شي منو الو علاقة بالدعارة بس هودي مش ماسونيين هودي منتحلين صفة منسميهم clandestine
     
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    يعني مع احترامي لرأيك بش هيدا مش رأي ولا حتى قلو علاقة بالواقع هيدا بعض الافكار ومنسوبة للماسونية
    بليز ما تجاوبني رح وضحلك ياها وهل افكار وعربلك اياهن بمقال
    في شي منو الو علاقة بالدعارة بس هودي مش ماسونيين هودي منتحلين صفة منسميهم clandestine
    ما كتبته هي بداية الماسونية. لم يكن بأمكان هؤلاء الأجتماع بمكان عام أو في أماكن ثقافية أو مدارس خاصة بهم
    ألا أن الماسونية الآن لا تشبه الماسونية الأصلية لأسباب متعددة
    أما في ما يخص لبنان فهؤلاء ليسوا ماسونيون أنما دمى متحركة تستعملهم الماسونية المعاصرة
    لتسيطر على أوضاع الشعوب وسياسة وأقتصاد البلدان الذين ينتمون أليها
     
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    ما كتبته هي بداية الماسونية. لم يكن بأمكان هؤلاء الأجتماع بمكان عام أو في أماكن ثقافية أو مدارس خاصة بهم
    ألا أن الماسونية الآن لا تشبه الماسونية الأصلية لأسباب متعددة
    أما في ما يخص لبنان فهؤلاء ليسوا ماسونيون أنما دمى متحركة تستعملهم الماسونية المعاصرة
    لتسيطر على أوضاع الشعوب وسياسة وأقتصاد البلدان الذين ينتمون أليها
    شكلك شربان ومكتر
    ما بقا رح جاوبك
    وين في مدارس خاصة بهم؟
    بلبنان في محافل شرعية وفي محافل غير شرعية
    ايا سيطرة عشو كيف بسيط و اذا ما بيتعاطو لا سياسة ولا اقتصاد ولا دين
    بلوما؟
     
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    شكلك شربان ومكتر
    ما بقا رح جاوبك
    وين في مدارس خاصة بهم؟
    بلبنان في محافل شرعية وفي محافل غير شرعية
    ايا سيطرة عشو كيف بسيط و اذا ما بيتعاطو لا سياسة ولا اقتصاد ولا دين
    بلوما؟
    شكلك حتى اللغة العربية ما بتعرفي تقريها
    شعوب مارقة فعلا... والله صرت أتمنّى أخلق عن جديد بس على شاكلة أنسان غبي
    ما بيعرف شي كرمال ضميري ما يعذبني
    أخخخخخخ تعتير
     
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    Freemasonry, what is it? Is it a cult, an organisation, or a collection of people looking for an ultimate truth? How do you become a Freemason? Are Freemasons opposed to religions? Do they believe in god? Do they believe in more than one god? Are they ruling the world and dictating what should and shouldn't be done, or is it just another conspiracy theory? Where did Freemasons come from? And how did they manage to keep their secrets?

    So we all know this topic has been debated on many occasions, I'm not looking for a debate about the legitimacy of Freemasons or how they're the devil's reincarnation in a group of people! I just want to know more about this topic!

    I've had many conversations with self-proclaimed Freemasons, none of which managed to really explain freemasonry! What I personally know about the subject is what I found online, through some books, many documentaries and through the conversations I've had! I do have an idea about what freemasonry is and how it should be defined, however I still find my knowledge to be lacking! Your input is welcomed as long as you keep the conversation serious, informative and within forum rules!

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    Simply brotherhoods / secret lobbies that went underground to avoid persecution from the church and practice older traditions. They're almost like the Druze of the Christian world. Their beliefs are mostly gnostic / based on the secret school of Pythagoras, but do stretch back to Buddhism and Hinduism.

    The Templars are very good people and do good in the world. Even protected religious sites like Meccah and Jerusalem during the crusades. And to this day, do their best to promote coexistence between religions and building bridges.
     
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    Just to clarify some things, I opened this thread because I'm a big fan of conspiracy theories, a secret organisation that is central to most of them is a natural point of interest. I have since lost interest in discussing freemasonry, I think they're just a bunch of old men with too much time on their hands now :p well and women since some lodges are apparently open to women :p
    Most of freemasonry lodges are social groups, yes. Most activities are eating food and going places, yes. But they are the best religions / religious groups around in terms of depth and practice of ancient religions.
     
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    Simply brotherhoods / secret lobbies that went underground to avoid persecution from the church and practice older traditions. They're almost like the Druze of the Christian world. Their beliefs are mostly gnostic / based on the secret school of Pythagoras, but do stretch back to Buddhism and Hinduism.

    The Templars are very good people and do good in the world. Even protected religious sites like Meccah and Jerusalem during the crusades. And to this day, do their best to promote coexistence between religions and building bridges.
    Man this post just reminded me about how much I used to put exclamation marks in my posts lol it really is annoying "!"

    After this thread I think it's safe to say that I don't know who and what they are. I know they like to talk about an extended history, but the first reference to them comes in the 1800s and the earliest known work is from the late middle ages around 1400
     
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    Most of freemasonry lodges are social groups, yes. Most activities are eating food and going places, yes. But they are the best religions / religious groups around in terms of depth and practice of ancient religions.
    So you think they're a religion?
     
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    So you think they're a religion?
    More like many religious lineages. But almost all fall under "Gnosticism". Knight Templars have an initiation pact which some of them have claimed is from the Druze and almost identical to it (mentioned in Entering The Chain Of Union by Timothy Hogan which mentions original source).

    I suggest starting with Timothy Hogan, who is a grandmaster to a French lodge (probably near you).
     
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    The Templars are very good people and do good in the world. Even protected religious sites like Meccah and Jerusalem during the crusades. And to this day, do their best to promote coexistence between religions and building bridges.
    nor the crusaders nor the templars reached Mecca during the crusade ... it was not possible by the means of that time
    knowing that the crusaders marched like a regular army ... one should project himself back in time before writing.
    this is not a hollywood movie ... there was no bin salman during that time to provide $$$$ for the crusaders
     
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    nor the crusaders nor the templars reached Mecca during the crusade ... it was not possible by the means of that time
    knowing that the crusaders marched like a regular army ... one should project himself back in time before writing.
    this is not a hollywood movie ... there was no bin salman during that time to provide $$$$ for the crusaders
    Refer to “The Knights Templar of the Middle East: The Hidden History of the Islamic Origins of Freemasonry”.

    Muslims allowed Templars to guard / visit their holy sites and trusted them. The Templars eventually turned on the Crusaders. And weren't really Crusaders.

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    Simply brotherhoods / secret lobbies that went underground to avoid persecution from the church and practice older traditions. They're almost like the Druze of the Christian world. Their beliefs are mostly gnostic / based on the secret school of Pythagoras, but do stretch back to Buddhism and Hinduism.

    The Templars are very good people and do good in the world. Even protected religious sites like Meccah and Jerusalem during the crusades. And to this day, do their best to promote coexistence between religions and building bridges.
    شربان ومكتر او حشيش او بتعرف ابو زهرا
     
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    So you think they're a religion?
    نو جاوبتك ع سؤاللك


    There are many false (and quite ridiculous) stories regarding Freemasonry and one that is often spread about is that Freemasonry is a religion, or worse, a secret religious sect. This could not be further from the truth, but as this misconception has been around for a while now it has become difficult to expel. So this article aims to give an understanding of where Freemasonry stands with respect to religion.




    These articles are written by W Bro Steve Froggatt PPJGD, current Chaplain of Neptune Lodge No 5150 EC. Steve was initiated into Freemasonry in 1986.


    © Copyright 2019 Al-Khabar/Stephen Froggatt all rights reserved
     
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    Refer to “The Knights Templar of the Middle East: The Hidden History of the Islamic Origins of Freemasonry”.

    Muslims allowed Templars to guard / visit their holy sites and trusted them. The Templars eventually turned on the Crusaders. And weren't really Crusaders.

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    انا براي تنتقل من مكان المجاوب الى مكان السائل لانك ما فهمان شي من شي
     
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    Refer to “The Knights Templar of the Middle East: The Hidden History of the Islamic Origins of Freemasonry”.
    Muslims allowed Templars to guard / visit their holy sites and trusted them. The Templars eventually turned on the Crusaders. And weren't really Crusaders.
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    LOOOOOOL
    1 - "Must Have" <= are two words used when "in doubt"
    "If we couldn't find what we wanted to find here, so it must be there " <= in other terms you are not sure !!
    There's no evidence of crusaders being in Arabia

    2 - Seems more like a hollywood movie to be released in 2020. Aaron <== قارون was a very wealthy merchant, not a priest

    3 - the tomb ken la3ano 7arimo el dawa3esh in the days of prophet Mohammad before the crusader idea was even born
     
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    نو جاوبتك ع سؤاللك
    There are many false (and quite ridiculous) stories regarding Freemasonry and one that is often spread about is that Freemasonry is a religion, or worse, a secret religious sect. This could not be further from the truth, but as this misconception has been around for a while now it has become difficult to expel. So this article aims to give an understanding of where Freemasonry stands with respect to religion.
    These articles are written by W Bro Steve Froggatt PPJGD, current Chaplain of Neptune Lodge No 5150 EC. Steve was initiated into Freemasonry in 1986.

    © Copyright 2019 Al-Khabar/Stephen Froggatt all rights reserved
    NO ONE HERE CLAIMED THEY WERE A RELIGION.
    why are you accusing us of believing it was a religion.
    the article you posted was referring to those who believe it was a religion .. not to us.

    in your dictionary, se3a menseer m7ashishine, se3a sekraneen ... 3ayneh, your article refers to the times after the crusade not before it.
     
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    انا براي تنتقل من مكان المجاوب الى مكان السائل لانك ما فهمان شي من شي
    Go watch any documentary about Templars and their relation with the Crusaders. And stop quoting Al-Akhbar, the Cocaine SSNP distributor.
     
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    Go watch any documentary about Templars and their relation with the Crusaders. And stop quoting Al-Akhbar, the Cocaine SSNP distributor.
    Well I prefer communicating with my fellows in the lodge... Za7it
     
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    نو جاوبتك ع سؤاللك


    There are many false (and quite ridiculous) stories regarding Freemasonry and one that is often spread about is that Freemasonry is a religion, or worse, a secret religious sect. This could not be further from the truth, but as this misconception has been around for a while now it has become difficult to expel. So this article aims to give an understanding of where Freemasonry stands with respect to religion.




    These articles are written by W Bro Steve Froggatt PPJGD, current Chaplain of Neptune Lodge No 5150 EC. Steve was initiated into Freemasonry in 1986.



    © Copyright 2019 Al-Khabar/Stephen Froggatt all rights reserved
    The article says exactly what I've been saying here. They're not a religion. But a religious lineage / fraternity.

    I was also talking about Templars, a special lineage.

    You are simply trying to spin the narrative on freemasonry because Antoun Saadeh was a Freemason. It's hilarious. But don't play your games with me.
     
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