Unprecedented development: Syria downs Israeli F16

Aoune32!

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I don't think the US or Russia will allow anything to happen to Israel.

أبلغ رئيس الوزراء الإسرائيلي بنيامين نتانياهو، خلال إتصال هاتفي، الرئيس الروسي فلاديمير بوتين أن تل أبيب لن تقبل بالتمركز الإيراني في سوريا، وستدافع عن نفسها ضد أي هجوم.

كما أجرى نتانياهو إتصالاً هاتفياً مع وزير الخارجية الأميركي ريكس تيلرسون لعرض التطورات الأخيرة.
 
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  • It wasn't only HA but thousands that came from Afghanistan to Yemen to save his sorry ass. For me I don't care. 3a2bel l 100 for the war.
    Yes sure it's was not HA alone, but HA was the closest, deployed near Lebanese borders in first stages of war.
    As for the length of war, i agree with you, and I have said that long time ago, as long as Lebanese are not dying, fekhar ykasser ba3do.
    HA, after leading and organizing many of these groups, fighting and bleeding together, have formed an immense network in which they are highly respected. Many of them will help HA should they need it. For example Yemeni anti ship missiles can block Israel's access to red sea. Combined with anti ship missiles this is enough to embargo at least all civilian and commercial shipping in and out of Israel (in case Israel does the same to Syria or Lebanon's sea ports, for example). There is no need for foreign fighters in Lebanon ;)

    In Syria now, today, there is massive recruitment and mobilization with full collusion of Syrian regime. It is bigger than that happened in Lebanon in 1982.Even posters of the Syrian regime, they resemble the HA martyrs ones in style... only difference is Syrian flag instead of yellow.

    This is happening and if Israel wants to stop it they have to initiate aggression.
     

    gramsci

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    Arabs have never built a viable, democratic state that respects the civil rights of their people, and that is strong enough to compete and innovate on the global stage. Go ahead, name one Arab country.

    That and the fact that Arabs religiously hate Jews and do not think of them as people, more like "apes and pigs".

    I can see how it's very attractive to flood Israel with millions of low IQ bums who hate Jews to death. Good luck with that...
    if u eradicate the hate ideologies from both side ..i think a civil state based on rights and civil laws is possible .. i know many jews and arabs who can come to this path ..and actually many are working .. mind u that the real founders of israel were socialist leftist ,. the kibbutzim movement , were not religious nor fascist -.
    thats the best option israelies have right now ... i agree that arabs need to go through a long path toward democracy , starting with rejecting the colonialism residuals and create their own political democratic identity ..and in this process i can't see any possibility to a colonial state called israel on the long term .
     

    Aoune32!

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    HA, after leading and organizing many of these groups, fighting and bleeding together, have formed an immense network in which they are highly respected. Many of them will help HA should they need it. For example Yemeni anti ship missiles can block Israel's access to red sea. Combined with anti ship missiles this is enough to embargo at least all civilian and commercial shipping in and out of Israel (in case Israel does the same to Syria or Lebanon's sea ports, for example). There is no need for foreign fighters in Lebanon ;)

    In Syria now, today, there is massive recruitment and mobilization with full collusion of Syrian regime. It is bigger than that happened in Lebanon in 1982.Even posters of the Syrian regime, they resemble the HA martyrs ones in style... only difference is Syrian flag instead of yellow.

    This is happening and if Israel wants to stop it they have to initiate aggression.
    Israel won't stand idle and watch the developments that are happening in Syria. They have hit tens of times during the 7 years in Syria. Israel will hit sooner or later and the war will then just be starting. unfortunately more lives are lost for a senseless war.
     
    meanwhile,

    افادت “الوكالة الوطنية للاعلام” ان احد المواطنين اللبنانيين تجاوز السياج الشائك الفاصل بين لبنان وفلسطين المحتلة عند نقطة بوابة فاطمة، وبعد اجتيازه مسافة داخل الاراضي المحتلة، أتت سيارة من نوع فان وأقلته الى الداخل.

    وعلى الفور، ضرب الجيش اللبناني والقوى الأمنية و”اليونيفيل” طوقا امنيا في المكان.

    وأظهرت التحقيقات ان المواطن الذي عبر الشريط الى فلسطين المحتلة من بوابة فاطمة هو (ع. م) من حبوش مواليد 1993، مع الإشارة الى انها المرة الثانية التي يجتاز فيها الشريط الحدودي وكان قد اعتبر في وقتها مختلا عقليا.
     
    Israel won't stand idle and watch the developments that are happening in Syria. They have hit tens of times during the 7 years in Syria. Israel will hit sooner or later and the war will then just be starting. unfortunately more lives are lost for a senseless war.
    10s of times over 7 years is nothing, practically doesn't put a dent. It is almost like Israel doing that to convince themselves they are doing something. And even that might come to an end. Natanyahu has too much to lose and is too risk averse to escalate meaningfully.
     

    Frisbeetarian

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    1) No, Israel have proposed to give Arabs as much as 95% of the land of West Bank (and to landswap the remaining 5%). Plus, there are legally binding international resolutions partitioning the area.
    Can you please indicate how many holes you'd like in that argument before I proceed?

    2) Jerusalem is the eternal capital of Israel. If Arabs don't get on board that, they can have their war.
    We rational people subscribe to the international community to dictate matters of sovereignty and borders, not god.

    3) By plane, or via prospective transnational highway guarded by IDF and subject to Israeli inspection (terrorists in Gaza may be smuggling weapons etc.).
    Yeah, no.

    4) There is a difference. Israelis do not teach their children to hate Arabs at school, the same cannot be said about Arabs where even US-funded UNRWA curricula was teaching antisemitism. Having said that, there is social stigma against Arabs in Israel due to the length of the conflict.
    Arabs hate Jews because Arabs are naturally hateful.
    Israelis hate Arabs because they endured a "lengthy conflict".

    Kay.


    Israelis rightfully assume Arabs want to kill them, and Arabs have given them no reason to think otherwise. Thus, Israeli "hate" is more like mistrust than outright hate of Arabs just for being Arabs. There is no "religious" hatred.
    Israel killed and forced 800 000 Palestinians to flee 8 months prior to the arrival of the "Arab armies" during their declaration of statehood. But yeah you can go ahead and spread more of this cookie cutter bullshit.

    Look around Israel -- all Arab nations that are either brutally ruled by a dictator, drowning in bloody conflict, or are simply poor or corrupt failed states.
    Have you actually wondered why that is besides resorting to intellectually lazy and idiotic conclusions?

    5) So why do you think it's a good idea to force Jews to live with Arabs when latter have never built a viable society, and prefer living in enemy Israel than in their own state.
    Regardless of your idiotic statement, I can't but chuckle at the comparison. Forcing? Weren't the Palestinians forced to accept millions of Polish, German and Russian citizens amidst them? Who then proceeded to declare statehood and appropriate 90% of the land that Palestinians owned previously? What an idiot...
     

    Aoune32!

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    10s of times over 7 years is nothing, practically doesn't put a dent. It is almost like Israel doing that to convince themselves they are doing something. And even that might come to an end. Natanyahu has too much to lose and is too risk averse to escalate meaningfully.
    You really believe that???? 7abibe if Israel ended what would happen to the Jarabs? They always need someone to blame. :)
    Israel is here to stay whether you or I like it or not. It wasn't built to disappear especially after Trump declaration of the capital being Jerusalem. If he thinks that Israel could be even hurt in the next war you will see the US in the war. Syria and co will be destroyed. The so called war in Syria was nothing compared to what Israel and the US can do.
     
    You really believe that???? 7abibe if Israel ended what would happen to the Jarabs? They always need someone to blame. :)
    Israel is here to stay whether you or I like it or not. It wasn't built to disappear especially after Trump declaration of the capital being Jerusalem. If he thinks that Israel could be even hurt in the next war you will see the US in the war. Syria and co will be destroyed. The so called war in Syria was nothing compared to what Israel and the US can do.
    USA can hurt if they want to use full military power. Israel isn't so scary.
    But anyway, not sure what you are talking about. No one talking about militarily attacking Israel.
    We are talking about Syria and how Syrians will proceed defending themselves from Israeli occupation and aggression.
     

    Aoune32!

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    USA can hurt if they want to use full military power. Israel isn't so scary.
    But anyway, not sure what you are talking about. No one talking about militarily attacking Israel.
    We are talking about Syria and how Syrians will proceed defending themselves from Israeli occupation and aggression.
    It wasn't Syria who defended itself. It was the Iranians building their bases in South Syria. Soon the enemy will bomb the shit out of them with the blessing of the Russians.
     
    Syria is a nice playground to test new weapons For the coming 10 years

    And some naive are still dreaming of having a contract or erchayn ndaf from an imaginary early reconstruction :)
     
    It wasn't Syria who defended itself. It was the Iranians building their bases in South Syria. Soon the enemy will bomb the shit out of them with the blessing of the Russians.
    The will of Syrian people and cooperation of the regime are both required factors for Iran help them.
    We will see what happens. Personally am sure no war under Natanyahu... another prime minister with more balls and less to lose maybe.
     

    Aoune32!

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    The will of Syrian people and cooperation of the regime are both required factors for Iran help them.
    We will see what happens. Personally am sure no war under Natanyahu... another prime minister with more balls and less to lose maybe.
    What syrian people?? Those millions who are out of the country or those who have had at least a person die in every family?
     
    The will of Syrian people and cooperation of the regime are both required factors for Iran help them.
    We will see what happens. Personally am sure no war under Natanyahu... another prime minister with more balls and less to lose maybe.
    What regime !! The Turks invaded the north
    American already there
    Israel occupy the Golan
    Iranian installing their militias and trying to change the demography in some areas
    Kurds have their mini state
    Etc

    I’m seeing a war in the summer June July .. and better for lebanon to stay out of it
     
    I’m seeing a war in the summer June July .. and better for lebanon to stay out of it
    Smells like the same wishful thinking that got people betting on war with Iran, war with HA before, etc... always betting a foreign power will come and break resistance back. Law bada tshate kenit ghayamit.

    Lebanon will stay out if it is left out. It might take as little as ONE Israeli strike inside Lebanon for Lebanese to get involved. It depends if Israelis take this seriously.
     
    What syrian people?? Those millions who are out of the country or those who have had at least a person die in every family?
    The second one mainly. The people who have lived a struggle and watched their country conspired against and destroyed. Those who remain are survivors. Like Lebanon and Gaza before them, Israel's aggression is gonna come back to bite them. Karma is a bitch indeed.
     
    Smells like the same wishful thinking that got people betting on war with Iran, war with HA before, etc... always betting a foreign power will come and break resistance back. Law bada tshate kenit ghayamit.

    Lebanon will stay out if it is left out. It might take as little as ONE Israeli strike inside Lebanon for Lebanese to get involved. It depends if Israelis take this seriously.
    Why do you have this stupid attitude ??
    Who’s wishing here - as if a war never happened before
    Can’t you see around you what’s going on? How many Israeli strikes happened in the past 2 month only ..
    how many events were about to launch a total war..
    usually Israeli launch their wars in the summer early summer between June July from Past experience

    As what’s saving lebanon so far it’s because lebanon is the only place left for refugees and if he gets involved there will be a disastrous humanitarian crisis that can be extended to Europe because nowhere safe left for Syrians to go ..
    turkey now is inside Syria mainly to push the Kurds and to close its border
     
    As what’s saving lebanon so far it’s because lebanon is the only place left for refugees and if he gets involved there will be a disastrous humanitarian crisis that can be extended to Europe because nowhere safe left for Syrians to go ..
    turkey now is inside Syria mainly to push the Kurds and to close its border
    This is true (one of the things keeping Lebanon stable), but your point is what exactly ?

    True it’s biting Assad so far
    Assad is a figurehead at this point. The battle is over the hearts and minds of the Syrian people. All Israel had to do is sit back and watch the civil war, but they couldn't manage that and are helping Iran win hearts and minds in Syria.