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US Sanctions on Lebanese politicians - Magnitsky Act [updated list in OP]

Nonan

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Try Riad Salamé as MoF and you will see the results.

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I propose that only Ashouriyin can get the MoF. Not enough of them to steal. In any case, I think there should be a constitutional amendment that forbids any Amal member or supporter from becoming minister of Finance. Heck, anyone that even smells like a potential Amal compatible minister should be banned from MoF. We'd be doing the whole world a favor.
 

TayyarBeino

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samikleib-journalist سامي كليب

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معلومات من واشنطن تشير إلى أن الموجة الثانية من العقوبات قد تشمل ٣ وزراء من طوائف مختلفة وبعضهم يتولى مسؤوليات سياسية مهمة ، ورجل دين اضافة الى شخصية سنية معروفة قد تكون المفاجأة. وبعض هؤلاء المسؤولين كانوا منذ ٢٠٠٥ ضد حزب الله، على الأقل فوق الطاولات .
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المعلومات الأميركية تؤكد أن العقوبات ستشمل أيضا مقربين من واشنطن ومن كل الطوائف تحت شعار مكافحة الفساد وليس فقط مساعدة حزب الله. ولا شك أن فرنسا على علم ببعض ما حصل ويحصل
 



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معلومات من واشنطن تشير إلى أن الموجة الثانية من العقوبات قد تشمل ٣ وزراء من طوائف مختلفة وبعضهم يتولى مسؤوليات سياسية مهمة ، ورجل دين اضافة الى شخصية سنية معروفة قد تكون المفاجأة. وبعض هؤلاء المسؤولين كانوا منذ ٢٠٠٥ ضد حزب الله، على الأقل فوق الطاولات .
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المعلومات الأميركية تؤكد أن العقوبات ستشمل أيضا مقربين من واشنطن ومن كل الطوائف تحت شعار مكافحة الفساد وليس فقط مساعدة حزب الله. ولا شك أن فرنسا على علم ببعض ما حصل ويحصل
Shinker said there will be 7 next week.

When I read this article, we feel there are a dozen at least.

وبعض هؤلاء المسؤولين كانوا منذ ٢٠٠٥ ضد حزب الله، على الأقل فوق الطاولات

This is Typically Jumblat's sneakiness and unreliability as one of the 14 March maestro. I see Ghazi el Aridi is among the lot, inchallah
 
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oldschool

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They should push for a law that confiscates all politicians assets abroad, and 50% of their assets in lebanon, or higher percentage above a certain amount. Bala Investigations bala ballout. Bala corruption w judges w akel khara.

Maalei eza rahlo kam edameh bel tari2. We can consider it the price for having failed to stop it. W theres no reason for these MPs to have these fortunes abroad anyway.
 

TayyarBeino

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تشير معلومات من واشنطن أن حزمة عقوبات جديدة ستعلن خلال أيام تطال مجموعة شخصيات سياسية لبنانية من حلفاء حزب الله ومن محسوبين على الولايات المتحدة بتهم الفساد وعرف منهم بحسب معلومات “البناء” مدير مكتب الرئيس سعد الحريري السابق وابن عمته نادر الحريري.
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Berri is the head of the snake ..

i just do not understand the idiots who are calling for a manifestation against Aoun on the 12 th september...
They are racists and prefer to burn Christians rather than getting a revolution on corruption

The whole revolution is anti Christian and this is why except few lost saouls there are no Christians in this so called revolution.

One of my best friend was a coordinator in the Thouwra and hates Bassil and Aoun. But lately she left and told me that every one inside the Thouwar are very sectarians, especially hate Aoun and his past - she has the feeling that this Thouwra was about to get revenge on Aoun and Christians in general.

No one goes after Jumblat, Berri or Hariri and every time they agree on actions it was always a fight internally to avoid touching these politicians.

It is a dirty sectarian movement half of them being Syrian refugees and the FPM will be there on the ground to counter this mascarade
 

NewLeb

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You are mixing up Christians in Europe and Christians in the Middle East. The latter complain of persecution and marginalisation. Yet, after over 500 years of Ottoman rule and over 1000 years of Muslim rule, Christians claimed to be majority in the 1932 census conducted by the French. Sounds contradictory, right? And on that basis they claimed greater powers and under the cover of the colonial power, thereby imposing themselves on the rest and the system they thought would suit their dominance.

1. Yes, there are some clear cultural and theological differences between Western and Eastern Christianity, but Middle Eastern Christians have nevertheless been more influenced and conditioned by the the cultural and philosophical norms of Europe than Muslims have.

2. Lebanon always had a sizeable Christian population, and even then, it’s not really about numbers. It’s pathetic for example that Shiite families, who make up most of Lebanon, have to send their children to Catholics schools because Muslims schools are pretty much trash. But Hezbollah isn’t fond of investing in education, is it? ;)

3. Might makes right. The Christians had the backing of technologically advanced Europe, and sensible people know when to submit to the truth. This doesn’t stop entities like Iran and Hezbollah from refusing to submit to the truth and prefer to slowly starve themselves to death because of their pride.

So imagine Jews demanding on the above basis that only a Jew should be president in America. Funny, right?

Not really, because America is a modern and secular nation where one’s religion (at least in terms of political representation) is wholly irrelevant. The Middle East is not like that, as identity itself is ultimately rooted in one’s sect.
 

Rafidi

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It looks like Mr Schenker would need to disarm "American militias" before coming to preach to us about disarming our own "militia" while trying desperately to discredit our elections and not minding the presence of these armed White thugs forming actual militias in his own country.

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Negative

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1. Yes, there are some clear cultural and theological differences between Western and Eastern Christianity, but Middle Eastern Christians have nevertheless been more influenced and conditioned by the the cultural and philosophical norms of Europe than Muslims have.

2. Lebanon always had a sizeable Christian population, and even then, it’s not really about numbers. It’s pathetic for example that Shiite families, who make up most of Lebanon, have to send their children to Catholics schools because Muslims schools are pretty much trash. But Hezbollah isn’t fond of investing in education, is it? ;)

3. Might makes right. The Christians had the backing of technologically advanced Europe, and sensible people know when to submit to the truth. This doesn’t stop entities like Iran and Hezbollah from refusing to submit to the truth and prefer to slowly starve themselves to death because of their pride.

No doubt that Christians in Lebanon have a higher intellectual status than Muslims. I just refuse to link it with the advancement of the the West. The Christians worked on themselves earlier than the Muslims. They had schools before, and fought the illiteracy in their community. All that because of the self-awareness and hard-work of the church starting from the middle of the 19th century. It wasn't due to the influence of the secular Europe. You can see that in the first generations of Christian intellectuals who were strong supporters of Arabic language and culture (even more than the Muslims of that era).

Now, we can see some Muslim communities are more influenced by the western civilization than the Lebanese Christian community, UAE, for example. That doesn't make them better necessarily.

So being influenced by the West has a marginal effect on the intellectual status of a community.
 
Abbas Ibrahim got kicked from Paris

1) France refuses to give the shiites the MoF.
2) the president won't have ministers for his own
3) no delay in the government formation

Youpi
 
No doubt that Christians in Lebanon have a higher intellectual status than Muslims. I just refuse to link it with the advancement of the the West. The Christians worked on themselves earlier than the Muslims. They had schools before, and fought the illiteracy in their community. All that because of the self-awareness and hard-work of the church starting from the middle of the 19th century. It wasn't due to the influence of the secular Europe. You can see that in the first generations of Christian intellectuals who were strong supporters of Arabic language and culture (even more than the Muslims of that era).

Now, we can see some Muslim communities are more influenced by the western civilization than the Lebanese Christian community, UAE, for example. That doesn't make them better necessarily.

So being influenced by the West has a marginal effect on the intellectual status of a community.
Muslims in Lebanon hate Jews, hate Christians, they hate Bashir Gemayel, they hate America, they hate Iranians, hate Saudis, hate everything that is not like them......and they want to eat ?

Their leaders have been milking the Christians since 1990. Now BASTA we stop pumping money in, what happens ? Muslims are below poverty line. Not huge impact on Christians but big impact on Muslims
 

Negative

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Muslims in Lebanon hate Jews, hate Christians, they hate Bashir Gemayel, they hate America, they hate Iranians, hate Saudis, hate everything that is not like them......and they want to eat ?

Their leaders have been milking the Christians since 1990. Now BASTA we stop pumping money in, what happens ? Muslims are below poverty line. Not huge impact on Christians but big impact on Muslims

You're living in Lebanon, right?!
Here in Lebanon, everybody hates everybody. Christians hate Muslims, Arabs, Iranians, Turks, and each other. Bachir is understandably hated by Muslims because there was war going on between them. But he's also hated by leftist Christians, Marada, Ahrar, and others from the Christian community. His killer was Christian ffs. So, what's the point?

From 1990 Lebanon was living on the gulf states' money. Mainly in exchange for services like tourism, banking, and trade. And there was also relief money donated by the said states. So, basically -using your logic- Muslims money.

It's not about Christian/Muslim duality (or polarity, excuse my poor English). It's just propaganda made by far-right politicians in both sides to gain popularity within sheep in their communities. Money has no religion. It was always business and politics. You can see now that the most trusted ally to Saudi Arabia is Christian, and the most trusted ally to France is Sunni.
 
Let's say that Gebran Bassil and Sleiman Frangieh were personally getting splashed by the sanctions they will be naturally out of the race for presidency. Although I think they already are.

Riad Salameh is out of the race since 17 October. He stinks corruption and monetary and financial manipulation for the sake of preserving the wealth of the most corrupt.

Samir Geagea, although I love the dude a lot, won't be president, as he won't get Shiite consent.

Samy Gemayel won't get shiite votes either.

We're left with :1) Joseph Aoun, 2) a nobody such as Jean Obeid 3) a tier two or tier three za3im such as Farid Haykal el Khazen.

Why 1) Joseph Aoun cannot be president?

Lebanese Army , such as Lebanese banks, are always pro US. Hence Shiaa duo won't accept him. Joseph Aoun is for them another Michel Sleiman.
Besides, Joseph Aoun is Army Chief. The last 3 presidents were all Army Chief. Bi kaffeh 3askar, people will say.
He is doing a good job as Army Chief.

2) a nobody such as Jean Obeid.

He is Not backed by any Christian party, and is not popular enough. He is MP today thanks to Miqati's Azm votes. Hence his chances are very low.
Sunnis would love to have him as president, but not the Christians.

3) Tier two or tier three za3im

This category contain diverse personalities such as Efrem, Mouawad, Farid Haykal el Khazen.

Why the first two cannot be president.

Mouawad falls under the same category of Geagea and Gemayel: no shia consent. Besides he is a turncoat and an opportunist. He sides with FPM when it suits him, and then spits on the soup when the situation gets a bit rough. Not reliable at all.

Efrem also is an opportunist. He sides with FPM when it suits him, and then turns his back, when things gets nasty.

The only person left, in my opinion is Farid Haykal el Khazen.

All parties in lebanon (except FPM) likes him:

He is in excellent terms with Frangieh, with Berri, and by extension HA, Jumblat considers him as part of his own family due to the very close relationship between the El Khazen family and druze families since Emir Fakhreddine to date. Geagea likes him too, as he was key in the reconciliation between Marada and LF. Batrak has no problem with him. Kataeb were allied to him during all elections.

He is not a nobody, as he is popular in Kesrwan and Jbeil.

In conclusion, all would want him as president, except FPM who is now very weak in terms of popularity , or at least not the strongest Christian party.
 
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