veganism and what people think of it

morpheus_

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The environment argument doesn't hold though. If everyone stopped eating meat, we'd have to cut more forests to have more agricultural space to grow crops.

There is nothing wrong with eating meat. The problem is that we eat too much of it, and the animals get mistreated in the process. There are more humane ways to produce meat.
So we let them run, make friends, have kids and suddenly mum is gone oh she went up there's no humane ways for killing another being who wants to live like me and you and like every being on this ****ed up planet
 

Sayyid Muki

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The environment argument doesn't hold though. If everyone stopped eating meat, we'd have to cut more forests to have more agricultural space to grow crops.

"If everyone stops eating meat" is a pointless hypothetical because there is no chance of it ever happening. It is too much of an extreme to even consider.

However, no, the environmental argument is solid because currently space is needed for livestock feed and for housing livestock/factories. Eliminate large farms and you reduce space by half.

Furthermore, environmental argument is much more nuanced than a problem of area. Impact of cows alone on the environment is enough to consider making changes to your diet, that is if you wanted to reduce your ecological footprint.

To me, it's not about eating or not eating meat. In my previous post, I described how it's possible to eat meat and have less environmental impact than some vegan diets.
 

Sayyid Muki

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So we let them run, make friends, have kids and suddenly mum is gone oh she went up there's no humane ways for killing another being who wants to live like me and you and like every being on this ****ed up planet

If wolves can hunt deer in the wild and it's OK, why can't we? We are animals, after all.
 

morpheus_

New Member
If wolves can hunt deer in the wild and it's OK, why can't we? We are animals, after all.
Well wen they removed wolves from yellowstone animal park in the US the foall the eco system has collapsed
If you ask me more deeply i really believe that humans are aliens here we just dont fit and we do harm more than we do good to this planet
Watch this
 

Jo

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Master Penguin
lol

WTF is happening in this thread? Started with veganism and now you're eating each other.
 

Indie

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Im a big hairy man who eat steamed vegetables with beer and watch kinky porn

May I "friendily" suggest that you extend your compassion of animals to your fellow human beings and not support an industry that degrades and takes advantage of people? :)
 

Indie

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So we let them run, make friends, have kids and suddenly mum is gone oh she went up there's no humane ways for killing another being who wants to live like me and you and like every being on this ****ed up planet

Well...if they were in the wild, the same thing would happen, except it would be another animal predator, and the latter would not have a humane way of killing its prey.

Anyway...I feel the same as you. I don't like the idea of animals being killed so I can eat. At the same time, I try to put my personal feelings aside when looking at an issue. People who don't feel like me can also have valid points.
 

morpheus_

New Member
Well...if they were in the wild, the same thing would happen, except it would be another animal predator, and the latter would not have a humane way of killing its prey.

Anyway...I feel the same as you. I don't like the idea of animals being killed so I can eat. At the same time, I try to put my personal feelings aside when looking at an issue. People who don't feel like me can also have valid points.
Honestly I'm not here to Preach people and to make them convert to veganism
I only wanted to see how people would react over this subject
 

Indie

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Honestly I'm not here to Preach people and to make them convert to veganism
I only wanted to see how people would react over this subject

I didn't get the feeling you are preaching. Feel free to post what you want to discuss. You will always have people who agree, disagree, and those in the middle. It's part of the forum dynamics :)

We are an opinionated bunch and things get heated sometimes. That shouldn't scare you off :)
 

Ralph N

Well-Known Member
Well wen they removed wolves from yellowstone animal park in the US the foall the eco system has collapsed
If you ask me more deeply i really believe that humans are aliens here we just dont fit and we do harm more than we do good to this planet
Watch this


Man the best beast the most selfish and arrogant being God created.. I wonder how funny it would be when Aliens come and claim us as food...lol.. it would be real fun to watch it...
Where is the compassion religion talks about why someone must die so that someone lives.. why animals bleed yet we eat them.. I was touched...your right Morpheus... hope you have the courage to remain a vegan...

I wonder how some who are smart dont look more then their nose... for a chicken the best life is a chicken life... for a cow its the cows life for humans its human... but Nah.. GOD Created animals so that we eat them... same God created some aliens so that one they they eat us... or animals like lion or tiger eat us... clearly there is a missing point out there.. we should really look into it....
 

Isabella

The queen of "Bazella"
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@Muki @Isabella

Sustainability is a multi-factor issue. It can't be reduced to one, clear-cut argument. There is a lot to take into consideration. This article gives some examples. You can find more on the subject online.

Is a vegetarian diet really more environmentally friendly than eating meat?

Muki never made the argument that a vegan diet is more environmentally friendly than eating meat, if you go back to his original post he made the opposite point of view...

The posts that were made in this thread by me and muki after were in response to your criticism of the environmental argument to vegan diets saying that if people decide to stop eating meat we need more agricultural areas, replies were that that is already the case as more and more forests are being cut down to make space for agricultural areas to feed livestock! You are underestimating the impact cows alone have on the environment! They emit more greenhouse gases than all cars on the planet combined, they also drink more water than all other humans combined, not to mention the deforestation happening so that they can be fed and the deplorable conditions in which they live!

By sheer numbers alone cows and poultry are putting an enormous strain on the planet... We need to actually reduce this impact, this is where going vegan can help
 

Indie

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Muki never made the argument that a vegan diet is more environmentally friendly than eating meat, if you go back to his original post he made the opposite point of view...

The posts that were made in this thread by me and muki after were in response to your criticism of the environmental argument to vegan diets saying that if people decide to stop eating meat we need more agricultural areas, replies were that that is already the case as more and more forests are being cut down to make space for agricultural areas to feed livestock! You are underestimating the impact cows alone have on the environment! They emit more greenhouse gases than all cars on the planet combined, they also drink more water than all other humans combined, not to mention the deforestation happening so that they can be fed and the deplorable conditions in which they live!

By sheer numbers alone cows and poultry are putting an enormous strain on the planet... We need to actually reduce this impact, this is where going vegan can help

Right, and if you read the article, you will see that forests are also being cut down for the sake of crops and rice also produces a lot of greehouse gas, etc.

As I said, sustainability is more complicated than people make it out to be.
 

Isabella

The queen of "Bazella"
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Right, and if you read the article, you will see that forests are also being cut down for the sake of crops and rice also produces a lot of greehouse gas, etc.

As I said, sustainability is more complicated than people make it out to be.

Once again indie you are underestimating the impact livestock has on the environment, it's not at all limited to deforestation, greenhouse gases are a big factor, waste and water as well... We need to be aware as human beings that the planet can no longer sustain our way of life, so something needs to change! We should at least be promoting that meat consumption be done in moderation.

Anyway I think we're at a point now where you just want to have the opposite pov of something I said so I think it's safe to call it a day and go get something to eat :)
 

Indie

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Once again indie you are underestimating the impact livestock has on the environment, it's not at all limited to deforestation, greenhouse gases are a big factor, waste and water as well... We need to be aware as human beings that the planet can no longer sustain our way of life, so something needs to change! We should at least be promoting that meat consumption be done in moderation.

Anyway I think we're at a point now where you just want to have the opposite pov of something I said so I think it's safe to call it a day and go get something to eat :)

I never denied the impact of livestock on the environment. I only said that everyone turning vegetarian would not necessarily improve sustainability, because crops also have their issues.

The last paragraph applies to you, in fact. And it's quite amusing that you're trying to teach me about the environmental impact of livestock when I was a vegetarian for years.

But this is what you do: misrepresent my claims, and attempt to teach me things I used to say for years as if they are some novelty.
 
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