Welcome Back Lebanese detained in Israel

nova_flush

Active Member
منذ مسرحية "حالات" التي شاهدناها منذ بضعة أشهر بدأت أشكّ بوجود هؤولاء المفقودين في السجون السورية، أنا أعتقد أنه يجب مساءلة جعجع وجنبلاط وبقية الميليشيات التي ساندت الإجتياح السوري للبنان في 13 تشرين 1990 والتي شاركت في أعمال الخطف أثناء الحرب الأهلية عن مصير هؤولاء المفقودين والمخطوفين

بالعودة إلى الموضوع هذه خطوة مهمة باتجاه تحقيق أهداف المقاومة واستعادة أسرانا وحقوقنا، شكراً يا سيد حسن نصرالله... حقاً إدا قالَ فعَل



blame whoever you want for the Lebanese detainees in Syria, the fact stays that we have brothers trapped in Syria who's destiny is unknown. I am not here to debate the Lebanese civil war with you once again, I am simply wishing their return since they only fought for what they thought was right.
 

Jerry

Well-Known Member
According to "Der Spiegel" , german agents of the german secret service BND were behind the deal between Israel and Hizballah.
The article to be found in german here
 

Ana

Active Member
This thread will definitely not grow considerable given the fact that HA does not leak any information about those deals!
 

Ana3arabi!

Member
Are the two israelis captured dead? ive been told they are?
we won't be able to guess that unless the lines of the deal become clearer... if there are also a number of Palestinians to be released and/or minefield /cluster bomb maps handed over then i would say they are probably alive . however , if it's only an exchange then i say they are dead ...! but at this point it can be either , because let us not forget that HA also has body parts for exchange , so let us say the 7 Leb prisoners for the 2 dead soldiers and the body parts for the body parts of HA fighters , or if the 2 are alive , then 7 Leb prisoners + some maps (minimum!) for 2 live soldiers and the body parts in exchange for body parts.. who knows! i doubt that if they are alive HA would give in to something as small as the release of 7 prisoners only!
 

Lebanesegirl

Active Member
we won't be able to guess that unless the lines of the deal become clearer... if there are also a number of Palestinians to be released and/or minefield /cluster bomb maps handed over then i would say they are probably alive . however , if it's only an exchange then i say they are dead ...! but at this point it can be either , because let us not forget that HA also has body parts for exchange , so let us say the 7 Leb prisoners for the 2 dead soldiers and the body parts for the body parts of HA fighters , or if the 2 are alive , then 7 Leb prisoners + some maps (minimum!) for 2 live soldiers and the body parts in exchange for body parts.. who knows! i doubt that if they are alive HA would give in to something as small as the release of 7 prisoners only!

how many Lebanese prisoners does Israel have?
 

Ana3arabi!

Member
how many Lebanese prisoners does Israel have?
7 prisoners. 4 of them were captured in 2006 war ..
Also the remains of HA fighters . not sure how many , but they're saying 10 are going to be part of the exchange , and i don't think HA would accept that any would be left behind because this will be the last time such a deal will take place !
 

Ana3arabi!

Member
OK , here is a comprehensive list of the Lebanese detainees and the names of the fighters whose remains Israel holds :

Prisoners:
1. Samir Quntar -- detained since 1979
2. Yehya Skaff -- detained since 1978. He is from Minniye in North Lebanon. Israel denies he is detained in Israel but there is evidence that he is.
3. Nassim Nisr -- from Bazouriye (!) will be released this Sunday !
4. Mohammad Farran -- went missing at sea in November 2005 and there is evidence that he was taken by Israelis but Israel denies this.

July 2006 prisoners:

1. Maher Kourani -- 26 years old , from Yater
2. Hussein Suleiman -- 22 years old , he's the guy whom the Israelis had on TV as propaganda, claiming he took part in the capture of the 2 soldiers
3. Muhammad Srour -- 20 years old , from Aita al-Sha'ab
4. Khodor Zeidan -- from Marwaniye

The remains of HA Martyrs from July 2006:

1. Mussa Khanafer -- 28 years old from Ainata (Martyred in the Sadd area)
2. Zaid Haidar -- 24 years old from Ainata (Martyred in the clashes on July 24 on the Ainata-Bint Jbeil-Maroun al-Ras-Aitaroun front also known as the murabba3 al ta7rir)
3. Marwan Samhat -- 21 years old from Ainata (also Martyred on the murabba3 al ta7rir)
4. Ali Wizwaz -- 32 years old from Maiss el Jabal (Martyred in Maroun al Ras )
5. Muhammad Dimashq aka "Jawad Aita" -- 27 years old from Aita al Jabal, (Martyred in Maroun al Ras) his daughter was born after he was Martyred...
6. Mussa Faris -- 27 years old from Maroun al-Ras , was injured on 22 July but died on July 23 .

Missing:
1. Hilal Alawiye -- from Arnoun , considered 'missing' in other words status unknown whether he was alive or dead
2. Hassan Karnib -- he is a university student who went missing on 23 July
 

Dalzi

Legendary Member
blame whoever you want for the Lebanese detainees in Syria, the fact stays that we have brothers trapped in Syria who's destiny is unknown. I am not here to debate the Lebanese civil war with you once again, I am simply wishing their return since they only fought for what they thought was right.
I agree.

7 prisoners. 4 of them were captured in 2006 war ..
Also the remains of HA fighters . not sure how many , but they're saying 10 are going to be part of the exchange , and i don't think HA would accept that any would be left behind because this will be the last time such a deal will take place !
Don't tell me that this isn't going to be the final exchange procedure! Israel likes to play dirty, so HA should only agree if ALL we have there is returned whether alive or dead or missing.
 

Ana3arabi!

Member


وجهت "اللجنة الوطنية للأسرى والمفقودين الأردنيين في المعتقلات الصهيونية" أمس رسالة الى امين عام حزب الله حسن نصرالله ناشدته فيها السعي للافراج عن الاسرى الاردنيين في السجون الاسرائيلية.
وهنأ مقرر اللجنة المهندس ميسرة ملص في الرسالة أمين عام حزب الله اللبناني بمناسبة عيد المقاومة والتحرير الثامن الذي صادف يوم الأحد الماضي، وانتخاب العماد ميشيل سليمان رئيساً للبنان "تتويجا لاتفاق لبناني داخلي يحمي المقاومة وسلاحها".
وقال ملص ان "اللجنة على يقين بأن المقاومة التي جسدت مشروع الأمة الجهادي والمقاوم، وكسرت هيبة الجيش (الإسرائيلي) الذي لا يقهر (زعما) لقادرة على تحرير الأسرى العرب ومنهم الأسرى الأردنيون".
وأوضح في الرسالة ان هناك سبعة وعشرين أسيرا وخمسة وعشرين مفقودا اردنيا في المعتقلات الاسرائيلية يأملون من "المقاومة اللبنانية وسيدها إعادة الفرحة إليهم بتحريرهم من اسر المحتل الغاصب".
واعتبر ان اطلاق سراح الاسرى الاردنيين في المعتقلات الاسرائيلية "فرصة عملية للمقاومة اللبنانية للرد على جميع مشاريع الفتنة المذهبية والطائفية والعنصرية التي يروج لها في سبيل إضعاف هذه الأمة ونهب مقدراتها".
وقال ان المقاومة اللبنانية اعلنت أمس "وحدة المصير لمشروع المقاومة العربية الاسلامية في لبنان وفلسطين والعراق وها هي تسعى في اليوم اللاحق للافراج عن ابنائها الاسرى (كل الاسرى) في الوطن العربي الكبير".
وذكر ملص أن هذه الرسالة جاءت بعد اعلان حزب الله في احتفال الضاحية الجنوبية أول من أمس بمناسبة العيد الثامن للمقاومة والتحرير بقرب تحرير عميد الأسرى اللبنانيين سمير القنطار وزملائه الاسرى في المعتقلات الاسرائيلية.
 

Ana3arabi!

Member
Don't tell me that this isn't going to be the final exchange procedure! Israel likes to play dirty, so HA should only agree if ALL we have there is returned whether alive or dead or missing.
Don't worry, all will be back , dead or alive or missing. I am sure it will also include many Palestinians + Jordanians. For 3 dead soldiers and no war we got a great many prisoners and bodies of Martyrs , let alone in return for 2 soldiers (possibly alive) and after a war that killed 1200 civilians and caused so much damage. Not everything is announced in such cases , usually as a mutual agreement to keep it hidden because of public opinion (on the Israeli side of course) . In fact , even in return for the HA silence at this point on the number of Palestinians, etc. to be released , HA might get something ! :)
 

Ana3arabi!

Member
Ya dalzi , keep in mind that Olmeert is in a bad position domestically and there is no better time than now to strike this deal , he will do anything to get some credibility & be the one to have brought the soldiers home ... :)
 

emotion

Member
Not everything is announced in such cases , usually as a mutual agreement to keep it hidden because of public opinion (on the Israeli side of course) . In fact , even in return for the HA silence at this point on the number of Palestinians, etc. to be released , HA might get something ! :)

Can they really hide something like that? The freed prisoners do have families and relatives. Don't you think it will eventually spread through the media?
 

Ana3arabi!

Member
Can they really hide something like that? The freed prisoners do have families and relatives. Don't you think it will eventually spread through the media?
i am not talking about after the release but before the release of prisoners (this is what I said: "HA silence at this point" ) ! the intention is to keep the pressure off olmert domestically . when the deal is finalized & the exchange is carried out , there is nothing the people can do , it's a done deal , a fait accomplis..
 

>Watani<

أكبر من أن يُبلعْ وأصغر من أن يقسّم
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Shabeb el tayyar saro 3am b zeydo 3layna b m7abbit el Sayyed :)))

يا للعجب من هذه المقولة، فإن كنت تعرفين أن لسماحة السيد شعبيّة كبيرة في إسرائيل فكيف تتسآلين عن مناصري التيار الوطني الحرّ بالتحديد وهم من الذين قاوموا احتلال واضهدوا وضحوا كثيرا ً من أجل لبنان السيدّ الحرّ المستقل


أهلا ً بعودتك يا نصير إلى ربوع الوطن وشكرا ً لمقاومتك العدوّ من أجل أن يتحررّ الوطن
 

emotion

Member
i am not talking about after the release but before the release of prisoners (this is what I said: "HA silence at this point" ) ! the intention is to keep the pressure off olmert domestically . when the deal is finalized & the exchange is carried out , there is nothing the people can do , it's a done deal , a fait accomplis..

Ok. Halla2 fhemet 3alek. Let's hope for the best. If HA manages to free palestinians and jordanians it would be a great victory!
 

just-for-you

Active Member
The names of our prisoners:

Samir Quntar - in a month?
Nassim Nisr - next Sunday

In a month also ??
Yehya Skaff
Hussein Ali Sleiman
Khodor Ahmad Zeidan
Muhammad Abd el Hamid Srour
Maher Hassan Kourani

للأسف هناك معلومات تتحدث أن يحيى سكاف توفي بعد العملية وهو مدفون في مكان ما ، وحتى الإسرائليين مضيعين وين هي الجثة وأين دفنت لهذا كانوا دائما في المفاوضات السابقة ينكرون وجوده
 

Tanios

New Member
3a 2bel the families in israel and prisoners in syria (and thats not to diminish the return of the israel prisoners)

On a related note, you cant help but admire what level hezballah has reached.

Nassralla said the prisoners wont return unless a swap occurs, and israel laffit w baramit and there it is swapping prisoners.

Like it or not, hezballah has reached an astonishing level.

I sincerely hope all the prisoners will return.

But let's not forget the 1000 victims the kidnapping of the 2 israeli soldiers caused in Lebanon...

You say "Nassralla said the prisoners wont return unless a swap occurs" don't forget that the other solution : direct negociation with Israel has never been tried!

have a look at today's:
"Hoballah défend le discours de Nasrallah

Le député membre du Bloc de la Résistance Hassan Hoballah a rejeté les critiques adressées au discours du secrétaire général du Hezbollah. Selon lui, ce dernier a surtout essayé de consolider l’accord de Doha pour éviter un retour à la situation qui prévalait avant cet accord.
ةvoquant le paragraphe du discours d’investiture sur la Résistance, Hoballah a estimé qu’il s’agissait d’une description de la situation, ajoutant que la décision sur l’adoption d’une stratégie de la défense ne peut être prise sans tenir compte de la présence du Hezbollah.
Hoballah a ensuite considéré les négociations syro-israéliennes comme une question interne à la Syrie. Il a aussi exprimé son opposition à toute négociation directe ou indirecte avec Israël au sujet des fermes de Chebaa. "
 

NewB

Legendary Member
I sincerely hope all the prisoners will return.

But let's not forget the 1000 victims the kidnapping of the 2 israeli soldiers caused in Lebanon...

You say "Nassralla said the prisoners wont return unless a swap occurs" don't forget that the other solution : direct negociation with Israel has never been tried!

direct negotiation will never happen because israel won't approve of it. indirect negotiations did happen prior to the first swap but it didn't get very far. negotiations were supposed to take place after over kuntar but that didn't lead anywhere either. hezbollah had no choice but to capture 2 israeli soldeirs and swap them. 1000 victims was not the direct result of the kidnapping. if israelis admit everyday that they were planning a war against hezbollah then it was inevitable to a certain extent.
 
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