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western vision towards FPM

orange infection

Active Member
hi , read this article from the economist
u'll find some really bizarre things
i know we have issues with the west , but there's some very clear facts that the west ignore ........
isn't FPM responsible for the missunderstanding ???
did we ignore the west too much and didn't try to explain our point of view ??

check this article and take a look at the red part

click for the source

The curious political position of Lebanon's christians

Michel Aoun, the self-proclaimed political leader of Lebanon's Christians, has been accorded a welcome befitting royalty during a five-day visit to Syria. The Syrian president, Bashar al-Assad, whose father ordered his air force to bomb Mr Aoun out of the Lebanese presidential palace in October 1990, lent one of the handful of serviceable planes in the Syrian Arab Airlines fleet to fly the Lebanese politician to Damascus, and was on hand to welcome him on his arrival on December 3rd.

Mr Aoun has been happy to use the visit to bolster his credentials as a statesman creating a new basis for Syrian-Lebanese relations—he modestly compared his meeting with Mr Assad to that of Charles de Gaulle and Konrad Adenauer in 1958. Mr Assad has his eye on the Lebanese parliamentary elections, pinning his hopes on Mr Aoun to play his part in breaking the current majority held by the March 14th bloc, led by Saad al-Hariri. However, Mr Aoun runs the risk of being seen to be too close to Assad, while the Syrian leader, in lavishing such attention on a party leader, could be viewed as undermining the position of the Lebanese president, Michel Suleiman, as well as interfering in another country's electoral process.


Comeback

Mr Aoun formed his Free Patriotic Movement (FPM) in 2005 after his return from exile in France, where he had been granted asylum after his ouster by Syrian forces 15 years previously. He had first come to prominence in the 1980s as commander of the Lebanese army and as a fierce opponent of the Syrian military presence in the country. (He assumed the role of acting president during the power vacuum that followed the end of Amin Gemayel's term in 1988.)

After Syrian troops left in the wake of the assassination of Rafiq al-Hariri, a former prime minister and the architect of Lebanon's post-war reconstruction, in February 2005, Mr Aoun put himself forward as a reforming politician, challenging the structures that Mr Hariri had established as part of a Saudi-brokered post-war settlement. Mr Aoun collaborated closely with Hizbullah, the dominant Shia political force in Lebanon, in the 2005 election, and his list, comprising the FPM and some Christian allies, won 21 of the 128 seats, giving him a solid platform in parliament. He has since strengthened his ties to Hizbullah through drawing up proposals for the eventual integration of the group's weapons into the state's armed forces, an initiative that in practice helped to legitimise Hizbullah's military arm as he also recognised the central role that the group played in resisting Israel.

Mr Assad has been happy to bask in the reflected glory of Mr Aoun, both as a champion of the Lebanese resistance and as a popular Christian leader. During his visit to Syria, Mr Aoun visited a number of churches and monasteries (as well as the Umayyad Mosque in Damascus), thereby underlining the point that Syria cherishes its own Christian minorities and is a model of religious tolerance.

Pay-off

The welcome provided by Mr Assad to Mr Aoun (and to other recent Lebanese visitors to Damascus, including the army commander, General Jean Qahwaji) has been in stark contrast to his approach to March 14th, a Sunni Muslim-dominated bloc, including Christian rivals to Mr Aoun and the Druze leader, Walid Jumblatt. Mr Assad has accused Mr Hariri's Future Movement of complicity in terrorist attacks within Syria, and the Syrian media has maintained a torrent of hostile comment towards Saudi Arabia, Mr Hariri's strongest regional ally.

Mr Assad decided in October to approve the establishment of formal diplomatic relations with Lebanon for the first time, a move that was heartily applauded by France, which has adopted a markedly more friendly policy towards Syria since Nicolas Sarkozy became president. However, several highly sensitive issues in the two countries' relations remain to be resolved, notably the demarcation and securing of the border, logistical supplies from Syria and Iran to Hizbullah and the international tribunal that has been set up to try those suspected of involvement in Mr Hariri's assassination and in a series of subsequent political killings.

It is clear that Mr Assad would be much more comfortable addressing these issues with a Lebanese government in which his local allies held the balance of power. That is why he is devoting so much effort to cultivating these allies and in seeking to undermine March 14th.
 

dodzi

Legendary Member
hi , read this article from the economist
u'll find some really bizarre things
i know we have issues with the west , but there's some very clear facts that the west ignore ........
isn't FPM responsible for the missunderstanding ???
did we ignore the west too much and didn't try to explain our point of view ??

check this article and take a look at the red part

click for the source

Why is FPM responsible for this misunderstanding? Attacking the quadripartite alliance was one of the most reoccurring leitmotiv of FPM!

This journalist would next say that FPM and Hezbollah fought together against Israel, or that Michel Aoun is equally responsible for the death of the Marines in the 80's, or that FPM conspired with Bashar in the killing of Hariri...

Should we make a press conference every time a journalist makes stupid assumptions?
 

hiptanaka

Well-Known Member
hi , read this article from the economist
u'll find some really bizarre things
i know we have issues with the west , but there's some very clear facts that the west ignore ........
isn't FPM responsible for the missunderstanding ???
did we ignore the west too much and didn't try to explain our point of view ??

check this article and take a look at the red part

click for the source

forum members around here have mentioned this numerous times, but its worth mentioning again: everyone and their mother is against FPM and the rest of the opposition, whether the West, the Europeans, or the Arabs. no FPM did not ignore the west but it refuses to blindly acquiesce to their vision of Lebanon: having substandard armed forces to ensure continued Israeli military supremacy, abiding by half-a$$ed accords like the Taif, settling the Palestinians to get them off Israel's back, etc. if any of the aforementioned constitutes the "misunderstanding" with the west so be it. as long as their vision of Lebanon is formulated in the context of Israel's benefit, this misunderstanding will always persist.
 

Reaganite

New Member
These guys are really delusional.



Very, very delusional. You'll have to excuse them for this slight mistake. :wink:
 

orange infection

Active Member
Mr Aoun collaborated closely with Hizbullah, the dominant Shia political force in Lebanon, in the 2005 election, and his list, comprising the FPM and some Christian allies, won 21 of the 128 seats, giving him a solid platform in parliament

eno walaw ???
lol
how can they make suck mistake
it's like saying that michel aoun ruled lebanon 18 years and rafi2 el 7ariri was exiled in france .......
 

Elvis left the building

Legendary Member
These guys are really delusional.



Very, very delusional. You'll have to excuse them for this slight mistake. :wink:

dude, u'r just too smart to notice that brandishing an out of context picture makes u look as cool as an a gibbering illiterate genius.

yes yes, the economist article was very very accurate about the fpm/hizb alliance during the 2005 elections.

plus, in 2006 lebanon clearly was defeated for beating the **** out of the invading idf troops. so u are really thuper cool for trying to be a great cynic copycating the stupidity of the Economist itself with their out of context front cover.

ya allah shou fi ness izkeyah bi hal 3alam. u proved a point alright..
 

Marquis de Sade

New Member
Western vision to FPM should be measured by the number of visits and meetings that FPM is obtaining with top Western officials... none.

I would be interested to see if FPM could arrange any Western visit or meeting at all :msncool:
 

Elvis left the building

Legendary Member
Western vision to FPM should be measured by the number of visits and meetings that FPM is obtaining with top Western officials... none.

I would be interested to see if FPM could arrange any Western visit or meeting at all :msncool:

it would be very interesting indeed to see if any equal head-to-head meeting can be arranged with western powers that already have great slaves here doing their bidding blindly 3a shakil that nassib la7oud saudi traitor hero of urs.
 

leb-wi-noss

Legendary Member
Western vision to FPM should be measured by the number of visits and meetings that FPM is obtaining with top Western officials... none.

I would be interested to see if FPM could arrange any Western visit or meeting at all :msncool:

I'm sure they can. Hugo Chavez (friend of Najad and Bashar) won't mind receiving Aoun. Isn't Venezuela in the west?
Back to the topic!
Nobody heard the statement by Aoun few days ago saying, I'm part of the Middle East conflict? Instead of bringing HA to the middle, after the MoU, we hear Naim Kassem insisting to liberate whole Palestine and Aoun taking FPM and "The Christians of the East" to the Irano-Israeli conflict.
And as a conclusion, we have to blame the Economist journalist. What a schmuck!
 

terror

Well-Known Member
The Economist is an excellent magazine, in my opinion.
I think it's just a mistake, it happens.
 

leb-wi-noss

Legendary Member
The Economist is an excellent magazine, in my opinion.
I think it's just a mistake, it happens.

This is not a piece of news that they are reporting to say it's a mistake.
It's an analysis and the opinion of a journalist, maybe the magazine or some politicians in the west.
 

terror

Well-Known Member
This is not a piece of news that they are reporting to say it's a mistake.
It's an analysis and the opinion of a journalist, maybe the magazine or some politicians in the west.

I don't think so. It said Aoun "collaborated closely" with Hezbollah. That doesn't necessarily mean they were secretly collaborating.

Chances are, he thought they were allies back then. Who knows.
 

lephenix

Active Member
Why non body answer n comment this article...... I wanna by im not very good in english..... We dont have persons in tayyar english speaking they can comment this article.....
 

Danny Z

Legendary Member
This is not a piece of news that they are reporting to say it's a mistake.
It's an analysis and the opinion of a journalist, maybe the magazine or some politicians in the west.

It is an anaylsis that Aoun collaborated with Hezbolla during the election ma hek? it is also an opinion that 14 az3ar you worship collaborated with Syrian before they withdrew right? It is also an analysis that those 14 az3ar are the ones who threw syria out ma hek? ya3ni you deny facts and call them analysis.
Based on my analysis of your analysis of the analysis of the economist, we should analyze your brain to understand if stupidity is genetic.
 

leb-wi-noss

Legendary Member
It is an anaylsis that Aoun collaborated with Hezbolla during the election ma hek? it is also an opinion that 14 az3ar you worship collaborated with Syrian before they withdrew right? It is also an analysis that those 14 az3ar are the ones who threw syria out ma hek? ya3ni you deny facts and call them analysis.
Based on my analysis of your analysis of the analysis of the economist, we should analyze your brain to understand if stupidity is genetic.

That's what you are good at. Personal attacks when you have no answer.

Humans, and journalists in particular they refer to events happening nowadays. Economist is not a history book. Yesterday Hariri and Jumblat were Syrian agents. Now Aoun took the crown from them and bypassed Wi'am Wahab.
 

LebDocNCali

Active Member
I do agree that it was a mistake, journalists are humans and can make mistakes.
However,
Yesterday Hariri and Jumblat were Syrian agents. Now Aoun took the crown from them and bypassed Wi'am Wahab.
That's incorrect, Hariri and Jumblat took orders from the Syrian regime and acted against the benefit of Lebanon, in any civilized country they can be persecuted for National Treason punishable by capital punishment. Michel Aoun just went and met the president of a neighboring country.
There is a big difference between collaborator with the enemy when they are occupying your country and the leader of the Independence movement visiting his previous enemy. Huge difference between Pétain and De Gaulle.
 

leb-wi-noss

Legendary Member
I do agree that it was a mistake, journalists are humans and can make mistakes.
However,
That's incorrect, Hariri and Jumblat took orders from the Syrian regime and acted against the benefit of Lebanon, in any civilized country they can be persecuted for National Treason punishable by capital punishment. Michel Aoun just went and met the president of a neighboring country.
There is a big difference between collaborator with the enemy when they are occupying your country and the leader of the Independence movement visiting his previous enemy. Huge difference between Pétain and De Gaulle.

Neighboring country?
Isn't that country the same country Jumblat and Hariri were taking orders from? (It's smart to ingore HA, Berri, Frangieh and the rest of the gang)
So after being kicked out of Lebanon, Syria now wants the best for Lebanon?
Did Aoun visit it because:
-Passing weapons to HA to attack Israel from Lebanon to liberate Syrian occupied land, is a benefit to Lebanon?
-Protecting Palestinian military bases on the borders of Lebanon by Syria, is of any benefit to Lebanon?
The enemy is still the enemy. Else, why we are still with war with Israel and we don't go and visit them since they left our country? Shouldn't we get over the past with Israel too?
 

Danny Z

Legendary Member
That's what you are good at. Personal attacks when you have no answer.

Humans, and journalists in particular they refer to events happening nowadays. Economist is not a history book. Yesterday Hariri and Jumblat were Syrian agents. Now Aoun took the crown from them and bypassed Wi'am Wahab.

it is not a personal attack stupid is a description that fits you or maybe lier is better, where did you see Aoun collaborate closely with hezbolla during the election, so you can call it analysis, since when a fact is an analysis?
walla sar el mahboul baddou yetfalsaf
 
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