Whats the difference between Hisbullah and its detractors?

Red Phoenix

Red Phoenix

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Please enlighten us

Since 2005 i have been baffled by the people attacking hisbullah, because for me they are much like it

So is there really a big difference? or its just a matter of flavor we choose when we wake up in the morning ?

Let's dissect the points a bit shall we:

-Hisbullah does not represent true Shia
Who is to say it does or doesnt? each sect has different ideologies/groups in it

-Hisbullah has foreign ties, funding, allegiances
Hariri were fully backed by KSA til very recently, financially and politically and they even tried to play smart in the north with miltias also
Hariri family still does its best to align with KSA policies. Is that different than hisbullah ? before 2005 they were fully in bed with the syrian regime, after 2005 they were in bed with the syrian rebels. that is better than what hisbullah does ?
Jumblat is always looking for foreign backers, Geagea is 100% funded by the KSA and USA.

-Hisbullah is armed
Yep it is armed. So are Walid Jumblat PSPers and Geageaists. the only problem is that hisbullah has an arsenal of rockets aimed at israel.. but in conventional weaponry it is not the only one armed and training people and getting constant funding

-Hisbulllah is corrupt
And Hariri, Jumblat and geagea arent? or it is only bassil and hisbullah who are corrupt now ?

-Hisbullah threatens
Smallah each day the others threaten also, since 2005 we had endless street fights. The fact that hisbullah tends to win these fights doesnt mean that it started all of them itself. On the contrary. Let us not forget all the sh-t the pro daish sunnis pulled off in the north and achrafieh since 2005 (take omega 3 memory pills if u cant remember)

-Hisbullah is stealing
Take a queue in line please, all of them are stealing, give me a break. the entire fleet of government employees and contractors are stealing in the name of all parties and leaders.

-Hisbullah has sheep voting for it
The exact same thing applies for you as parties or 7irak madane. Everyone in lebanon is emotional and not forward thinking.

-Hisbullah does not represent the street
Who told u that? for each 1 protestor you put out, Hisbullah can match it. Dont play the numbers games anymore this is not a kindergarten for the mathematically challenged

-Hisbullah is allied with Aoun
Your hate fetish against Aoun has nothing to do with hisbullah, you could have allied with him also but instead you chose to stab him since 2005

-Hisbullah will take us to war
Yes this is likely, but you are forgetting also all the things its detractors are doing to take us to war also. constantly threatening hisbullah and supporting el da3ish in syria and supporting the flow of 1.5mil new syrians into lebanon will cause us a war also. f-cking the already weak economy now wont ? let us not forget what the socialist left did also that got us into war in 1975

-Hisbulah is not really pro palestine
Who cares if true or false, f-ck palestine aslan to start with. If you support palestine you are as much of a cancerous creature as hisbullah is. What type of deranged person keeps obessing with the underage crazy girl next door is beyond me to start with.

-I just dont like hisbullah!
Fair enough, i dont like it either, but please do yourself the courtesy of not being a hypocrite when u attack it when your community, your leaders, your ideologies and you yourself are as much sh-t as hisbullah is constantly since 2005 onwards. The mere fact that u think you are 'more lebanese than others' instead of admitting our shared national failure is living proof that your view of hisbullah/lebanon is wrong and twisted

So what do we do ?

I dont know anymore, if you asked me before i would have recommended something to 'fix this', but so far we all acted like stupid crazed dogs so i dont think anything will work to create a new social pact or fix the endless problems of lebanon that includes hisbullah but are not limited to it

Fi a few options tho i can think off

1-stay crazy and deluded like you are now and bark at hisbullah/aoun irrationally to feel temporarily better
2-fight hisbullah physically, and prepare to lose
3-ask foreign powers to defeat hisbullah, and prepare to be betrayed and left to die by them
4-fight hisbullah by using lebanon as the weapon, f-cking up the economy and social fabric even more like this current 'tharwa' is doing and hope that by magic hisbullah is weakened somehow before your bank account turns zero
5-blindly ally with hisbullah like bassil is doing
6-kill urself
7-emmigrate

Whatever you chose, know that you are only choosing your favorite poison

Because lebanon cannot be fixed, our circus titanic ship sinks further downwards

We just dont have enough good people and smart people left in it, plus we have enemies all around us also pumping funds and propaganda daily

We keep going deeper into that dark tunnel while all politicians including hisbullah couldnt give less of a tart about any of you and your families

Life is bleak sometimes, weed wont fix it, wave flagging wont either, i recommend option 7 for u if that is of any value

Regardless, you shouldnt willingly act like a clown imbecile blaming hisbullah only for this magnificent temple of degenerate orgies we built and call lebanon
 
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  • Red Phoenix

    Red Phoenix

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    Ah i see ze3il Resign because i popped his happy blind tharwa bubble with this pessimistic but realistic thread of mine
     
    O Brother

    O Brother

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    I didn't read all of your long comment but let me give you my take on it!

    I think they are extremely hypocrites specially when they want to label themselves as "Hezbullah" yet they are busy fighting to defend a bloody tyrant and committing some serious crimes only for their political interests/agendas and meanwhile they want to claim to be against tyranny!

    They love to claim to be ashraf al nass and are fighting against takfiri ideologies while they are takfiris themselves specially against the shia who do not agree with them!

    They claim to be anti US but gives them blind eye in Lebanon for many things and so does the US!
    HA and USA are more of frenemies than enemies at least for the moment!

    I used to believe that Toufaili was their extreme ugly face now I think he is actually the one who still have sense left among them!

    The so called hezbullah should go back to their 1985 declaration letter and read it and learn from it every once in a while because clearly their actions goes against everything that was declared in that excellent letter!!


    PEACE
     
    Mrsrxmas

    Mrsrxmas

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    I didn't read all of your long comment but let me give you my take on it!
    story of this forum. How do you expect people to read what you wrote when you do not make the effort to read their point of view.
    Just looking to talk and never listen and that is how we end up being flat out knuckledheads only caring about what we say.
     
    agnostic

    agnostic

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    I didn't read all of your long comment but let me give you my take on it!

    I think they are extremely hypocrites specially when they want to label themselves as "Hezbullah" yet they are busy fighting to defend a bloody tyrant and committing some serious crimes only for their political interests/agendas and meanwhile they want to claim to be against tyranny!

    They love to claim to be ashraf al nass and are fighting against takfiri ideologies while they are takfiris themselves specially against the shia who do not agree with them!

    They claim to be anti US but gives them blind eye in Lebanon for many things and so does the US!
    HA and USA are more of frenemies than enemies at least for the moment!

    I used to believe that Toufaili was their extreme ugly face now I think he is actually the one who still have sense left among them!

    The so called hezbullah should go back to their 1985 declaration letter and read it and learn from it every once in a while because clearly their actions goes against everything that was declared in that excellent letter!!


    PEACE
    Salam bro

    1. Let's put the Syrian problem aside for a moment, and why HA was forced to intervene there. We can discuss it later if you wish
    2. I am often treating with HA people, and as usual I often provoke them so I jauge them very well. I can assure you they have no problem with people who do not agree with them
    3. There are balances and priorities to take in consideration. Otherwise HA could have get rid of all jame3it "I love life" long time ago
    4. HA supporters are hunted everywhere Zionists and US have the upper hand. Their banks and accounts are closed even in Lebanon. Many Lebanese Shias are blacklisted in Europe and USA, only because of their writing on internet. Also if you listen to any speech from US or Israel leader, The over repeated enemies they constantly indicate are HA and [beloved] Iran
    5. The situation today has nothing to do with 1985. In addition HA leadership got more mature and wisdom to better analyze the situation and take the right decisions
    6. HA is fought by the intl finance aka the jewish banks who petit a petit are extending their control and imposing on people all over the world, including in Lebanon, to collaborate with them and even pushing them to a suicide fight against HA
    7. HA don't seek any war against Israel, but believe that the war is indubitably coming
     
    Red Phoenix

    Red Phoenix

    Legendary Member
    so far we are making as much progress in stating the real difference between hisbullah and its detractors as much as the current lebanese leaders are in forming a new government with the same old tired formulas

    everybody is punching holes in this hull of the ship we are in

    or yet a better analogy would be a terminal cancer patient having to listen to his kidney cancer blame his lung cancer who blames his anus cancer for all the mess and pain he is now in

    we sound like an incestual family fighting over who ****ed aunt Audrey last christmas
     
    zero

    zero

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    Who told you that all that oppose HA are Hariri, geagea, and jumblatt supporters?

    So much I want to comment on, but a lot was mentioned in myso thread. I would also add that do not forget HA and their allies' terrorist activities in Lebanon since early 2000s. Assassinations and bombings were a regular occurance thanks to them. As for street clashes, let me know how many of them were in Shia areas and how many were Sunni and druze areas and you will know who attacked who.

    Also do not equate LF or even FM relations with Saudi. The LFers and FMers do not give a **** about MBS. They do not worship him like Hezballahis worship Khomeini. Tell me how many LFers are willing to die fighting for MBS?
    And also not sure why you stuck aoun in there. I do not know of one person that hates HA because they are allied with Aoun. Maybe the other way around, they hate aoun because he is allied with HA.
     
    agnostic

    agnostic

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    Tell me how many LFers are willing to die fighting for MBS?
    All who, whether by solidarity with the West or by greeds, sate that HA are terrorist, are actually pushing HA to give them some pif paf couples of slaps.
     
    AtheistForJesus

    AtheistForJesus

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    While both HA and FM/LF are loyal to a foreign axis, the difference is that the latter have never tried to establish an Islamic Republic in Lebanon or waged a war on behalf of Saudi.

    MBS's foolishness aside, our relations with Saudi have been mostly beneficial to Lebanon.
    We like to criticize the Gulf but we don't hesitate to accept their donations or beg them for money. Quite ironic.

    There are thousands of Lebanese expats working in GCC countries. Our interests dictate that we maintain good relations with them.
     
    zero

    zero

    Member
    Any LFers who, whether by solidarity with the West or by greeds, sate that HA are terrorist, are pushing for a die fighting.
    LFers can state what they want. Or is it just hezballahis that can run around calling half the population Israeli agents even when they know they're full of shit?
     
    agnostic

    agnostic

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    LFers can state what they want. Or is it just hezballahis that can run around calling half the population Israeli agents even when they know they're full of shit?
    Laws are the basis to deal our living together. When you want to ignore the laws, and obey safarat, close roads, throw that HA and its supporters are terrorists, we have the right to correct you.
     
    zero

    zero

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    Laws are the basis to deal our living together. When you want to ignore the laws, and obey safarat, close roads, throw that HA and its supporters are terrorists, we have the right to correct you.
    You are delusional. HA has indoctrinated you to believe that everyone that opposes HA and their weapons is obeying orders from foreign powers. Ans you have no right to correct anyone, take a peace of Lebanon and call it Hezballastan make it your own country. The true Lebanese will not bow down to your will.
     
    zero

    zero

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    While both HA and FM/LF are loyal to a foreign axis, the difference is that the latter have never tried to establish an Islamic Republic in Lebanon or waged a war on behalf of Saudi.

    MBS's foolishness aside, our relations with Saudi have been mostly beneficial to Lebanon.
    We like to criticize the Gulf but we don't hesitate to accept their donations or beg them for money. Quite ironic.

    There are thousands of Lebanese expats working in GCC countries. Our interests dictate that we maintain good relations with them.
    Agreed. It's a false equivalency just like equating PSP weapons with HAs.
     
    agnostic

    agnostic

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    You are delusional. HA has indoctrinated you to believe that everyone that opposes HA and their weapons is obeying orders from foreign powers. Ans you have no right to correct anyone, take a peace of Lebanon and call it Hezballastan make it your own country. The true Lebanese will not bow down to your will.
    Ya khayye delusional or not this is not the issue we were debating. I am telling you that labeling HA and its supporters of terrorism is a declaration of war. Can you understand it, save it in your memory and choose to not repeat it anymore?
     
    zero

    zero

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    Ya khayye delusional or not this is not the issue we were debating. I am telling you that labeling HA and its supporters of terrorism is a declaration of war. Can you understand it, save it in your memory and choose to not repeat it anymore?
    And Hezballahis calling people Israeli agents isnt?
     
    The_FPMer

    The_FPMer

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    All who, whether by solidarity with the West or by greeds, sate that HA are terrorist, are actually pushing HA to give them some pif paf couples of slaps.
    When did LF declare that HA is a terrorist entity?
     
    agnostic

    agnostic

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    When did LF declare that HA is a terrorist entity?
    abu 2ar3a has a long history of cowardice and deception. He thinks he is smart in sending some spotty kids who are not even 18 to say it .
     
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