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Who murdered the most Innocent Human Beings on Earth?

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joseph_lubnan

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After this fantastic debate @Viral, and in conclusion, the Islamic Republic of Iran, is no good :)
 
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    Viral

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    Trump, Bush, Ben Salman, Rouhani are presidents and leaders of countries.

    Not because they take decisions for their countries, it means their religions are guilty as default.

    There are Muslims who defend Trump and Bush, and Christians who are against them. Not sure why a Christian or a Muslim should carry the guilt of political leaders!
    What century you live in?
    Again, when anyone invokes religion to starve people and make wars, he should be exposed by his own camp first.
    If certain Muslims support Bush, as Christians, we should not be fooled and consider it an honor. As true Christians, we should be the first ones denouncing other Christians sacrificing Christian credibility for greed and political gains. Unfortunately, we haven’t been smart and courageous enough to speak out loud about the injustice committed against the Christian message. In my opinion, Christianity is a message not a club or political religion.
     
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    joseph_lubnan

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    Again, when anyone invokes religion to starve people and make wars, he should be exposed by his own camp first.
    If certain Muslims support Bush, as Christians, we should not be fooled and consider it an honor. As true Christians, we should be the first ones denouncing other Christians sacrificing Christian credibility for greed and political gains. Unfortunately, we haven’t been smart and courageous enough to speak out loud about the injustice committed against the Christian message. In my opinion, Christianity is a message not a club or political religion.
    I agree with you that Islamic Republic of Iran is a terrible theocracy :)
     
    Dynamite Joe

    Dynamite Joe

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    truth is sacred by all the standards that lift mankind up and enable the evolution of our intellectual faculties. your disregard for truth is a recipe not only for degeneration, but also for devolution. the fact that you are oblivious to the above makes almost all the discussions you are involved in all the more pathetic and futile, regardless of whether your maiming and twisting of truths and facts is intentional or not.

    do not worry though, you may be under the wrong impression that you are unique and that you are an evolutionary icon stepping where those adhering to truth have never laid foot before. the reality however is that you are neither. the fact is that you are a very common type. there is more of you than one would care to count, and that has always been the case across all ages, however they rarely leave any traces, rarely manage to induce an impact, and rarely deliver anything that others can build upon. this must be what is deluding you into believing that the path you have set yourself up on has not been threaded before by countless others.

    doesn't matter, everything that mankind has ever accomplished has been based on the honest communication of truth between people who believe in it and respect it.
    You should familiarise yourself with truth relativism.
     
    JB81

    JB81

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    Again, when anyone invokes religion to starve people and make wars, he should be exposed by his own camp first.
    If certain Muslims support Bush, as Christians, we should not be fooled and consider it an honor. As true Christians, we should be the first ones denouncing other Christians sacrificing Christian credibility for greed and political gains. Unfortunately, we haven’t been smart and courageous enough to speak out loud about the injustice committed against the Christian message. In my opinion, Christianity is a message not a club or political religion.
    And Turkey is envolved in wars and such. We should expect every Muslim to denounce Turkey, because they are tarnishing Islamic religion, right?
     
    Dynamite Joe

    Dynamite Joe

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    It seems the "truth" you follow are people who create fake online identities and who pretend to be Christian.

    When you are so easily misled, my dear, it is your own evolution you should be concerned with, not that of others.
    A gift of clairvoyance? I always feel like a demigod after a bottle of turriga with robiola. So let me dabble in the occult and have a go at what you take for granted… You often overthink things, likely due to a combination of sensitivity and growing cynicism, often leading you to erroneous conclusions. A defence mechanism perhaps, but on the flip side inhibiting. Strong convictions and obdurate on the surface, but within contemplative and receptive.
     
    Indie

    Indie

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    A gift of clairvoyance? I always feel like a demigod after a bottle of turriga with robiola. So let me dabble in the occult and have a go at what you take for granted… You often overthink things, likely due to a combination of sensitivity and growing cynicism, often leading you to erroneous conclusions. A defence mechanism perhaps, but on the flip side inhibiting. Strong convictions and obdurate on the surface, but within contemplative and receptive.
    Right. Multiple people are having bottle issues and seeing the same things. Or maybe something else is going on.

    In any case, this is the last time I address this point. Feel free to believe whatever is convenient for you.
     
    Dark Angel

    Dark Angel

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    You should familiarise yourself with truth relativism.
    you're the one who should do that, relative truth does not mean that you can pass a lie as the truth, or maim a truth, or twist a proven fact.

    you are lacking even in relativism.
     
    Dynamite Joe

    Dynamite Joe

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    you're the one who should do that, relative truth does not mean that you can pass a lie as the truth, or maim a truth, or twist a proven fact.

    you are lacking even in relativism.
    Religion is based on absolutes. Starting with the knowledge of a God's existence, his commandments, halal and haram, blessings, sin and heresy. That makes it easy to judge others, who or what way of life is superior or inferior, or who visits paradise rather than simmer in hellfire. On the other hand, when you come to terms that God is the byproduct of human conceit, you can readily accept that you're not in a privileged position, holding a higher moral ground than others. Too many variables in nature to view everything in black and white.
     
    proIsrael-nonIsraeli

    proIsrael-nonIsraeli

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    Religion is based on absolutes. Starting with the knowledge of a God's existence, his commandments, halal and haram, blessings, sin and heresy. That makes it easy to judge others, who or what way of life is superior or inferior, or who visits paradise rather than simmer in hellfire. On the other hand, when you come to terms that God is the byproduct of human conceit, you can readily accept that you're not in a privileged position, holding a higher moral ground than others. Too many variables in nature to view everything in black and white.
    "Religion is based on absolutes" - not always. For example Jews are taught to be inquisitive, not blindly obedient to dogma.
     
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    Viral

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    Crusader in Chief wants to starve Venezuela's Catholic chidden to death for regime change.
    Why? For ExxonMobil to do busine$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ there... Why let born again Christian Bush do better then him in Iraq.
    Different Crusaders. Same game...
    Comments? Excuses?


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    Dark Angel

    Dark Angel

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    Religion is based on absolutes. Starting with the knowledge of a God's existence, his commandments, halal and haram, blessings, sin and heresy. That makes it easy to judge others, who or what way of life is superior or inferior, or who visits paradise rather than simmer in hellfire. On the other hand, when you come to terms that God is the byproduct of human conceit, you can readily accept that you're not in a privileged position, holding a higher moral ground than others. Too many variables in nature to view everything in black and white.
    i really do not want to have this discussion with you. science is based on absolutes, religion is based on the recognition of the existence of absolutes. relative truth does not mean that truth itself is relative and not unique, what is relative is the different and subjective interpretation of the same truth. you are confused on so many levels and you rarely make a correct statement, including your understanding of religion. and even in the rare occasions when you are able to understand something correctly you end up intentionally twisting it. nothing constructive will ever come out of such a mentality. period.
     
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    Dynamite Joe

    Dynamite Joe

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    i really do not want to have this discussion with you. science is based on absolutes, religion is based on the recognition of the existence of absolutes. relative truth does not mean that truth itself is relative and not unique, what is relative is the different and subjective interpretation of the same truth. you are confused on so many levels and you rarely make a correct statement, including your understanding of religion. and even in the rare occasions when you are able to understand something correctly you end up intentionally twisting it. nothing constructive will ever come out of such a mentality. period.
    Science is not inscribed in stone and strictly circumscribed in ancient tales. Anyway, back to topic. Christianity, Islam, Zionism, Nazism, Stalinism... all have absolutist ideologies in common. So it's no wonder they mucked it all up.
     
    Dark Angel

    Dark Angel

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    Science is not inscribed in stone and strictly circumscribed in ancient tales. Anyway, back to topic. Christianity, Islam, Zionism, Nazism, Stalinism... all have absolutist ideologies in common. So it's no wonder they mucked it all up.
    actually science is strictly about uncovering a unique and an absolute truth inscribed in what is much stronger and much more durable than stone and from which every deviation is a falsehood. not to be confused with stubborn people as yourself with a static mentality set in stone who do not recognize the error of their ways, and it is that very brand of people that derails ideologies and causes all kinds of tragedy including the killing of millions of innocents, which i remind you is the topic of the thread, not religion nor ideologies, but that also goes to indicate that yours was an act of deceit from the beginning.

    you are all about falsehoods, we have had this very discussion countless times before, and it is becoming literally disgusting.
     
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