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Who murdered the most Innocent Human Beings on Earth?

Dynamite Joe

Dynamite Joe

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Crusader in Chief wants to starve Venezuela's Catholic chidden to death for regime change.
Why? For ExxonMobil to do busine$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ there... Why let born again Christian Bush do better then him in Iraq.
Different Crusaders. Same game...
Comments? Excuses?


‘Prevent anything going in’: Report claims Trump repeatedly considered Venezuela blockade
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When we say the government and its chiefs Trump, Obama, Bush, Clinton.... We are talking about leaders elected by the people. Those who voted for Trump knew exactly what they were getting as with the brexiteers in the UK. In other words, sometimes we focus all the blame on elected officials and forget that they are a reflection of their electorate, not just lobbyists. We can see this when politicians go Rambo in their first term and still manage to secure a second term for presidents, and multiple terms in the legislative branches. If there was enough support and energy for independent candidates free from the shackles of the main parties, even corporate America couldn't prevent it. The problem with empires are people become spoilt and set in their ways. They tend to cling to archaic ideas or value the status quo over the instability that may arise from shaking up a political system and coming to terms with cultural defects. But eventually external factors begin disturbing the status quo internally. It will happen at some point.
 
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    Curiosum

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    actually science is strictly about uncovering a unique and an absolute truth inscribed in what is much stronger and much more durable than stone and from which every deviation is a falsehood. not to be confused with stubborn people as yourself with a static mentality set in stone who do not recognize the error of their ways, and it is that very brand of people that derails ideologies and causes all kinds of tragedy including the killing of millions of innocents, which i remind you is the topic of the thread, not religion nor ideologies, but that also goes to indicate that yours was an act of deceit from the beginning.

    you are all about falsehoods, we have had this very discussion countless times before, and it is becoming literally disgusting.
    Friedrich Nietzsche famously suggested that an ancient, metaphysical belief in the divinity of Truth lies at the heart of and has served as the foundation for the entire subsequent Western intellectual tradition: "But you will have gathered what I am getting at, namely, that it is still a metaphysical faith on which our faith in science rests--that even we knowers of today, we godless anti-metaphysicians still take our fire too, from the flame lit by the thousand-year old faith, the Christian faith which was also Plato's faith, that God is Truth; that Truth is 'Divine'..."[6][7]
     
    Dark Angel

    Dark Angel

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    No sir, that’s the business of God and those who converse with him.
    and yet, deux droites parallèles ne se rencontrent jamais.

    here is another absolute truth for you, those who do not recognize and acknowledge the existence of absolute truth are either liars or idiots, or both.
     
    Dynamite Joe

    Dynamite Joe

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    and yet, deux droites parallèles ne se rencontrent jamais.

    here is another absolute truth for you, those who do not recognize and acknowledge the existence of absolute truth are either liars or idiots, or both.
    Maybe they do in another dimension or the twilight zone. It could also be true that DA is an agnostic at heart
     
    Dynamite Joe

    Dynamite Joe

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    You should re-read our conversation. Your end of it does not logically follow.
    In the absence of evidence of a God, it's the default position that there's no deities, nor fairies for that matter. The claimant bears the burden of proof. Now the part you didn't comprehend is your religion states unequivocally that there is a God and we must all follow him, or else. That is the definition of absolutism.
     
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    Viral

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    In the absence of evidence of a God, it's the default position that there's no deities, nor fairies for that matter. The claimant bears the burden of proof. Now the part you didn't comprehend is your religion states unequivocally that there is a God and we must all follow him, or else. That is the definition of absolutism.
    Bummer.:(
    Naked truth making every religious thread on this forum obsolete.
    Houston We have a problem.;)
     
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    Curiosum

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    In the absence of evidence of a God, it's the default position that there's no deities, nor fairies for that matter. The claimant bears the burden of proof. Now the part you didn't comprehend is your religion states unequivocally that there is a God and we must all follow him, or else. That is the definition of absolutism.
    What evidence and what God are you talking about? I'm genuinely interested in how all that thing plays out in your ilk's heads for decades despite all the help offered.

    The assumption you're basing this tired old parroted rhetoric on, namely the 'one fewer god' objection , that all gods share an equal likelihood of existence (and that therefore if we dismiss the ancient mythology gods, we ought to dismiss (our) God) is precisely what any
    theist would deny. If there are good reasons to think that God (with a capital G) exists, it means little that we don’t believe in gods of ancient mythology, it means little that gods of ancient mythology don't actually exist (or that there are no good reasons to think that they exist).
     
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    Viral

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    When we say the government and its chiefs Trump, Obama, Bush, Clinton.... We are talking about leaders elected by the people. Those who voted for Trump knew exactly what they were getting
    Come think of it, even dictators are the product of their own society let alone elected leaders.
    You’re right people who allow their leaders to be in power and use their tax money to destroy others are directly responsible for the outcome. There will be a price to pay for their lack of responsibilities.
    eventually external factors begin disturbing the status quo internally.
    As we’ve witness, only military resistance has given positive results for deterrence.
     
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    Curiosum

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    Just to illustrate the idiocy and/or the wickedness at play here; just because there's counterfeit money, it doesn't follow, nor does it show, that there's no real money. One would come out as a nutcase or a wicked person if they go around telling people 'in the absence of evidence of real money, it's the default position that there's no real money. The claimant bears the burden of proof. Now the part you didn't comprehend is your religion states unequivocally that there is actual money and we must all believe this, or else. That is the definition of absolutism.'
     
    Dark Angel

    Dark Angel

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    In the absence of evidence of a God, it's the default position that there's no deities, nor fairies for that matter. The claimant bears the burden of proof. Now the part you didn't comprehend is your religion states unequivocally that there is a God and we must all follow him, or else. That is the definition of absolutism.
    1- the default position of conscious and non-comatose beings is that God exists, simply because there is something instead of nothing.
    2- stop repeating the burden of proof mantra. no one cares whether you are convinced or not, and no one is trying to convince you of anything.
    3- God is not even the subject of discussion in this thread.
    4- that is not what @Indie 's religion states.
    5- that is not the definition of absolutism.

    you have been fleeing from one subject to the next for the last 10 years and you have walked that same path and made the same false statements hundreds of times. and you are still right where you have started intellectually, despite the fact that you seem to have nothing better to do than to engage us on the subject of God and religion, you have not managed to evolve your argument a single bit.

    te3tir, if you ask me.
     
    Indie

    Indie

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    In the absence of evidence of a God, it's the default position that there's no deities, nor fairies for that matter. The claimant bears the burden of proof. Now the part you didn't comprehend is your religion states unequivocally that there is a God and we must all follow him, or else. That is the definition of absolutism.
    You are shifting the conversation, which was neither about religion, nor the absence or existence of God. It was about a statement you made regarding truth. You said:

    "There is no absolute truth."

    Is that statement an absolute truth?
     
    Dynamite Joe

    Dynamite Joe

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    It’s a bit tricky. Think of the fig leaf that hell only to find out there was nothing behind it to hide. It’s more embarrassing than if there were…
    I think Jesus cursed the fig tree for that reason in Matthew 21.
     
    Dynamite Joe

    Dynamite Joe

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    1- the default position of conscious and non-comatose beings is that God exists, simply because there is something instead of nothing.
    2- stop repeating the burden of proof mantra. no one cares whether you are convinced or not, and no one is trying to convince you of anything.
    3- God is not even the subject of discussion in this thread.
    4- that is not what @Indie 's religion states.
    5- that is not the definition of absolutism.

    you have been fleeing from one subject to the next for the last 10 years and you have walked that same path and made the same false statements hundreds of times. and you are still right where you have started intellectually, despite the fact that you seem to have nothing better to do than to engage us on the subject of God and religion, you have not managed to evolve your argument a single bit.

    te3tir, if you ask me.
    ab·so·lut·ism
    /ˈabsəl(y)o͞oˌtizəm/

    noun: absolutism
    1. the acceptance of or belief in absolute principles in political, philosophical, ethical, or theological matters.
     
    Dark Angel

    Dark Angel

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    ab·so·lut·ism
    /ˈabsəl(y)o͞oˌtizəm/
    noun: absolutism
    1. the acceptance of or belief in absolute principles in political, philosophical, ethical, or theological matters.
    you do not get the differences between this proper definition and your earlier statements, do you? do not bother with an answer. this whole thread was born dead. no need to prolong the agony.
     
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