Who needs enemies when Uncle Sam is your friend?

J. Abizeid

J. Abizeid

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Instead of complaining and criticizing Uncle Sam, why don't we - as a nation - learn from them instead? America does what it sees as in its interests, and there is no harm if we do the same instead of the never ending bickering, moaning, complaining, and criticizing, and whining that we are known to be.
I’m not sure what you want to learn from them, is it honesty, values, or education about world cultures?
Besides, I haven’t notice anyone complain so far. We won and we are celebrating in a very civilized manner.
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  • Mr Aoun

    Mr Aoun

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    America does what it sees as in its interests, and there is no harm if we do the same
    oh yaaaa
    no harm in overthrowing democratically elected presidents, no harm in supporting dictators like Mubarak/Saddam/OBL/Pinochet/Wahhabi Lords, no harm in milking nations dry and polluting their rainforests whilst using their population as slave labor and getting crude for peanuts.

    No harm at all if we do the same, as long as it's in our interest.

    I don't know about your beliefs buddy, but i don't believe being the Devil serves Lebanon's interests.
     
    taifoon

    taifoon

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    oh yaaaa
    no harm in overthrowing democratically elected presidents, no harm in supporting dictators like Mubarak/Saddam/OBL/Pinochet/Wahhabi Lords, no harm in milking nations dry and polluting their rainforests whilst using their population as slave labor and getting crude for peanuts.

    No harm at all if we do the same, as long as it's in our interest.

    I don't know about your beliefs buddy, but i don't believe being the Devil serves Lebanon's interests.
    Mr Aoun,

    Permit me a quick interference in here: Working for ones interests does not automagically translate into working for the same interests as someone else. I think LebanonUSA meant the general concept and not its american version.
    If we lebanese at least manage to define a common denominator of interests and work together to protect and preserve them, we'll be fine.
     
    Mr Aoun

    Mr Aoun

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    If we lebanese at least manage to define a common denominator of interests
    Hi taifoon!

    At the end of the day, every human works for their interests one-way or another.

    Finding the "common denominator" my friend, is the greatest problem in the history of mankind. The only way you can find a common denominator is by brainwashing the masses.
     
    Red Phoenix

    Red Phoenix

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    Great poignant article J.AbiZeid. Straight to the point.

    Great nations are built on the will and contribution of great ppl, granted that those aforementioned great ppl managed to nullify and/or neutralize the destruction radius of the other not-so-great ppl in their community FIRST. The fact that America grants its external allies the same deal of respect and loyalty that any off-duty marine usually grants to any respected prostitute in Thailand comes as no big shock to us all.
    But it still makes u wonder why those prostitutes wanna believe in their heart of hearts that the marine fellow will actually care for her/him in the end of the day..

    I completely understand and agree that GMA and SHN played a great stabilizing role that makes them rise high above the standard mold of lebanese politicians, but the problem remains in the others in this picture that are dead-set on setting the freaking lebanese house on fire with the aid of their Blessed Lucifer American ally.

    Mainly by these social pyromaniacs i refer to Saaed, Jumblat, and Samir, although Jumbi is seemingly trying lately to revert back from his warmongering stands post 2005 after it got just too hot for him in his own little corner of mount lebanon facing all his demons alone..

    Of the remaining two minor devils, Saaed has got the upper hand here when it comes to burning stuff cuz he is in a powerful position laden in ignorance while Samir is in a weak position of delusion (to date), only having to make do with the casual skirmish against this and that unarmed opposition protestor and this and that “offensive” GMA picture on the wall..

    All three want to get ride of the “shia” influence in this country and the independent role that GMA is playing in the christian street, while Jumbi wouldn’t also mind cutting up the country into tiny parcels as Samir can’t wait for any reason to make that happen sooner rather than later. And now we got the salafist Pandora box that was opened thx to the unholy union of devils that the 2005 american-sponsored cedar devolution spawned aplenty (we can mainly thk the 8azar disaster for that..).
    All these new threats are making the 30 year old Syrian occupation look mild in nightmarish comparison.

    So the question now remains whether or not being good is good enough for GMA and SHN to stop Saaed the disturbed kid with the eternally burning tourch in his hand from turning the country into a nice pile of smoke, destruction, and cinder.
    As to date, Saaed is doing a commendable job sending Tripoli and the north back into the stone ages.. i wonder if it will end there though..

    In the end, if i can allow myself to re-quote u, who needs enemies when he got himself the likes of Saaed Harriri, Samir and Jumbi as his “brotherly” next door bighearted lebanese brothers and sisters..
     
    LebanonUSA

    LebanonUSA

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    Thank you Taifoon

    General AbiZeid, Mr. Aoun, Chill out. We as Lebanese don't put the interests of our country first. That's what we should learn from the US.
     
    J. Abizeid

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    US stands alongside Lebanon in fight against ISIS: Kerry | News , Lebanon News | THE DAILY STAR

    Oct. 11, 2014 | 02:03 PM
    :peace:US stands alongside Lebanon in fight against ISIS: :peace:Kerry


    Secretary of State John Kerry speaks while meeting with Haitian Prime Minister Laurent Lamothe at the State Department, Thursday, Oct. 9, 2014, in Washington. (AP Photo/Jacquelyn Martin)



    BEIRUT: Washington stands alongside Lebanon in its fight against terrorism, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said in a letter Saturday, expressing his country’s continued support for the Army.
    “Kerry expressed his appreciation for what Lebanon is doing in its war against terrorism and thanked [Lebanon’s Foreign Affairs] Minister [Gebran] Bassil for participating in the international effort in that regard” in a letter to Bassil, according to the minister’s office.
    Kerry said the “U.S. stood alongside Lebanon in its war on ISIS on the Lebanese border and inside and expressed the U.S.' continued cooperation and military support.”
    Kerry and Bassil attended a regional conference in Saudi Arabia last month to discuss ways to deal with ISIS.
    Lebanon has not officially joined the U.S.-led international coalition to fight ISIS in Syria and Iraq due to disputes among political parties, with Hezbollah accusing the U.S. of creating the radical group in the first place.
    The Lebanese Army battled ISIS and Nusra Front militants in August in the border region of Arsal, which gunmen sought to overrun. The military has since then engaged in intermittent clashes with militants near the border.
    The U.S. has delivered light and heavy weapons to Lebanon in the past few weeks estimated over $9 million.
    In the letter, Kerry also expressed Washington’s commitment in pursing and holding terrorists such as ISIS accountable for their crimes.
    The U.S. official explained the stages and steps that the U.S. is taking form a wide international coalition to combat ISIS and the likes.
    “Kerry said he understood fears that the minister has about ISIS and other terrorist organizations threatening minorities in the east ... But President Barak Obama is adamant on not allowing anyone to root out such components from their original land,” the statement said.
     
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    Ma32ooleen l crusaders kamen? Hek they leave their allies hanging? :(
    3ajel call @joseph_lubnan ask him how can the american leave their allies to the turks and mullahs
    how can this inspire confidence among other US allies, namely @joseph_lubnan ???
    the one who has USA as an ally needs no enemy :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
    Some never learn.... Hello MBS.... Anyone home?:lol::lol::lol:


    Israelis Watch U.S. Abandon Kurds, and Worry: Who’s Next?
    President Trump’s abrupt order to withdraw American troops from Syria set off alarm bells among Israeli officials who fear the United States might stop standing up for Israel.




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    Israelis Watch U.S. Abandon Kurds, and Worry: Who’s Next?
    President Trump’s abrupt order to withdraw American troops from Syria set off alarm bells among Israeli officials who fear the United States might stop standing up for Israel.


    Israel under Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has depended heavily on the Trump administration’s support in confronting Tehran over its nuclear ambitions and over its expansionist moves in Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Yemen.CreditCreditDoug Mills/The New York Times
    David M. Halbfinger
    By David M. Halbfinger
    • Published Oct. 8, 2019Updated Oct. 9, 2019, 12:34 a.m. ET
    JERUSALEM — Israel’s national security does not immediately depend on who controls the border of Turkey and northern Syria, more than 500 miles from its own territory.
    Yet President Trump’s abrupt order to withdraw American troops there and abandon Kurdish forces, who have been stalwart American allies against the Islamic State, set off clanging alarm bells among officials in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv.
    And for a simple reason: If such a betrayal could befall the Kurds, Israelis from across the political spectrum are suddenly asking, what prevents the same from befalling another staunch American ally?
    “A knife in our back,” screamed the headline over a column by Shimon Shiffer in Yediot Ahronot, Israel’s biggest mainstream paper. “The conclusion we draw needs to be unequivocal: Trump has become unreliable for Israel. He can no longer be trusted,” the column read.
    Mr. Trump has insisted that the withdrawal is not a betrayal. On Tuesday morning, he tweeted, “We may be in the process of leaving Syria, but in no way have we Abandoned the Kurds, who are special people and wonderful fighters.”
    But in Israel, many see America’s withdrawal, which could expose the Kurds to a Turkish attack, as desertion.
    “I feel like a Kurd today,” Dore Gold, a former Israeli ambassador to the United Nations and top foreign-policy official under Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, said in an interview.
    Israeli fears have nothing to do with Turkey, and everything to do with Iran.
    Israel under Mr. Netanyahu has depended heavily on the Trump administration’s support in confronting Tehran over its nuclear ambitions and over its expansionist moves in Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Yemen. Israel believes Iran’s long-term strategy is to base missiles in those countries that can threaten Israel, as a deterrent to a pre-emptive strike — whether by Israel or the United States — on an Iranian nuclear weapons project.
    The White House came through for Mr. Netanyahu when Mr. Trump pulled the United States out of the Iran nuclear deal, which President Barack Obama had negotiated over Mr. Netanyahu’s loud protests.
    The White House appeared reliable as long as the United States was imposing economic sanctions on Iran, and threatening the country with retaliation if it resorted to violence in response.
    But the White House has not been quite so dependable more recently, Israelis say.
    The Trump administration’s failure to hit back at Iran after repeated strikes on oil tankers and Saudi oil fields that were widely, if not undeniably, attributed to Tehran has undermined the credibility of American military threats, Israeli analysts said.
    Mr. Trump’s openness to talks with Iran has reinforced the idea that he is averse to a new conflict in the region. And his pullout of troops from Kurdish territory has only reinforced the broader perception among Israelis that he wants to withdraw from the Middle East, even at the expense of American influence.
    “There’s a growing sense that Trump is backing away from his commitments to allies,” said Emily B. Landau, an arms-control expert at the Institute for National Security Studies in Tel Aviv. “I’m not sure Israel’s in the same category as Saudi Arabia and the Kurds. At least I’m hoping that we’re not in the same category. But expectations were forged through Trump’s rhetoric and his behavior, and some of his policy decisions. And the question is, to what degree will he follow through with it, if Israel really needs the United States?”
    That American dependability is even being questioned by Israelis could embolden Iran at a particularly dangerous time, Israeli analysts said.
    “We are already in a highly volatile period, with Iran attacking U.S. allies,” like Saudi Arabia, said Ofer Zalzberg, an Israeli analyst for International Crisis Group. “The Israelis are bracing against an Iranian attack. The defense establishment believes Iran will strike within two months. The Israeli reaction would be very different from the Saudi nonreaction, and Iran knows that. But it’s very dangerous to encourage Iran to feel safer and to give Iran more courage in its decisions.”
    Beyond what lessons Iran might take from Mr. Trump’s actions, Israeli officials are also watching how they will be interpreted in Riyadh, the Saudi capital, which already has shown signs of interest in reducing tensions with Iran.
    “The big concern in Israel,” Mr. Zalzberg said, “is that if the Saudis feel exposed to Iranian attacks, they will shift from the current camp” — that of Israel and the United States, which have sought to deny Iran nuclear weapons altogether — “to the camp that says the most we can do is to diplomatically contain Iran’s nuclear ambitions, even if only partly.”
    That has enormous potential implications for Israel, which has sought to leverage its opposition to Iran into a diplomatic breakthrough with countries in the Persian Gulf, said Michael B. Oren, a former deputy minister under Mr. Netanyahu and ambassador to the United States during the Obama administration.
    “Take that away, and how amenable are the Gulf states going to be to do anything with Israel?” he said.
    “Trump’s ability to even advance a peace process with the Palestinians was predicated on his ability to stand up to the Iranians,” Mr. Oren added. Unless he does, that process will be at risk, Mr. Oren said.
    “Why would the Saudis be on board with a peace process? Why would the Emiratis?” he said. “Nobody’s connecting the dots. If you’re in favor of peace between Israel and the Palestinians, you’ve got to be in favor of a strong U.S. policy toward Iran.”
    As weighty as the stakes are, Mr. Netanyahu himself has kept quiet so far — highlighting a key limitation of his longstanding policy of bear-hugging Mr. Trump.
    That practice produced political dividends like American recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, and of Israeli sovereignty over the Golan Heights, and helped persuade Mr. Trump to withdraw from the Iran nuclear deal. It was so central to Mr. Netanyahu’s domestic image as a diplomatic maestro that he ran huge billboards showing him grinning alongside Mr. Trump in two re-election campaigns this year.
    Yet it has also constrained Mr. Netanyahu from applying public pressure when he believes the president is making bad decisions.
    The result is that Mr. Netanyahu’s leverage with Mr. Trump has reached a new low — and yet, “He can’t admit it publicly,” Mr. Zalzberg said. “He’s given Trump a sense of immunity, in effect, from criticism by the Israeli prime minister — something that U.S. presidents always took seriously. And with someone as unpredictable as Trump, this is really dangerous.”
    The hand-wringing by Israelis over Mr. Trump’s decision on the Kurds was only intensified by the fact that Tuesday was the eve of Yom Kippur, when Israelis not only observe the somber Jewish Day of Atonement but recall the 1973 Yom Kippur war, a national trauma that nearly resulted in Israel’s defeat.
    Mr. Oren, a historian before he became a diplomat, noted that when Israel turned to the United States for help in that war, President Richard Nixon was beleaguered by the Watergate scandal that led to his impeachment and resignation. “And Israel’s enemies knew it,” Mr. Oren said.
    Now, pointing to the impeachment inquiry against Mr. Trump, and to Mr. Netanyahu’s likely indictment on corruption charges, he added, “It’s happening here.”
    Mr. Oren recalled that in Mr. Obama’s last meeting with Mr. Netanyahu — despite their friction — the president said that “if Israel ever got into a serious war, of course the U.S. would intervene, because that’s what the American people expect.”
    “I don’t think Israel can bank on that today,” Mr. Oren said. “I don’t know now. And it’s enough to say I don’t know.”
    Correction:Oct. 9, 2019
    An earlier version of this article misstated when President Trump tweeted that the United States had not abandoned the Kurds. He did so on Tuesday, not Thursday.
     
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