Why can't Lebanon be an advanced country ?!

[JB81]

Right, there is a difference between one politician with no official post to say whatever he likes and a President who extends to Salameh, despite that his political party has been attacking Salameh for years.
Bass badak min yefham...
The problem with these guys is that they don't consider themselves responsible of anything. They are one of a kind....

The President cannot extend the post. It's the Council of Ministers... plus, thanks for the record that FPM is the only party that is against Salameh. Geagea had ministers who voted for Salameh on conviction, because the guy who had no "post" told them he is the best governor in the world. But he had no post, he's not responsible for his ministers' actions ordered by him personally. W fehem

 

[JB81]

Did Palestinians kill any Christian civilians prior to the bus attack?
Which massacre took place first? The Karantina massacre or the Damour Massacre?
I thought so. Now how about a nice cup of STFU?
The crimes of LF/Kataeb are well documented by and no amount of historical revisionism can help resuscitate their fascist image.

Are you justifying the killing of Christians?

 

[GrumpForTrump]

Are you justifying the killing of Christians?

Genius conclusion, JB81 As usual.
Lezim teshteghil bil OTV.

 

[JustLeb]

The President cannot extend the post. It's the Council of Ministers... plus, thanks for the record that FPM is the only party that is against Salameh

dude he had 10 ministers in the gov ma ba2a neda7ak 3a ba3dna, and he has plenty of ways to block the extensions
anyway I am not in the mood of arguing, knowing that you will never be convinced
if you are happy with the situation in Lebanon, let it be
like el rafi2 @SeaAb once said

 

[JB81]

Genius conclusion, JB81 As usual.
Lezim teshteghil bil OTV.

No, every massacre committed by Muslims, seemed to have an excuse for you. Ma Christians did that before.

How come when a reaction by Christian is horrible, but a reaction from Muslims is understandable?

 

[JB81]

dude he had 10 ministers in the gov ma ba2a neda7ak 3a ba3dna, and he has plenty of ways to block the extensions
anyway I am not in the mood of arguing, knowing that you will never be convinced
if you are happy with the situation in Lebanon, let it be
like el rafi2 @SeaAb once said
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So 10 is greater than 20 votes. Are you Ouwet in your past life?
Tell me, how can the President block the extension when the numbers are against him, not to include even if he managed the numbers, you had a PM who is ready to resign before the voting for Salameh.

 

[NewLeb]

Are those adjectives you used, a good way to bridge the differences between divided people
When lebanese people put in their minds, and are convinced that we need to live together, and build a country where everyone is free to practice his religion in private but the national issues do not have to be rooted in sectarian strife this is when we would have taken a step in the right direction.
I feel that the late 90s early 2000 we were happier, we used to celebrate our holidays (Fitr, Christmas) together.
Ya khayeh religion is one thing, politics is another, why would it be a Christian, Sunni, Druze, Shiite leaders, why not having leaders that address the needs of their people independent of their sects ?!

In the late 90s/2000s, a billionaire with a lot of money showed up to the scene. If he hadn’t, the Lebanese probably wouldn’t have been celebrating religious holidays together.

And now the Lebanese will have to wait for another billionaire whether they like it or not.

History doesn’t repeat itself, it rhymes....

 

[JustLeb]

So 10 is greater than 20 votes. Are you Ouwet in your past life?

No
ento sayrin zouzou ebba
do you know that nothing in lebanon goes in a vote, everything is about compromise ?

 

[JB81]

No
ento sayrin zouzou ebba
do you know that nothing in lebanon goes in a vote, everything is about compromise ?

Compromise in this case = changing name but the policy remains

La2 khalina 3a salameh w bala hal compromise l bala ta3meh

 

[JB81]

Again, FPM is blamed because it couldn't remove Salameh equal to Hariri Berri Jumblat Geagea Franjiteh who enforced Salameh on us.

Baddon tayyar y7ereb jami3 elfesdin la 7alon w faw2on byetla3 7a2 3a tayyar iza Hariri Berri Jumblat Geagea Franjiyeh are the majority by popular vote in this country.

Sha3b

 

[GrumpForTrump]

No, every massacre committed by Muslims, seemed to have an excuse for you. Ma Christians did that before.

How come when a reaction by Christian is horrible, but a reaction from Muslims is understandable?

There were some altercations between the Phalangists and PLO prior to the incident, but nothing of the sort that justified killing innocent children and women aboard the bus. This is one of the ugliest war crimes in the history of Lebanon.
The bus and Karantina massacre were the first acts of ethnic cleansing during the civil war.
The Damour massacre was in response to the Karantina massacre.

This is not to absolved PLO of war crimes. They're just as bad as far-Right Christians.
But the point is that Phalangists/LFers started the cycle of violence and then cried victim, likening themselves to martyrs.

 

[GrumpForTrump]

Please help this cat. I found this on Reddit and thought I'd post it here.
A nice lady took the injured cat to the vet but is unable to cover the cost of the operation.
It would be great if you could help.

 

[JB81]

There were some altercations between the Phalangists and PLO prior to the incident, but nothing of the sort that justified killing innocent children and women aboard the bus. This is one of the ugliest war crimes in the history of Lebanon.
The bus and Karantina massacre were the first acts of ethnic cleansing during the civil war.
The Damour massacre was in response to the Karantina massacre.

This is not to absolved PLO of war crimes. They're just as bad as far-Right Christians.
But the point is that Phalangists/LFers started the cycle of violence and then cried victim, likening themselves to martyrs.

So the Damour massacre is justified?

 

[GrumpForTrump]

So the Damour massacre is justified?

Nope. But we can argue it was in response to an equally horrendous massacre.

 

[JB81]

Nope. But we can argue it was in response to an equally horrendous massacre.

Basically, you are saying it is justified

 

[Lebanon_not_Arabic]

Did Palestinians kill any Christian civilians prior to the bus attack?

Did phalangists kill any Palestinian civilian prior to the bus attack?

Which massacre took place first? The Karantina massacre or the Damour Massacre?

The Damour massacres started on January 9, 1976.

The Karantina massacres started on January 18, 1976.

Le massacre de Damour (Liban), Janvier 1976

En janvier 1976, sous le haut patronage de Yasser Arafat, 600 civils de Damour ont été massacrés, avec viols, émasculations, mutilations. L'église St Elias fut transformée en garage pour le Fatah. ...

bigsam68.skyrock.com

"À onze heures trente (January 9), le téléphone, l'eau et l'électricité ont été coupés. La première invasion de la ville est survenue à une heure du matin. Les hommes de la Saiqua prirent d'assaut les maisons. Ils massacrèrent environ cinquante personnes en une nuit." (January 10)


Quoted from J. Becker "The PLO" :

"...On 9 January 1976, three days after Epiphany, the priest of Damour Father Mansour Labaky, was carrying out a Maronite custom of blessing the houses with holy water...."
"In the siege that had been established on 9 January the Palestinians cut off food and water supplies and refused to allow the Red Cross to take out the wounded. Infants and children died of dehydration. Only three more townspeople were killed as a result of PLO fire between the first night and the last day, 23 January. But on that day, when the final onslaught came, hundreds of the Christians were killed."

I thought so. Now how about a nice cup of STFU?

Can i also have a cup? Beshrabon shots.

The crimes of LF/Kataeb are well documented and no amount of historical revisionism can help resuscitate their fascist image.

From a pro-Palestinian, SSNP and Baathist point of view, you are right.

 

[Steven Gerrard]

Lol are we really discussing who killed who first?

See @JustLeb this is why we can't have nice things and Lebanon will never be an advanced country.

 

[Resign]

Did phalangists kill any Palestinian civilian prior to the bus attack?



The Damour massacres started on January 9, 1976.

The Karantina massacres started on January 18, 1976.

Le massacre de Damour (Liban), Janvier 1976

En janvier 1976, sous le haut patronage de Yasser Arafat, 600 civils de Damour ont été massacrés, avec viols, émasculations, mutilations. L'église St Elias fut transformée en garage pour le Fatah. ...

bigsam68.skyrock.com

"À onze heures trente (January 9), le téléphone, l'eau et l'électricité ont été coupés. La première invasion de la ville est survenue à une heure du matin. Les hommes de la Saiqua prirent d'assaut les maisons. Ils massacrèrent environ cinquante personnes en une nuit." (January 10)


Quoted from J. Becker "The PLO" :

"...On 9 January 1976, three days after Epiphany, the priest of Damour Father Mansour Labaky, was carrying out a Maronite custom of blessing the houses with holy water...."
"In the siege that had been established on 9 January the Palestinians cut off food and water supplies and refused to allow the Red Cross to take out the wounded. Infants and children died of dehydration. Only three more townspeople were killed as a result of PLO fire between the first night and the last day, 23 January. But on that day, when the final onslaught came, hundreds of the Christians were killed."


Can i also have a cup? Beshrabon shots.


From a pro-Palestinian, SSNP and Baathist point of view, you are right.

Interesting
i always thought Damour was a pay back for Karantina, or that's what we were led to believe.

 

[GrumpForTrump]

Did phalangists kill any Palestinian civilian prior to the bus attack?



The Damour massacres started on January 9, 1976.

The Karantina massacres started on January 18, 1976.

Le massacre de Damour (Liban), Janvier 1976

En janvier 1976, sous le haut patronage de Yasser Arafat, 600 civils de Damour ont été massacrés, avec viols, émasculations, mutilations. L'église St Elias fut transformée en garage pour le Fatah. ...

bigsam68.skyrock.com

"À onze heures trente (January 9), le téléphone, l'eau et l'électricité ont été coupés. La première invasion de la ville est survenue à une heure du matin. Les hommes de la Saiqua prirent d'assaut les maisons. Ils massacrèrent environ cinquante personnes en une nuit." (January 10)


Quoted from J. Becker "The PLO" :

"...On 9 January 1976, three days after Epiphany, the priest of Damour Father Mansour Labaky, was carrying out a Maronite custom of blessing the houses with holy water...."
"In the siege that had been established on 9 January the Palestinians cut off food and water supplies and refused to allow the Red Cross to take out the wounded. Infants and children died of dehydration. Only three more townspeople were killed as a result of PLO fire between the first night and the last day, 23 January. But on that day, when the final onslaught came, hundreds of the Christians were killed."


Can i also have a cup? Beshrabon shots.


From a pro-Palestinian, SSNP and Baathist point of view, you are right.

That's a falsification of history.

Karantina massacre: January 18
Damour massacre: January 20

Karantina massacre - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Damour massacre - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[GrumpForTrump]

Lol are we really discussing who killed who first?

See @JustLeb this is why we can't have nice things and Lebanon will never be an advanced country.

Of course it does matter, especially when LF/Phalangists constantly depict themselves as the victim.
Anyone who knows anything of history knows that the Kataeb started the ethnic cleansing crimes which set off the civil war.