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Why did FPM hit the streets yesterday ? and what was achieved ?

Do you still trust FPM's moves & decisions ?

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Danny Z

Legendary Member
lol because this is a public forum and this is how things work in a public forum, people comment on and answer questions, regardless whether they were addressed directly at them or not :) It is too complicated I know!
So if I ask Bandar if you speak for what he thinks your answer is you speak for yourself and he speaks for himself, how would this answer the question?

So now if you speak for him and I agree this a public forum, can you tell him that he looks like an idiot because the answer ended up being that Hariri is a son of a ***** after all and he is Bsayn. Or wait don't tell him, he knows this is a public forum and he can read this and he knows Hairi is a SOB and so is he.
And if he disagrees that you speak for him now you two need to discuss with each how Hariri a SOB since you agree he robbed the Chrsitian rights while Bandar thinks Hariri is second to God.
Now one for you, since Hariri robbed the Christians rights, we're they ever restored? If not why are you complaining because FPM is trying to restore justice?
 

Danny Z

Legendary Member
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Dogs attack the cats and cats run away faster than their shadows, yalla run away ***** cat. Bsaynet shatrin tnawwou and we say hish you run!
Yalla bandar hish
 

Muwatin Libnani

Well-Known Member
Stop beating around the bush, you said Salam did not run because he was protesting, why didn't Hariri protest? He was a chicken like you and Salam had more balls?

Let's start here were Christians marginalized or not?
Is this subject cornering you that much and putting the spotlight on you too much to expose your wrongdoings that you so refuse to discuss it?

Layk hal khabriyi, He wants us to believe that Salam did not run because he was sympathizing with the Christians! It's more like Salam felt his chances of winning against Hariri's Petro Dollars vote-buying machine were slim so he retracted "in solidarity with the Christians." Kbeer ya Salam!!
 

JB81

Legendary Member
Danny I have a question. Our candidate for March 14, Doctor Samir Geagea, went to the parliament and officially listed himself as a candidate. He did not receive enough votes to win, but at least he was open and democratic about his intentions.

Why doesn't Aoun do the same thing? March 14 and March 8 Christians both were told by their Muslim allies: decide who you want as president, and we will vote for him. So why doesn't Aoun go to the parliament and run democratically instead of sending his qazam in law to knock on the door of Qoraytem? Why doesn't Aoun go and face our candidate in parliament, the legal way as outlined in our great constitution?

I know your reply is: the parliament is illegitimate, but then, why are you seeking any kind of deal for the presidency with an illegitimate parliament? Why is the parliament legitimate enough to vote if Aoun has already been agreed upon, but not legitimate enough to vote when Aoun isn't already agreed upon?

Oops I think I stepped on your tail. Bye bye mousey! Have a pleasant 24 hour cycle.

Because we know that Dactor is being used as a torjan horse in the presidential elections, so his candidacy vs Aoun will cancel each others out, than byerkboulna one bala ta3meh wala lawon.

FPM is against bringing a weak president. Either someone at the caliber of Berri and Salam(an fm representative) or no one. Equal treatment... al3adel asas elmoulk

So, ma teda7ako 3layna democracy wbalout. Your tricks won't work with us.
 

TayyarBeino

Legendary Member
كلام في السياسة | من شباب الخميس إلى دولة الرئيس ...




جان عزيز



مؤسف أن يكون تمام سلام هو من دفع شركاءه في الوطن، إلى استخدام لغة الأقدام، آخر سبيل تركه لهم كي يعترضوا على محولة سحقهم. ومؤسف أكثر أن يكون هناك من أوحى إلى من حوله، باستقدام الجيش واستخدامه، بدلاً من سرية مقر رئاسة مجلس الوزراء، ليقمع مواطنيه. وذلك لغاية مكشوفة حتى الافتضاح. ومؤسف أكثر وأكثر، أن يخرج وسط تلك المأساة، بعضٌ ممن أصواتهم من رشح جيوبهم لا من بدع رؤوسهم، وممن تنضح كلماتهم بالنفط والوبر والرمل، ليمارسوا حرفة وصوليتهم بالكذب والتزلف والزور، على حساب دماء شباب الخميس وعرقهم وجهدهم ونضالهم وكراماتهم...

أما وقد مضت لحظة الشارع، وأما وقد خرجت أصوات حوارية تبحث في الأسباب والخلفيات، فلكل ذلك، آن أوان توجيه الأسئلة الصريحة والحقيقية والصادقة، إلى تمام سلام.
أولاً، تعلم لا شك يا سيد، لا بل تدرك تمام الإدراك، أنك أنت شخصياً، ومنذ لحظة 20 تشرين الثاني 2014، بت في موقع المرتكب مخالفة دستورية مشهودة. لأنه لحظة انقضاء جريمة التمديد الأول لمجلس النواب، الذي أنت عضو فيه، وعضو مرتكب جرم التمديد المذكور، ومنذ لحظة سريان مفاعيل جريمة التمديد الثاني، صرت أنت وحكومتك مخالفين للمادة 41 من الدستور. وذلك نتيجة عدم توجيهكما الدعوة إلى إجراء انتخابات فرعية لملء المقعد النيابي الشاغر في دائرة جزين. لماذا لم تفعل يا سيد؟ ولماذا تستمر أنت وحكومتك منذ أكثر من ثمانية أشهر في ارتكاب هذا الخرق الدستوري الموصوف والمتمادي؟ طبعاً ليست الحجة أمنية. فأنت تدرك ولا شك أن فرعية جزين ممكنة ومضمونة أمنياً أكثر من أي حدث يومي عادي يجري في البلاد. ولا علاقة للأمر بالرئيس نبيه بري إطلاقاً. فأنت وحكومتك، أيضاً، تدركان بأن الرجل أكبر وأرفع. وأن من يغرف من شرعية موسى الصدر الكيانية والميثاقية، لا ينتظر وفاة نائب عزيز، ليقتنص مقعداً هناك. أنت يا سيد، مُنعت من إجراء الانتخابات الفرعية في جزين، لسبب بسيط. حتى لا تأتي نتائجها تكريساً لزعامة ميشال عون المسيحية، في لحظة يجهد فيها من منعك، ويدفع ملايينه الموثقة، للقضاء على ميشال عون ولإنهاء دور المسيحيين... وأنت اكتفيت بالتنفيذ.
السؤال الثاني، لماذا أحجمت يا سيد، ومعك حكومتك، عن تعيين موظف عسكري وفق القانون، هو مدير عام جديد لقوى الأمن الداخلي، بعد شغور المركز واستمرار شغوره منذ 5 حزيران الماضي؟ ترى هل أنت أكثر حرصاً على حقوق الطائفة السنية من نجيب ميقاتي، الذي جاء بالملف إلى مجلس الوزراء في 21 آذار 2013 ؟ طبعاً لا. مع فارق أن ميقاتي احترم القوانين والأصول، على عكسك أنت. أم أنك تعتبر ابراهيم بصبوص أكثر شرعية سنية وأكثر أهلية مسلكية في هذا الموقع من أشرف ريفي، الذي عرف كيف يحفظ شرف المركز وكرامة رئيسه ومرؤوسيه، فذهب إلى بيته، بلا تمديد ولا تعقيد؟ قطعاً لا. لكنك يا سيد مُنعت هنا أيضاً من مقاربة المسألة بحسب القوانين. كان محظوراً عليك أن تعين بديلاً، أو حتى أن تترك المركز ليملأ بالأعلى رتبة، كما يقتضي القانون. تماماً كما حصل مع ميقاتي وريفي يومها. هل تعرف لماذا؟ لا علاقة للأمر بك ولا ببصبوص ولا بالمركز ولا بالمؤسسة. بكل بساطة، لأن أي إجراء من هذا النوع، أكان تعييناً أو تكليفاً، كان سيؤدي حتماً إلى اعتماده هو نفسه في قيادة الجيش بعد شهرين. ما يعني تطبيق القانون هناك أيضاً، وإحالة قائد الجيش إلى التقاعد. وهذا أمر ممنوع عليك يا سيد، ومحظور على كل حكومتك. لا حباً منكم بجان قهوجي. وتطاولكم عليه وتآمر بعض من تعرفه على جيشه حتى قتل أبطاله، يملآن مطولات. بل لأن من يأمركم بذلك، يريد أن يبقي قائد الجيش مرشحاً نظرياً وهمياً في وجه الزعيم المسيحي الأول، حتى يقضي على الاثنين ويتنصل من موجبات الشراكة المسيحية.
سؤال ثالث يا سيد، زارك طبعاً قبل أيام، نائب وزير الخارجية الأميركية لشؤون الطاقة، آموس هوكستين. وتحدث معك عن موضوع غاز لبنان. ترى، ماذا قلت له؟ بم أجبته عن تساؤلاته؟ ما هو السبب الذي منعك شخصياً من إقرار آخر توقيعين لازمين لإطلاق عملية التنقيب عن الغاز في لبنان؟ ما الذي جعلك منذ 2 نيسان 2014، أي منذ 15 شهراً، منذ تشكيلك لجنة وزارية مزعومة لدرس المرسومين العالقين، تمتنع عن دعوتها إلى اجتماع واحد، وتنتظر إلى ما لا نهاية بت قضية حيوية لكل مواطن لبناني؟ لماذا لا تصارح اللبنانيين: من يرفض أن يصير بلدهم دولة منتجة للغاز يا سيد؟ من يمنعنا من أن نسدد ديننا، وأن تزدهر صناعتنا وأن ينمو اقتصادنا وأن ترتاح ماليتنا وأن يجد شبابنا فرص عمل وأن نوقف نزف فلذاتنا؟ من يأمرك ويأمر حكومتك بحظر غازنا ومنع نفطنا، كي نظل نتسول مكرمات بلا كرامات؟
انتهت مساحة الكلام، ولم تنته الأسئلة. فهناك الكثير الكثير بعد. من قانون الانتخاب إلى الزواج المدني إلى اللامركزية إلى سواها مما يؤكد أن ثمة خطراً داعشياً يتهدد لبنان، ويتهدد كل مواطنيه. تزعجك تلك الكلمة؟ لا تتكل على من يتزلف إليك ويكذب ويخاتل. إتكل على صراحة شباب الخميس الماضي. فهم صدقوك القول، وسيكررون الصدق حتماً. في الزمن السوري البائس، والذي تعرفه جيداً، أرسيت قاعدة أن للمظلوم أن يقول ما يريد، فيما للظالم أن يفعل ما يريد. بعد عشرة أعوام، أنظر ماذا حصل لغازي ورستم وكل دولتهما... مع كل الاحترام الواجب يا دولة الرئيس.

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joseph_lubnan

Legendary Member
hehehe bazee2?
what is specifically "bazee2" in my description? :p
the reality? LoL :D
yes my dear z, l 7a2i2a btejra7, I know, bass we can't change the facts :)

Ya set Nayla you calleded me "empty people" ness fadiyeen... This is where you personal attacks and baze2a came from then you proceeded to claim that I am a follower so on and so forth. Character assassination and personal attacks are baze2a ya Nalya, that simple.
 

Nayla

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
Ya set Nayla you called me "empty people" ness fadiyeen... This is where you personal attacks and baze2a came from then you proceeded to claim that I am a follower so on and so forth. Character assassination and personal attacks are baze2a ya Nayla, that simple.

Oh my dear z!!
you felt aggressed because I said "fadyin"?
LoL, you're becoming very sensitive and very subjective :p
be positive my dear, maybe I meant "fadyin l ashghal", "fadyin mesh mashghoulin", w yemkin kamen I meant "fadyin bala mokh".. halla2 if you felt hurt and upset because you understood it as "fadyin bala mokh", hayde meshkeltak my dear!
kell wa7ad ta7t bato msalle bten3aro, ana shou khassne? :)

bass, ma fhemet what do you mean by Character assassination
enno, ma ykoun sa3d fassee7 w baleegh w moulemm bi fann l khatabe maTHalan w ana 3am shawwehlo sourto :D
 

WiseCookie

Well-Known Member
Give that advice to your friends in FM... not to attack Aoun, that is :)

I would but he really does make him and his son-in-law really do make themselves easy targets with all their antics. But in all seriousness, until the FPM pulls itself out of the Iranian-Syrian axis it's going to be a hard sell. Whether or not you think the FM supports extremists, as Sunnis they see the encroachment of Iran through HA in Lebanon and Syria as a threat and rightfully so.
 

WiseCookie

Well-Known Member
Really? You didn't shit La7oud when he was president? Or sleiman before he went to Saudi Arabia and came back 180 degree changed?

Or should I remind you of what you said about Patriarch Raii.

You're being so biased.

There's a difference between disagreeing publicly and engaging in a full on assault.
 

JB81

Legendary Member
There's a difference between disagreeing publicly and engaging in a full on assault.

True. Aoun disagreed many times with the President or the Patriarch, but he haven't crossed lines, unless you want to speak of Bkerki incident back in 1989. It is a much more complicated story than Aoun vs. Sfeir.

On other hand, it is you who disrespected president Lahoud as Hmedeh did, or did you forget 7amlet fel where you guys were about to storm the presidential palace and for the President of the republic out of Baabda palace? And if it wasn't of Patriarch Sfeir who stopped you from assaulting the President and told you that Baabda palace is a red line for Christians no matter how much Lebanese disagree. Wasn't that a full assault on the highest Christian post in the country?

How about calling the Patriarch a satanist? Is that also disagreeing publicly?

You see who publicly disagree and who have engaged in full assaults on Baabda palace or the famous yalla yalla 3a saraya because his wife told him so.
 
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WiseCookie

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True. Aoun disagreed many times with the President or the Patriarch, but he haven't crossed lines, unless you want to speak of Bkerki incident back in 1989. It is a much more complicated story than Aoun vs. Sfeir.

On other hand, it is you who disrespected president Lahoud as Hmedeh did, or did you forget 7amlet fel where you guys were about to storm the presidential palace if it wasn't of Patriarch Sfeir who told you that Baabda palace is a red line for Christians? Wasn't that a full assault on the highest Christian post in the country?

How about calling the Patriarch a satanist? Is that also disagreeing publicly?

Man... why does everything have devolve in LF vs. FPM between us. I'm not going to address your points, because it's almost an identical conversation every time.

I will say one thing. As much as I respect the seat of the president, Lahoud should have been removed by force, and I do not disagree with such tactics. He was an insult to the presidency and still is. He made us weaker and not stronger. It would have also set a precedent to any head of state that decides to deal with the devil against his people.
 

Amirkani

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
I would but he really does make him and his son-in-law really do make themselves easy targets with all their antics. But in all seriousness, until the FPM pulls itself out of the Iranian-Syrian axis it's going to be a hard sell. Whether or not you think the FM supports extremists, as Sunnis they see the encroachment of Iran through HA in Lebanon and Syria as a threat and rightfully so.
And until FM (Salam included) pulls itself out of the Saudi slavery, not just axis, it's going to be impossible not just a hard sell :)

And here you are vindicating FM and Salam while they openly admit taking orders from Saudi Arabia while at the same time issuing a final verdict on Aoun being part of the Iranian axis when he denies it categorically and you have zero evidence that he is.

You should listen to your elders :) who might know more than you do. Aoun supports HA's resistance and that's about it and this is the full extent to which his involvement in that axis can go or ever went. He takes no orders, like they do, neither from HA nor from Iran. Ask me, I know. If he did, and I am sure you know me, I would have been the first one to leave him.

I already said several times in the past year that I pushed him to seek and accept international support and he refused. He insists on taking a purely Lebanese path to reach his goals. The last time I pushed him and he refused was less than a month ago when everyone had written him off and mocking him that he had been castrated, out of options and totally cornered. Yet he still refused any international meddling even if in his favor.

Be fair... and rational in your judgment :)
 

JB81

Legendary Member
Man... why does everything have devolve in LF vs. FPM between us. I'm not going to address your points, because it's almost an identical conversation every time.

I will say one thing. As much as I respect the seat of the president, Lahoud should have been removed by force, and I do not disagree with such tactics. He was an insult to the presidency and still is. He made us weaker and not stronger. It would have also set a precedent to any head of state that decides to deal with the devil against his people.

I was just doing some clarifications and straightening up your false accusations against Aoun. I also see lots of hypocrisy in your posts. It is so bias.

What I understand from your last post that you adopt a full assault against the president... a thing you were trying to shame and frame Aoun with.
 
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WiseCookie

Well-Known Member
I was just doing some clarifications and straightening up your false accusations against Aoun.

What I understand from your last post that you adopt a full assault against the president... a thing you were trying to shame and frame Aoun with.

The difference is that Sleiman was not a crony. Sometimes it's not about the presidency but more about the president himself, as a person. Lahoud was a Syrian installed crony, and I don't think you can disagree with that. If this was a normal country Berri would have been removed from his seat as well.
 

JB81

Legendary Member
The difference is that Sleiman was not a crony. Sometimes it's not about the presidency but more about the president himself, as a person. Lahoud was a Syrian installed crony, and I don't think you can disagree with that. If this was a normal country Berri would have been removed from his seat as well.

This is your opinion. Some believe that Sleiman is a Saudi crony... but Aoun was not disrespectful like you who what?

You want to take Lahoud out of Baabda because he's Syrian? W ento shou? You're not Saudi cronies?

Who voted then extended for Lahoud? Wasn't the puppets who were slaves to Syria all that time? What makes them better than him?

However, let's go back to the point. It is you guys who goes full assaults against your opponents, not Aoun.

Than let's have a clear standard... is storming and going full assault against the president or Prime Minister permissible or not?

There should be no ifs, or justifyings. Either yes or no.
 

WiseCookie

Well-Known Member
And until FM (Salam included) pulls itself out of the Saudi slavery, not just axis, it's going to be impossible not just a hard sell :)

And here you are vindicating FM and Salam while they openly admit taking orders from Saudi Arabia while at the same time issuing a final verdict on Aoun being part of the Iranian axis when he denies it categorically and you have zero evidence that he is.

I'm not going to get into the FM thing, because I'm sure @Bandar has talked about this enough. I never claimed that Aoun was doing whatever the Iranians and Syrians wanted, but I do consider him a man that is blinded by his own ambition and has people following him blindly to boot. He's guilty by association, and the FPM as an organization is guilty of that as well. I have a lot more reason to believe that the FM are moderate than to believe an armed militia with a history of violence against the Lebanese, and a systemic movement to reclaim "Shiite land" is moderate.

You should listen to your elders :) who might know more than you do. Aoun supports HA's resistance and that's about it and this is the full extent to which his involvement in that axis can go or ever went. He takes no orders, like they do, neither from HA nor from Iran. Ask me, I know. If he did, and I am sure you know me, I would have been the first one to leave him.

I do apologize if I said/meant that, but that was not my intention. I'm sure from the previous paragraph you've seen what I meant, but I do consider Aoun as selfish person still.

I already said several times in the past year that I pushed him to seek and accept international support and he refused. He insists on taking a purely Lebanese path to reach his goals. The last time I pushed him and he refused was less than a month ago when everyone had written him off and mocking him that he had been castrated, out of options and totally cornered. Yet he still refused any international meddling even if in his favor.

Be fair... and rational in your judgment :)

If you're being honest then maybe if he becomes a little more pragmatic then he would be able to get where he wants. It's impossible to take a purely Lebanese position when we're more divided than we were in the war.
 
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