Why is pedophilia a mental disorder, but not homosexuality?

AtheistForJesus

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This is the argument the pedophile lobby is using in its bid to normalize pederasty.
"Pedophilia is the same as homosexuality", claims one activist.

Years after gays won the right to put their wieners inside each other's buns, it seems pedophiles are taking the same path
by using the same arguments that successfully convinced society to embrace homosexuality:
1-Pedophiles are born this way and cannot change.
2-Pederasty is natural and should not be classified as a mental disorder.
3-The claim that adult-child sexual relationships cause harm is greatly overstated.

Michael L. Brown, author of the book A Queer Thing Happened to America, wrote this in the Christian Post: “Some psychiatric leaders who were instrumental in removing homosexuality from the American Psychiatric Association’s list of mental disorders in 1973 have been fighting to remove pedophilia as a disorder as well, not to justify the abuse of children but rather to say that being sexually attracted to children is not a mental disorder”

There seems to be a movement in the West that aims to "mainstream" pedophilia.
Last year a TEDx speaker tried to normalize pedophilia by declaring that "pedophilia is a natural sexual orientation, just like heterosexuality"
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn4ok_W-7d4

Of course it's unfair to equate homosexuality with pederasty. The latter involves sexual relations with minors.
But from a psychological point of view, why is one considered natural, and the other a mental disorder?
They both fit the clinical definition of a paraphilia, in that they're both deviations from typical sexual behavior.
Why is pedophilia treatable, but not homosexuality?
 
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    Jorje

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    Seems like you have a lot of misconceptions in your mind.

    Pedophilia is not treatable and it is a sexual orientation.

    What makes something a disorder and what doesn't is very much subjective and related to social mores and norms. That's true for all disorders, psychiatric or otherwise. Any sexual contact with children or access to porn... etc is illegal by law which naturally makes the condition difficult to deal with.

    The bottom point is that pedophilia involves sexual behavior with individuals who are unable to gove consent, and that's the difference, a very, very, very, big one. This where all comparisons stop.

    You might as well have titled your thread why is pedophilia a disorder and not heterosexuality. Frankly your comparisons are ignorant and offensive to start with.
     
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    "3-The claim that adult-child sexual relationships cause harm is greatly overstated."


    Perhaps you're mistaken teenagers with small kids and babies? Most countries have the age of consent set at 14-16.

    Pedophiles are not attracted by teenagers, but small children. They are rapists whose pleasure comes from inflicting pain in defenseless beings.
     
    AtheistForJesus

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    "3-The claim that adult-child sexual relationships cause harm is greatly overstated."


    Perhaps you're mistaken teenagers with small kids and babies? Most countries have the age of consent set at 14-16.

    Pedophiles are not attracted by teenagers, but small children. They are rapists whose pleasure comes from inflicting pain in defenseless beings.
    Those aren't my words. That's the argument pedophiles are using to legalize their sexual deviance.
    I think you misunderstood the point of this thread.
     
    AtheistForJesus

    AtheistForJesus

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    You might as well have titled your thread why is pedophilia a disorder and not heterosexuality. Frankly your comparisons are ignorant and offensive to start with.
    Wrong analogy. Heterosexuality is the norm.
    Our sex organs are called "reproductive system" for a reason. They were designed for a specific purpose.
    It's homosexuality that deviates from the norm, because two men can't reproduce.

    The question isn't "Why is pedophilia illegal, but not homosexuality?"
    Same-sex relations should be legal because gays are not hurting anyone with their behavior. (they're only making Allah unhappy)

    The question is "Why is pedophilia a disorder, but not homosexuality"?
    Both are deviations from normal sexual behavior.

    Psychiatrists didn't declassify homosexuality as a disorder due to medical evidence.
    They did so under pressure from the gay lobby.
     
    Jorje

    Jorje

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    Wrong analogy. Heterosexuality is the norm.
    Our sex organs are called "reproductive system" for a reason. They were designed for a specific purpose.
    It's homosexuality that deviates from the norm, because two men can't reproduce.

    The question isn't "Why is pedophilia illegal, but not homosexuality?"
    Same-sex relations should be legal because gays are not hurting anyone with their behavior. (they're only making Allah unhappy)

    The question is "Why is pedophilia a disorder, but not homosexuality"?
    Both are deviations from normal sexual behavior.

    Psychiatrists didn't declassify homosexuality as a disorder due to medical evidence.
    They did so under pressure from the gay lobby.
    By that logic high IQ should also be a disorder since it deviates from the norm. Homosexuality isn't deviant more than fellatio or anal sex. It's Western/Christian values that looked at sex as solely a function to procreate with anything besides 10 second missionary sex as deviant. Biologically, reproductive organs exist for many other things besides making babies.. they include urination and sexual pleasure. By that logic masturbation would also be deviant since you aren't making babies (that was for a long time a prime religious belief).

    If you chose to indulge in self-hatred you're free to do so, but it's just your prerogative. It's based on nothing but that.

    Frankly I don't care if pedophilia is classified a disorder or not. The bottom point is that it's problematic behavior and classifying it as a disorder makes it easier for those with this orientation to seek help.

    The parallels with homosexuality are non-existent.
     
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    Seems like you have a lot of misconceptions in your mind.

    Pedophilia is not treatable and it is a sexual orientation.

    What makes something a disorder and what doesn't is very much subjective and related to social mores and norms. That's true for all disorders, psychiatric or otherwise. Any sexual contact with children or access to porn... etc is illegal by law which naturally makes the condition difficult to deal with.

    The bottom point is that pedophilia involves sexual behavior with individuals who are unable to gove consent, and that's the difference, a very, very, very, big one. This where all comparisons stop.

    You might as well have titled your thread why is pedophilia a disorder and not heterosexuality. Frankly your comparisons are ignorant and offensive to start with.
    By that logic high IQ should also be a disorder since it deviates from the norm. Homosexuality isn't deviant more than fellatio or anal sex. It's Western/Christian values that looked at sex as solely a function to procreate with anything besides 10 second missionary sex as deviant. Biologically, reproductive organs exist for many other things besides making babies.. they include urination and sexual pleasure. By that logic masturbation would also be deviant since you aren't making babies (that was for a long time a prime religious belief).

    If you chose to indulge in self-hatred you're free to do so, but it's just your prerogative. It's based on nothing but that.

    Frankly I don't care if pedophilia is classified a disorder or not. The bottom point is that it's problematic behavior and classifying it as a disorder makes it easier for those with this orientation to seek help.

    The parallels with homosexuality are non-existent.
    Why isn't homosexuality a disorder and pedophilia is? Relying on the 'consent' card is clearly insufficient and fallacious (leading to circular reasoning and/or is contradictory), because consent itself relies on something more fundamental than itself. One could consent on abusing a substance or on destructing themselves; by your fallacious reasoning, this behavior sh/couldn't be considered disorder.

    In other words, you still haven't successfully answered the OP question.
     
    Jorje

    Jorje

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    Why isn't homosexuality a disorder and pedophilia is? Relying on the 'consent' card is clearly insufficient and fallacious (leading to circular reasoning and/or is contradictory), because consent itself relies on something more fundamental than itself. One could consent on abusing a substance or on destructing themselves; by your fallacious reasoning, this behavior sh/couldn't be considered disorder.

    In other words, you still haven't successfully answered the OP question.
    I didn't say pedophilia is a disorder because it lacks consent. In fact, I clearly said I don't care if it is or isn't; what is classified as a disorder is inherently subjective and bound by social norms. thats a secondary question. Work on your comprehension skills and come back again.
     
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    I didn't say pedophilia is a disorder because it lacks consent. In fact, I clearly said I don't care if it is or isn't; what is classified as a disorder is inherently subjective and bound by social norms. thats a secondary question. Work on your comprehension skills and come back again.
    Didn't you say the crucial point that differentiates homosexuality from pedophilia in terms of which of the two is to be (or not to be) considered a disorder is consent?


    Moreover, answering (read: evading) by 'it's totally subjective' amounts to not answering at all (as long as an objective/scientific discussion is concerned), i.e. stating that your answer (whatever it might be) and its opposite are both equally valid.
     
    Libnene Qu7

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    Why isn't homosexuality a disorder and pedophilia is? Relying on the 'consent' card is clearly insufficient and fallacious (leading to circular reasoning and/or is contradictory), because consent itself relies on something more fundamental than itself. One could consent on abusing a substance or on destructing themselves; by your fallacious reasoning, this behavior sh/couldn't be considered disorder.

    In other words, you still haven't successfully answered the OP question.
    Of course consent is everything. Maybe this is why your likes are ok with rape and unwanted sexual advances by men against women.
     
    Libnene Qu7

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    Wrong analogy. Heterosexuality is the norm.
    Our sex organs are called "reproductive system" for a reason. They were designed for a specific purpose.
    It's homosexuality that deviates from the norm, because two men can't reproduce.

    The question isn't "Why is pedophilia illegal, but not homosexuality?"
    Same-sex relations should be legal because gays are not hurting anyone with their behavior. (they're only making Allah unhappy)

    The question is "Why is pedophilia a disorder, but not homosexuality"?
    Both are deviations from normal sexual behavior.

    Psychiatrists didn't declassify homosexuality as a disorder due to medical evidence.
    They did so under pressure from the gay lobby.
    Homosexuality is just as natural as heterosexuality. But one is more prevalent than the other. Being a minority does not mean unnatural.

    Homosexual behavior has been found in all animal species as well.
     
    AtheistForJesus

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    By that logic high IQ should also be a disorder since it deviates from the norm. Homosexuality isn't deviant more than fellatio or anal sex. It's Western/Christian values that looked at sex as solely a function to procreate with anything besides 10 second missionary sex as deviant. Biologically, reproductive organs exist for many other things besides making babies.. they include urination and sexual pleasure. By that logic masturbation would also be deviant since you aren't making babies (that was for a long time a prime religious belief).

    If you chose to indulge in self-hatred you're free to do so, but it's just your prerogative. It's based on nothing but that.

    Frankly I don't care if pedophilia is classified a disorder or not. The bottom point is that it's problematic behavior and classifying it as a disorder makes it easier for those with this orientation to seek help.

    The parallels with homosexuality are non-existent.
    The human IQ can reach 300. An IQ of 140 may be considered above average, but it's not abnormal.
    Sexuality doesn't have a range. There's heterosexuality. Everything else is a deviation from it.
    Sorry to be blunt, but the vagina was designed to accommodate a penis. It self-lubricates and makes babies unlike a man's posterior.

    Fellatio are anal sex are considered sex acts, not a sexual orientation.
    A man may incorporate oral sex into foreplay, but he's also capable of impregnating a woman should he desire to do so.
    A homosexual man by definition is someone who's not attracted to the other sex, not someone who indulges in anal sex.

    The continuation of species can be only guaranteed by heterosexuals.
    A world filled with nothing but homosexuals would not function normally.

    Forget about pedophilia. Take asexuality for instance.
    Many researchers consider asexuality a disorder, but none dares say the same about homosexuality.
    This is because the gay lobby is so strong it has slammed the door on research.
     
    Jorje

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    Didn't you say the crucial point that differentiates homosexuality from pedophilia in terms of which of the two is to be (or not to be) considered a disorder is consent?
    No I didn't. Read again.

    Moreover, answering (read: evading) by 'it's totally subjective' amounts to not answering at all (as long as an objective/scientific discussion is concerned), i.e. stating that your answer (whatever it might be) and its opposite are both equally valid.
    Sounds like sophistry.

    I'm fine with pedophilia being a disorder in the DSM or not. The advantage of being in the DSM is that it allows sufferers to seek help and it also allows clinicians to tailor ways that can help such individuals. The DSM isn't a manual for condemnation.

    What's undeniable is that pedopholoa violates consent and creates victims and thus will always be rightly prosecuted by the law. And thus it has no parallels with homosexuality.

    Do you still not understand. If not I don't think I can help you. English lessons might.
     
    AtheistForJesus

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    Homosexuality is just as natural as heterosexuality. But one is more prevalent than the other. Being a minority does not mean unnatural.

    Homosexual behavior has been found in all animal species as well.
    Pedophiles argue that pederasty is also found in animal species.
    Does that make it "natural"?

    Also, who said animals aren't prone to mental disorders?
    You probably haven't seen a mad cow.
     
    Libnene Qu7

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    Pedophiles argue that pederasty is also found in animal species.
    Does that make it "natural"?

    Also, who said animals aren't prone to mental disorders?
    You probably haven't seen a mad cow.
    Since animals care for their young for a very short period of time compared to humans, it doesn't much matter.

    What matters is that every scientific and psychological study has found and agreed that homosexuality is not a disease, and this was news back in the 1970's.
     
    Jorje

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    The human IQ can reach 300. An IQ of 140 may be considered above average, but it's not abnormal.
    Sexuality doesn't have a range. There's heterosexuality. Everything else is a deviation from it.
    Sorry to be blunt, but the vagina was designed to accommodate a penis. It self-lubricates and makes babies unlike a man's posterior.

    Fellatio are anal sex are considered sex acts, not a sexual orientation.
    A man may incorporate oral sex into foreplay, but he's also capable of impregnating a woman should he desire to do so.
    A homosexual man by definition is someone who's not attracted to the other sex, not someone who indulges in anal sex.

    The continuation of species can be only guaranteed by heterosexuals.
    A world filled with nothing but homosexuals would not function normally.

    Forget about pedophilia. Take asexuality for instance.
    Many researchers consider asexuality a disorder, but none dares say the same about homosexuality.
    This is because the gay lobby is so strong it has slammed the door on research.
    Seems like you have a horse to beat which is the "gay lobby".

    Homosexual men and women can make children. The world wouldn't disappear without heterosexuals. have you not heard of surrogacy?

    Sexuality and biological function are very complex and the vagina, like the penis, have an array of functions. One of them is sexual pleasure, and not merely procreation, which you seem to omit.

    For most of human history, humans celebrated sexuality in its various forms. Monotheistic religions, particularly Christianity, frown on any form of sexuality not in service of making babies. That is our cultural baggage. If you ask me, THAT is the deviance.

    Anyways good luck on your journey. Hopefully you don't wollow in self-hatred.
     
    AtheistForJesus

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    Since animals care for their young for a very short period of time compared to humans, it doesn't much matter.

    What matters is that every scientific and psychological study has found and agreed that homosexuality is not a disease, and this was news back in the 1970's.
    In 1973, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) asked all members attending its convention to vote on whether they believed homosexuality to be a mental disorder. 5,854 psychiatrists voted to remove homosexuality from the DSM, and 3,810 to retain it.
     
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