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Will Catalonia secede from Spain?

GrumpForTrump

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[article]The Economist explains why the referendum on Catalan independence is illegal

The decision over the future of Catalonia will ultimately be little more than an unofficial consultation.

The Catalan regional government of Carles Puigdemont is preparing to hold a unilateral referendum on seceding from Spain on October 1st, which it says will be legally binding. Catalans will be asked whether they want to form an independent republic. But there is a problem: Spain’s democratic constitution of 1978, which was approved by more than 90% of Catalan voters, gave wide autonomy to the regions but affirmed “the indissoluble unity of the Spanish nation”. Only the Spanish parliament can change the constitution. Mr Puigdemont’s referendum is therefore illegal, and Mariano Rajoy, Spain’s conservative prime minister, is determined to prevent it taking place.
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Why the referendum on Catalan independence is illegal
 
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gramsci

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[article]The Economist explains why the referendum on Catalan independence is illegal

The decision over the future of Catalonia will ultimately be little more than an unofficial consultation.

The Catalan regional government of Carles Puigdemont is preparing to hold a unilateral referendum on seceding from Spain on October 1st, which it says will be legally binding. Catalans will be asked whether they want to form an independent republic. But there is a problem: Spain’s democratic constitution of 1978, which was approved by more than 90% of Catalan voters, gave wide autonomy to the regions but affirmed “the indissoluble unity of the Spanish nation”. Only the Spanish parliament can change the constitution. Mr Puigdemont’s referendum is therefore illegal, and Mariano Rajoy, Spain’s conservative prime minister, is determined to prevent it taking place.
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Why the referendum on Catalan independence is illegal

BS ... so the brexit in england is illegal , and evry political action through referendum is illegal ...
do u guys know the the meaning of democratic process ?
 

GrumpForTrump

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BS ... so the brexit in england is illegal , and evry political action through referendum is illegal ...
do u guys know the the meaning of democratic process ?


No, the Brexit is legal. EU is a union that you can join and leave at will. The UK is a country, not a region governed by the EU.
 

GrumpForTrump

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Finland preparing to go against Spain and RECOGNISE Catalonia’s independence
FINLAND could be the first country to officially recognise Catalonia as a republic state, in a move that would put the Scandinavian country in direct opposition to the European Union (EU).
By JON ROGERS
 

Kizzeb2019

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Catalonia is not occupied. It's always been part of Spain.
If I were a leader and a bunch of rebels decided to secede for no reason, putting a country's economy at stake, I would do anything to prevent this.

In any case, they should hold a "No" referendum too. The silent majority doesn't want to secede.

Catalonia is moving to declare independence despite the fact the no-campaigners abstained from voting.

How is this not dictatorship?
How do you know that those who didn't vote are all part of the "no to independence" faction? based on what are u making this erroneous assumption? Many pro-independence citizens might have not voted for fear of the spanish government making trouble at the time of voting, some could be elderly, with disabilities, or below the voting age.
Besides, what prevented the "no" faction from voting? They were on the side of the spanish government and were far less likely to be jailed or harassed. if they had fears, why didn't the spanish government offer to protect them since u claim they are the silent majority? It could have completely destroyed the political arguments of the secessionists by proving most catalonians want to stay inside Spain.

The only thing that would undermine the referendum and question its usefulness is if the turnout was low. 43% isn't quite high, but it isn't so low as to question its legitimacy.
RT news reporter voted . Well it s weird that the turn out is only 43%
 

gramsci

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Finland preparing to go against Spain and RECOGNISE Catalonia’s independence
FINLAND could be the first country to officially recognise Catalonia as a republic state, in a move that would put the Scandinavian country in direct opposition to the European Union (EU).
By JON ROGERS
Many EU countries will .. Starting with slovenija .
 

gramsci

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Nah this independence won't see the light.
The spanish fascist govern will react supported by the burocrat mummies of EU ... And it will be an international case.. Just as they did in kosovo issue .. Karma is a *****


Our catalàn comerades did a heroic resistance those last weeks ... Already some delegations of solidariety left italy last night toward catalunia , and many others are coming from various european countries..
 
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GrumpForTrump

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The spanish fascist govern will react supported by the burocrat mummies of EU ... And it will be an international case.. Just as they did in kosovo issue .. Karma is a *****


Our catalàn comerades did a heroic resistance those last weeks ... Already some delegations of solidariety left italy last night toward catalunia , and many others are coming from various european countries..

Your communist comerades are anarchists who don't like to play by the rules.

I explained above why the referendum is completely illegal.

[article]Spain’s democratic constitution of 1978, which was approved by more than 90% of Catalan voters, gave wide autonomy to the regions but affirmed “the indissoluble unity of the Spanish nation”. Only the Spanish parliament can change the constitution. Mr Puigdemont’s referendum is therefore illegal.[/article]
 

gramsci

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Your communist comerades are anarchists who don't like to play by the rules.

I explained above why the referendum is completely illegal.

[article]Spain’s democratic constitution of 1978, which was approved by more than 90% of Catalan voters, gave wide autonomy to the regions but affirmed “the indissoluble unity of the Spanish nation”. Only the Spanish parliament can change the constitution. Mr Puigdemont’s referendum is therefore illegal.[/article]
U know nothing jon snow..
Non si può dire tutto ma fidati che è una cosa abbastanza seria !
 

The Bidenator

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I suspect Spain will fire all elected leadership and police/security services of Catalonia, take over the region's finances etc, and send its own military to restore order. I highly doubtful Catalonia is prepared to fight for their independence -- heck, I'm not even sure they have the capability. And if they don't fight, they are not truly independent.
 
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