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Would the World be a better place if the US Empire ruled it without opposition?

Would the World be a better place if the US Empire ruled it without opposition?


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Never ceases to amaze how the followers of meek and mild Jesus find a way to justify the use of nuclear weapons on civilians.
It never fails. Every time I read an intolerant and cruel comment here I look at the name or Avatar and sure enough it is wrapped with religious flair.
I pity those who show up on a public forum wearing religion on their sleeve. It’s a sense of insecurity, if they can’t display or bring up their faith they have nothing else in their life to talk about.
 
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    ‘We lied, we cheated, we stole’: Pompeo offers honest, if disturbing admission about CIA activity

    ‘We lied, we cheated, we stole’: Pompeo offers honest, if disturbing admission about CIA activity


    In a rare moment of honesty, Mike Pompeo admitted to an audience that the CIA trains employees to “lie, cheat and steal.” While he seemed to find the whole thing funny, not everyone is amused, as RT found out.
    The CIA often asks American citizens and international leaders to believe some extraordinarily high-stakes claims. From warning countries around the world not to invest in Huawei technology ‘compromised’ by Chinese state security funding to asserting that Moscow meddled in the elections and pushing Trump to expel Russian diplomats, it would seem that maintaining integrity and confidence would be a high priority for the intelligence agency.
    According to former CIA director and current Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, however, that notion is laughable.
    I was a CIA director, we lied, we cheated we stole… like, we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment,” Pompeo told an audience in College Station, Texas earlier this month amid self-amused chuckles.
    While his audience seemed to get a rise out of the secretary’s comment, RT interviewed a few Americans who found it less funny and more disturbing. Predictably, that sentiment was shared by people from other parts of the world as well, who saw Pompeo’s claims about the “glorious American experiment” as little more than “bulls**t.”
     
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    ‘We lied, we cheated, we stole’: Pompeo offers honest, if disturbing admission about CIA activity

    ‘We lied, we cheated, we stole’: Pompeo offers honest, if disturbing admission about CIA activity


    In a rare moment of honesty, Mike Pompeo admitted to an audience that the CIA trains employees to “lie, cheat and steal.” While he seemed to find the whole thing funny, not everyone is amused, as RT found out.
    The CIA often asks American citizens and international leaders to believe some extraordinarily high-stakes claims. From warning countries around the world not to invest in Huawei technology ‘compromised’ by Chinese state security funding to asserting that Moscow meddled in the elections and pushing Trump to expel Russian diplomats, it would seem that maintaining integrity and confidence would be a high priority for the intelligence agency.
    According to former CIA director and current Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, however, that notion is laughable.
    I was a CIA director, we lied, we cheated we stole… like, we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment,” Pompeo told an audience in College Station, Texas earlier this month amid self-amused chuckles.
    While his audience seemed to get a rise out of the secretary’s comment, RT interviewed a few Americans who found it less funny and more disturbing. Predictably, that sentiment was shared by people from other parts of the world as well, who saw Pompeo’s claims about the “glorious American experiment” as little more than “bulls**t.”
    "In a rare moment of honesty, Mike Pompeo admitted to an audience that the CIA trains employees to “lie, cheat and steal.” "

    Big deal - Polichinelle secret.
    That's what all these OSSes to, genius, it's they standard modus operandi.
     
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    Do you sometimes lend one of the Zionist pigs on the forum your password?

    What was the state of Iran under the shah? Exploited by the US and starving or not?
    Seeing what Iran has regressed into today, after being one of the cultural hotspots of the world pre 1979, makes me think the Shah had a reason to oppress his jarab people.
     
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    Seeing what Iran has regressed into today, after being one of the cultural hotspots of the world pre 1979, makes me think the Shah had a reason to oppress his jarab people.
    It is very regrettable to see you justify oppressing people no matter what the reason is.
    And here again, you're grabbing the story by its tail end.
    Iran's turmoil didn't start when the Shah was deposed. It started when its democratically elected leader in a secular government (NOT ISLAMIC) Mohamed Mosadeq was overthrown by the CIA for trying to protect his country's oil wealth from the Brits and Americans as he had promised his people during his election campaign.
    If you don't know history, please research it and learn but not from Western Fake News.
    ( I'm sorry to say it is disturbing to find out veterans like you on this forum completely oblivious to simple facts like this one)

    How The CIA Overthrew Iran's Democracy In 4 Days

    On Aug. 19, 2013, the CIA publicly admitted for the first time its involvement in the 1953 coup against Iran's elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh.



    1952: Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh.

    The documents provided details of the CIA's plan at the time, which was led by senior officer Kermit Roosevelt Jr., the grandson of U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt. Over the course of four days in August 1953, Roosevelt would orchestrate not one, but two attempts to destabilize the government of Iran, forever changing the relationship between the country and the U.S. In this episode, we go back to retrace what happened in the inaugural episode of NPR's new history podcast, Throughline.
    Mohammad Mossadegh was a beloved figure in Iran. During his tenure, he introduced a range of social and economic policies, the most significant being the nationalization of the Iranian oil industry. Great Britain had controlled Iran's oil for decades through the Anglo-Iranian Oil Co. After months of talks the prime minister broke off negotiations and denied the British any further involvement in Iran's oil industry. Britain then appealed to the United States for help, which eventually led the CIA to orchestrate the overthrow of Mossadegh and restore power to Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, the last Shah of Iran.
    According to Stephen Kinzer, author of the book All the Shah's Men, Roosevelt quickly seized control of the Iranian press by buying them off with bribes and circulating anti-Mossadegh propaganda. He recruited allies among the Islamic clergy, and he convinced the shah that Mossadegh was a threat. The last step entailed a dramatic attempt to apprehend Mossadegh at his house in the middle of the night. But the coup failed. Mossadegh learned of it and fought back. The next morning, he announced victory over the radio.
    Mossadegh thought he was in the clear, but Roosevelt hadn't given up. He orchestrated a second coup, which succeeded. Mossadegh was placed on trial and spent his life under house arrest. The shah returned to power and ruled for another 25 years until the 1979 Iranian Revolution. The 1953 coup was later invoked by students and the political class in Iran as a justification for overthrowing the shah.

     
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    The US should double down on Iran sanctions until Iran retreats within its borders.
     
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    "In a rare moment of honesty, Mike Pompeo admitted to an audience that the CIA trains employees to “lie, cheat and steal.” "

    Big deal - Polichinelle secret.
    That's what all these OSSes to, genius, it's they standard modus operandi.
    You and Trump have something in common that I sincerely appreciate: Unlike Obama/Hillary, You and Trump are damn arrogant but honest!
    I can give you that!!!
     
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    It is very regrettable to see you justify oppressing people no matter what the reason is.
    And here again, you're grabbing the story by its tail end.
    Iran's turmoil didn't start when the Shah was deposed. It started when its democratically elected leader in a secular government (NOT ISLAMIC) Mohamed Mosadeq was overthrown by the CIA for trying to protect his country's oil wealth from the Brits and Americans as he had promised his people during his election campaign.
    If you don't know history, please research it and learn but not from Western Fake News.
    ( I'm sorry to say it is disturbing to find out veterans like you on this forum completely oblivious to simple facts like this one)

    How The CIA Overthrew Iran's Democracy In 4 Days

    On Aug. 19, 2013, the CIA publicly admitted for the first time its involvement in the 1953 coup against Iran's elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh.



    1952: Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh.

    The documents provided details of the CIA's plan at the time, which was led by senior officer Kermit Roosevelt Jr., the grandson of U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt. Over the course of four days in August 1953, Roosevelt would orchestrate not one, but two attempts to destabilize the government of Iran, forever changing the relationship between the country and the U.S. In this episode, we go back to retrace what happened in the inaugural episode of NPR's new history podcast, Throughline.
    Mohammad Mossadegh was a beloved figure in Iran. During his tenure, he introduced a range of social and economic policies, the most significant being the nationalization of the Iranian oil industry. Great Britain had controlled Iran's oil for decades through the Anglo-Iranian Oil Co. After months of talks the prime minister broke off negotiations and denied the British any further involvement in Iran's oil industry. Britain then appealed to the United States for help, which eventually led the CIA to orchestrate the overthrow of Mossadegh and restore power to Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, the last Shah of Iran.
    According to Stephen Kinzer, author of the book All the Shah's Men, Roosevelt quickly seized control of the Iranian press by buying them off with bribes and circulating anti-Mossadegh propaganda. He recruited allies among the Islamic clergy, and he convinced the shah that Mossadegh was a threat. The last step entailed a dramatic attempt to apprehend Mossadegh at his house in the middle of the night. But the coup failed. Mossadegh learned of it and fought back. The next morning, he announced victory over the radio.
    Mossadegh thought he was in the clear, but Roosevelt hadn't given up. He orchestrated a second coup, which succeeded. Mossadegh was placed on trial and spent his life under house arrest. The shah returned to power and ruled for another 25 years until the 1979 Iranian Revolution. The 1953 coup was later invoked by students and the political class in Iran as a justification for overthrowing the shah.


    They feared a communist takeover in Iran. I salute the US and UK for their role in fighting communist governments.
     
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    As horrible as Hiroshima and Nagasaki were, let's not forget that Japan attacked America first, at Pearl Harbour. And the reason they did that was because America was against the Japanese ambition to take over China (a period during which the Japanese committed atrocities like the Nanking massacre).

    The Americans got involved in Vietnam to stop the soviets / communists from taking over Asia.

    The Americans funded the Taliban in response to the soviet takeover of Afghanistan.

    The Americans got involved in South America to stop the spread of communism on that continent.

    They might not have used the best methods (something we can say in hindsight, but that could not be predicted at the time) but their intentions were not bad. Let's not forget that communism killed tens of millions of people and rendered the lives of the survivors miserable. Communism killed more people than nazism, and the Americans were right to fight against it, just like they were right when they saved Europe from the nazis, even if their methods were not always wisely chosen.

    That being said, no human made system can ever be perfect, because humans are not perfect. Those who promote, or believe in, the idea that utopia is possible in this world are liars or fools.

    But within the political systems that are available to us, Western democracy is far superior to islamic theocracy and communism.

    Anyone looking for more should look away from human made systems and, instead, look towards God.
    Whatever the US did, the Soviets did as much, and worse. Ask anyone in Eastern Europe what they think of Russia, and everyone will tell you they can't stand it.

    Frankly Convergence's opinion is worth dirt anyways.
     
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    Whatever the US did, the Soviets did as much, and worse. Ask anyone in Eastern Europe what they think of Russia, and everyone will tell you they can't stand it.
    Could it be because they hated the fact that the Russians reversed the Nazis victories in Siberia that initiated the end of the war that saved your Jewish ass from Hitler and that's how grateful you are to your savior.
    You really think dropping the bomb in Hiroshima and Nagasaki Japan, ended the war in Europe. You're smart and cute aren't you?
     
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    Could it be because they hated the fact that the Russians reversed the Nazis victories in Siberia that initiated the end of the war that saved your Jewish ass from Hitler and that's how grateful you are to your savior.
    You really think dropping the bomb in Hiroshima and Nagasaki Japan, ended the war in Europe. You're smart and cute aren't you?
    The US dropped leaflets and warned Japanese citizens but they wouldn't surrender.
     
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    The US dropped leaflets and warned Japanese citizens but they wouldn't surrender.
    The Japanese were trying to surrender 3 months before the bomb... If you care about the truth, it is available. If you have personal issues, I understand. Stop wasting my time.
    Watch this and learn.
     
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